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Muse: Absolution

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
13:08 / 09.01.06
Yeah, I wouldn't really post something like my first post in this thead these days... I've grown as a person.
 
 
Sniv
15:52 / 09.01.06
hmmm, I really wish you could tell through text if people are laughing when they're typing... (<-like I am here, btw)
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
03:43 / 10.01.06
I liked the few Muse songs I had heard until I saw the video for "Time Is Running Out". Now I can't listen to them without seeing that crappy video, thank you very much MTV.
 
 
sophists
15:49 / 30.06.06
I can't believe there are so many people that think that Muse is an "untalented" band. When I went to their show, I was blown away. When I hear songs like "New Born" and "Stockholm Syndrome", I can't help but to rock out. The lead singer has incredible range and has been voted one of the best guitarists in the world. And he's a pretty good piano player as well. I don't see how anyone could say that these guys don't have talent.
 
 
Jake, Colossus of Clout
20:39 / 30.06.06
The lead singer has incredible range and has been voted one of the best guitarists in the world.

Who was voting?
 
 
The Falcon
21:47 / 30.06.06
They don't have the talent to write songs I find remotely likeable.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:52 / 30.06.06
The new single is an interesting change in direction, though, and by far the best thing by them I've ever heard. Not sure whether it quite succeeds, but at least it's trying to do something good (sleazy glam electro rock).
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
10:34 / 01.07.06
In fact, you can listen to the whole album here, a lot of which is fairly bog-standard fare, but there are a couple of stand-out tracks, one of which is the power-metal-esque "Knights of Cydonia", which is the most joyous thing I've heard them do. I think my problem with Muse is that although their supposed modus operandi (overblown operatic space-rock) appeals to me, the execution is frankly dire in a lot of cases - I simply can't listen to Bellamy wailing over a great mushy wodgy in which I can't discern any kind of harmonic structure. However, when they go for a more rhythmic sound and cut out the great washes of sound that get in the way of actual playing, I think they're really rather fun - to whit, Hyper Music, Thoughts of a Dying Atheist, Supermassive Black Hole as opposed to the mushy nonsense that is much of Absolution, for example. I think the problem is that they're very capable of making fun music (and you certainly don't write a track entitled "Knights of Cydonia" without some self-mockery, surely) so it's all the more depressing when they don't. The other thing that's always appealed to me is that a lot of the content of the lyrics exists in a bizarre Cold-War world of espionage and informed by theoretical physics. There's angst in "Rule By Secrecy", certainly, but it's that of a secret agent for a global conspiracy whose very family don't know his true profession. In other words, the fun kind. I'm really unsure how anyone could, for example, take "Supermassive Black Hole" particularly at face value - it's Hawkwind meets Jamairoquai meets Queen. In space. And all the better for it.
 
 
_Boboss
09:53 / 03.07.06
this band's crap. they sound like radiohead.
 
 
guy who got a headache and accidentally saves the world
17:31 / 03.07.06
Just passing through after being away a couple of years and found this thread. Haven't heard the new album yet, but..

"Yeah, I wouldn't really post something like my first post in this thead these days... I've grown as a person"

'Cheers' Flyboy..
 
 
The Strobe
22:22 / 03.07.06
I tried not hating Muse, but they constantly disappear up their own arses. Knights of Cydonia got airplay this week - think it's their next single. Terrifying in its sheer prog-rock-ness; I expected to be garotted by a cape at any second. I can see why some people liked their earlier stuff, and why they put up with Matt Bellamy's contorted screeching and confuse it for "excellent range", or his reasonably good guitar playing, which is reasonably good.

I think Withiel's point about rhythm is good - they're much better when they have something tight and staccato; when they disappear into drones and wailing, it all goes wrong. Knights of Cydonia is the drones and wailing turned to eleven, with less self-mockery than you'd think.

Still, not really sure why they're quite so big. With each album, the progressive-space-rock becomes more and more obvious, and still people buy it.
 
 
foolish fat finger
22:30 / 03.07.06
quiz question from the mark radcliffe afternoon radio show-

Mark radcliffe- quote from Matt Bellamy " I can't decide if I want to destroy myself, or destroy society" If Matt Bellamy decided he did actually want to destroy society, exactly how much effect would he have?

contestant- absolutely none

Mark Radcliffe- is the correct answer!
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
18:45 / 24.07.06
Hm. I think the overblown, glossy retro-space-prog is one of the reasons why a lot of people (myself included) enjoy Muse in the first place. I just wish they'd do it with slightly tighter production. But then again, I would ideally have every album produced by Andy Gill. Furthermore, I have just seen the Knights of Cydonia video (small wmv link), which has crystallised a lot of my thinking about Muse. The video...is pure joycore. It's a 70s pastiche sci-fi-kung-fu-western, set on Mars, with Battlestar Galactica references and crap barfighting, wrapped up into six minutes. With gurning. And the mouthed dialogue clearly matches up to the lyrics. AND THERE IS A UNICORN.
This is the Muse I really like - self-mocking bombastic proggies in their own bizarre timewarp of mid-to-late 20th Century culture. Also, the track itself takes the waily excess of earlier Muse, pares it right down, and nails it to something more like a power-metal backbeat, and you can actually hear all the parts going on. The horse's hooves sound at the beginning phasing directly into the drumbeat. Bellamy on much lower-pitched vocals and tighter harmonies, and looser drums making the whole thing seems a lot less strained than it usually does. Lovely bouncy bass, overblown repeated declarations of freedom, big, meaty guitars and restrained backing vocals. I ask you: What's not to love?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:06 / 24.07.06
Great video, but the weakest thing about it by some distance is the song, which sound a bit like the Mega City 4. Still, lots of people have jobs they don't like, and if you can get a bit of a laugh out of the working day more power to you, eh?
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
21:49 / 24.07.06
I will admit to a certain bias caused by the pure joy of the video, and I am perhaps too easily associating the intent of the band with the tone of their promotional material, but I would be hard-pressed even in the depths of cynicism to call Knights of Cydonia "weak"...care to elaborate on what qualities make it so, Haus?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:53 / 24.07.06
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
23:26 / 24.07.06
Thanks for that, Flyboy. You're a great help.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:57 / 25.07.06
Of course, withiel. What I said was:

Great video, but the weakest thing about it by some distance is the song, which sound a bit like the Mega City 4.

That is, the song was the least impressive thing about the video, which I thought was very good. The video has predisposed me to think far better of Muse the band, because they appear to have a far better sense of humour than I thought - much as Razorlight's brief apppearance on the Mighty Boosh or Chris Martin's generally good-humoured interviews. However, this does not mean that the song does not sound like Mega City 4. Toe-tapping, perfectly apt for the video, but it felt like a soundtrack, not a song.
 
 
Withiel: DALI'S ROTTWEILER
08:35 / 25.07.06
Ah, that makes a good deal more sense now I realise Mega City 4 were in fact a band rather than a minor urban centre in the Cursed Earth. Chalk that one up to sleep deprivation, I think. I think I don't perceive it as merely a soundtrack to the video because I've heard it a number of times in isolation beforehand, by Nefarious Means, so ymmv. However, as a stylistic confection, I find it very interesting indeed - I would go so far as to argue that, lengthy (prog-signifying) intro aside, Knights of Cydonia is a rather fun pop song, and its use of the very, very fast compound time beat seems lifted straight from Euro-metal (admittedly a particular interest of mine). Apart from anything else, I'd be very interested to see whether a prog aesthetic and a pop aesthetic can be reconciled in some way.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
09:41 / 25.07.06
I don't think Muse are prog ENOUGH.

If all their gigs happened in ruined castles or on ice, if their songs were longer, if they used mellotron on everything, if they had enormous beards and loon pants that smelt of dogs and patchouli, if they had a carpet roadie, if they toured each in a seperate zeppelin, if they started performing bombastic versions of classical music anthems, if one of them had a bald patch but with lank, spidery long hair growing around it, THEN, and only then, could we start talking.

As it is they're an indie band with Yngwie Malmsteen on guitar. Their front covers are pretty prog though.
 
 
Essential Dazzler
09:45 / 26.07.06
My first reaction to Supermassive Black-Hole was a luke-warm one, but I knew that a few listens would be enough for me to grow to love it, and a few more listens would lead to me being dissapointed that Muse didn't have the balls to fill a whole album with songs like it.

As a Muse fan (*is ashamed*) I reckon it's a decent CD, but anyone buying it on the strength of SMBH will be utterly fecked off. Which is a shame, as it's without a doubt the best song they've ever put out.
 
 
grant
13:11 / 26.07.06
felt like a soundtrack, not a song.

Actually, what I liked about the track I listened to, then stuck in the "what is this?" thread was that it sounded like a soundtrack. Knights of Cydonia. I don't see how it could have any other appeal than as some kind of notional soundtrack, like Blue Oyster Cult.

I mean, I don't see how *lots* of things could have appeal, period, but in this case, that's what I hear.

Loses it all when the vocals come in, although that Queen-esque bridge is pretty fun.

Radiohead + Joe Satriani/Queen (Flash Gordon-era).

They definitely need to be performing in capes.
 
 
Alex's Grandma
14:25 / 24.06.07
God, I love them. More than anything else in this whole world. They seem to be the only source of joy and colour in my otherwise grey little life.
 
  

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