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Catwoman #23

 
 
FinderWolf
13:23 / 25.09.03
Another great issue by Brubaker and Cameron Stewart - although starting last issue, someone else does layouts for Cameron. But Cameron, there seems to be a mistake in the final page - Selina is talking to Slam on the phone, but when we see him, he's drawn like Bobo! Any story behind this?

Very fun bit about Selina saying she's got a friend in Gotham Bobo should hang out with - Bobo and Slam are two peas in a pod!

Now, I heard everyone say that the Batman/Catwoman relationship started in Loeb & Lee's HUSH will continue, but it seems like it won't continue give the final issue of HUSH. Any comments on this? Or just a 'there will be ramifications, wait and see'? I would have liked to see Bats & Cats stick together for a while longer...
 
 
CameronStewart
16:18 / 25.09.03
Yeah, due to scheduling problems (i.e. when I pencil and ink I am too goddamn slow for the monthly grind) I asked for someone to do layouts for my final couple of issues. I really had to fire through the finishes, too, so unfortunately it's not my best work.

The Bobo/Slam error was my fault - I drew that page in a panic to meet the deadline that afternoon, and I wasn't paying attention. Mea culpa. It's a stupid error and I wish I hadn't done it, but at least it's only one panel and the dialogue indicates that it's meant to be Slam. Doh.

Glad you enjoyed it, I'm off the book now and working on my next thing.
 
 
FinderWolf
17:57 / 25.09.03
I think the finishes look good on this issue and the last one, Cameron --

Also, I notice that in addition your mystery next project which we all hope is Grant's SEAGUY, you're doing a story on a Joss Whedon & other Buffy/Angel writers TALES OF THE VAMPIRES (saw it in PREVIEWS yesterday). Cool deal!

How much did you LOVE the Batman/Slam argument/fight scene last issue? I think that's one of the best things Brubaker has ever written.
 
 
dlotemp
00:15 / 26.09.03
I'd also like to note that Cameron's impeccable pencils can be found in the SCOOBY-DOO comic giveaway from BURGER KING. My son received a copy of the book and imagine my surprise seeing Cameron's credit. Looked like a fun job, Cameron.

Did they pay in Scooby-Snacks?
 
 
CameronStewart
05:09 / 26.09.03
Arg!

I did that Scooby thing years ago, it was one of my very first jobs in comics. It's dreadful.

On the positive side, when Burger King bought up all the cartoon books to reprint and use as giveaways, I got a hefty cheque for doing nothing! Nice!
 
 
bigsunnydavros
09:38 / 26.09.03
Congratulations on the 'Seaguy' gig Cameron--Morrison mentions the fact that you're the artist on the project in this new Comic Book Resources interview:

"I have three new 'creator' projects already underway and due for release early 2004 - 'creator' meaning that the artist and writer own the damn thing and it's a totally new story, not some old superhero reheat of what your dad was reading while the thought of you boiled in his testes - 'Vimanarama!' with Philip Bond. 'We3' with Frank Quitely and 'Seaguy' with Cameron Stewart will all be out next year. These books all written and I'm already prepping loads more new stuff for next year.”

Can't wait to see it.
 
 
Sebastian
12:29 / 26.09.03
I love this title and admire Brubaker's writing, the panneling, the story telling and pacing, not to mention the visual look of the book which makes for an intensely pleasurable and engaging read. But I am lagged since I am only buying the TPBs (only one so far), and just browsing at the store the individual issues.

Just by itself, the first TPB was enough for me to go see again in video "Farewell My Lovely" with R.Mitchum and C. Rampling, and I even started reading the R.Chandler novel also. Thanks guys!

Maybe they'll ask Cam to change that panel for the TPB, who knows. I know the 2nd TP is comming in December. I like Gulacy also, jumping soon to the title, but it was just the book to have the writing so lovely coupled to the distinctive and vergingly iconic visuals.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:43 / 08.04.04
Is anyone other than me still getting this? I remember Persephone and Moriarty saying they were dropping it after Cameron left, and I'm beginning to think that I should have followed their lead.

Because the current art is awful. Fucking awful. Ugly like Chris Weston drawing with his eyes closed and a pencil shoved up his nose. The pages packed with tiny panels that popped up in Cameron's layouts and gave a real feeling of motion to all the action sequences? Gone. The beautifully simple colouring? Gone, replaced by purple neon. Every recent issue has had Selina naked in the darkness, her body looking like a greasy thirteen year-old's sweatiest wank fantasy, baby-lotioned up and entirely out of proportion.

And faces... Jebus wept, but Gulacy can't draw faces for toffee. Apart from Slam.

Ah, Slam. I think I missed the issue where Brubaker explained how he morphed into Robert Mitchum. Seriously, wtf? It's one of the most annoying things I've ever seen in a comic book - even though this is shitty art, for the most part it's at least consistent shitty art - faces with eyes all over the shop, water on the brain heads swelling up to twice their original size in the space of two panels... You get kind of used to it and then all of a sudden Philip Marlowe's staring out of the page at you. And what's even worse is that you can tell those panels which have been nicked wholesale from photo references and those that have obviously been knocked up on the spot.

In fact, the only book I've picked up recently with art worse than this was NXM 155, and that was only because I forgot to cancel the order.

Does anyone know how long the current art team are in place on this title? If it's only for a few more issues I'll keep getting it in hope of brighter days ahead, but if they're here for the foreseeable future I'm going to drop it tomorrow.

Perseph and Moriarty are probably sending me "I told you so" vibes down the 'phone lines right now.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:51 / 08.04.04
I gave this book a few issues after Cameron left - I think I lasted 2, maybe 3 issues before I realized I couldn't stomach Gulacy's art. The guy used to be pretty good, now he's awful. Slam's face always looks horrible and distorted. Every criticism you have about the book is true. Part of me even thinks the story is weaker and slower now that Cameron's gone, but I can't tell if that's the shitty art distorting my perceptions of the story (which happens sometimes when you've got really bad art).

It's been like 3 issues of Zeiss being scary & threatening. I still flip through it in the store and speed-read it, but I haven't paid money for CATWOMAN in months. They gotta get rid of Gulacy. I wonder if the sales have droppped...
 
 
CameronStewart
15:18 / 08.04.04
Actually, Slam was always meant to be based on Mitchum - I know that he was one of the inspirations for Darwyn Cooke's redesign of the character (which I followed), and if you look at Javier Pulido's drawings he's definitely recognizable as Ol' Stony Face.

The difference is that we were doing a more cartooned, stylized version, whereas Gulacy is doing a more literal, photo-reffed version.

Different strokes for different folks...
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:15 / 08.04.04
Yeah, but surely "based on" is the important part of that statement? Readers are capable of getting the 'weathered, hard-drinking PI' bit without having it forced down their throats in every. single. panel.

My main complaint about that particular current problem is that it jars so badly with the rest of the art in the book. It's like if Ray Winstone took over the part of Phil Mitchell in Eastenders: you know where the inspiration's come from, but the sudden appearance of a face that's so well-known in the middle of a universe that you also know, but is of a completely different nature, constantly pulls you out of the fictional reality that the writer's built up and screams the words "THIS ISN'T REAL" into your face.

The other main difference that causes Gulacy's Slam to be so annoying is that when you and Pulido drew him - and I need to say here that Pulido's three issues were absolutely bloody beautiful - he was obviously part of the same design scheme as the rest of the characters. The same amount of care and attention had been put into depicting all of them, when two or more occupied the same page or panel they all felt like they were in the same universe and none pulled attention away from any of the others. Whereas with Gulacy, he seems to have spent five seconds sketching out Selina, Holly or whoever, failing to get any of their features in proportion to each other, and half an hour making sure that Slam's eyebrows to look exactly as Mitchum's do in whichever reference he's used. There's a horrible cardboard cut-out hyper-reality sort of thing going on with Slam that pulls every scene he's in apart at the seams.

Also, your Slam didn't look like he was suffering from narcolepsy and your Selina didn't have anti-gravity ski-slope enormo-boobs.

FinderWolf> I'm with you on the feeling that the story's going nowhere now. To be fair, I think the writing is also at fault here - other than the ongoing thing with the cat statue, all the plot elements seem to be exactly the same as the last major arc. Selina puts people in danger by not thinking things through. Slam ends up in hospital. Selina gets told off by friends, throws a moody, but secretly knows that they're right. Selina makes efforts to refocus. Selina and Slam have big argument. Slam regrets big argument.
 
  
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