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Suggestion One - Displaying users' login names...

 
  

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Tom Coates
13:50 / 19.09.03
After considering this for quite some time, I'm coming to the conclusion that people need to have better markers for who a user is, even when they switch identity. So I'm thinking of putting people's login names in as a title tag when you hover over a display name, so that people can't so easily switch names. I'm almost coming to the point where I'm considering restricting people's display names to something short and unchangeable, but I'm not quite there yet. Thoughts?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:58 / 19.09.03
I think that's an extremely good idea.
 
 
The Strobe
14:00 / 19.09.03
Something like username and member number might be good. Limiting length might induce disappointment in some people, but some form of cap might be good - I personally find anything more than about three words (or three lines) of suit name a bit annyoing. There and again, I think there needs to be some flexibility in suit name, and that to entirely limit them suggests that part of the original ideals of Barbelith might ahve been compromised.

Just as long as there aren't going to be LJ-style emoticons... "I'm feeling... sarky".
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:01 / 19.09.03
Might it not be the case that displaying login names would be a security risk? It might be easier for trolls to hack accounts if they ahd that information (e.g. if someone uses their login names as their password, for example, though I know it's unlikely). It might also include information which people would rather keep private (e.g. people might include their actual names...)

It might also be just generally odd... my login name is my old suit, Macavity, and to have that displayed as a rollover for Kit-Cat Club just seems a bit, well, confusing.
 
 
The Strobe
14:04 / 19.09.03
I agree with both of Kit-Cat's points; they'd crossed my mind as I was writing.
 
 
Tom Coates
14:05 / 19.09.03
Well it's certainly LESS secure than the current system, because the current system means you have to guess both the password AND the login name. But it's no less secure than most boards where the login name is displayed by default... I've got some other ideas around this area, so it's in no way a fait accompli...
 
 
Dr Doom
14:10 / 19.09.03
"...by hook or by crook..."
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:24 / 19.09.03
Nice quote, very vatic. What does it mean?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
14:59 / 19.09.03
I can't see any good reason why people aren't made to chose one username name, one displayed name and stick with them. If there's an argument about that, then just make the user number more visible, possibly including it in the user profile. That'd work just as well as making the username visible, but doesn't have any of the security risks.
 
 
Persephone
15:20 / 19.09.03
Can I change my login name, then? Because back when I signed up, the login name was hidden & I used a private name for that... sorry, I guess that wasn't too forward-thinking...
 
 
Mazarine
15:25 / 19.09.03
I vote a big yes. I have a damned difficult time with keeping track of who's who- I think I think that there are about twice as many active posters as there actually are.
 
 
Ganesh
16:33 / 19.09.03
Goooood idea.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:35 / 19.09.03
Well, my user name is one that I've never used on this board but I'm not so sure that I necessarily want people to see it. While I can see Tom trying to think of ways to get round our current problems I think the fact that we've got at least one person on the board who has tried to break into other people's suits alone should mean we don't try this idea.

Other than the oft-suggested list of previous user IDs I'm at a loss what to suggest. I think setting a minimum username length of five characters (sorry set!) might be an idea, I am a bit annoyed by these variety of users we have who's suits are all little symbols like ¬ + . in my day we had proper user names etc. etc... and they're quite difficult to tell apart.
 
 
grant
16:36 / 19.09.03
What if we made changing a username a moderation decision like changing a post?
 
 
Papess
16:46 / 19.09.03
I agree too. I wish people would at least keep some hint of their original id in their creative revisions. More like changing hairstyles, and not changing heads.
 
 
deja_vroom
16:58 / 19.09.03
grant's idea. grant's idea. for all that's upmost sacred, grant's idea.
 
 
Dr Doom
17:08 / 19.09.03
Barbelith Depol? Uggh! How stupid. What if you don't want people to know who you are?
 
 
Ariadne
18:25 / 19.09.03
Eek. Like Persephone, I would then want to change my user name as it's my real name -- when I signed up that was okay because it was kept hidden and it seems unfair to change that now.

I would prefer that people had to keep one fictionsuit name (easy for me to say, I know, when I never change mine) or for it to be a moderator-based thing. Though I'm sure the moderators have enough to do as it is.

If you do decide to do this Tom, can you let me know how to change my user name?
 
 
Ariadne
18:26 / 19.09.03
I mean my login name - I'm sure that's clear enough but i just wanted to be sure.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:53 / 19.09.03
I'd certainly like a way to keep track of who's who (cf: the recent epidemic of Flux=whothefuck?) but I'm not sure that this is the best way of going about it. Howabout a combination of

a) a list of the person's five most recent screen names, visible in their profile

b) a limit on how many times you could change your screen name-- say, once every couple of days?

c) the resurrection of posting trails-- it's often easier to work out who's who if you can see a number of their previous posts. There could be an option to hide the trail if the poster feared being followed round the board by someone they didn't get on with.
 
 
grant
19:08 / 19.09.03
I like that idea, too.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:14 / 19.09.03
I only like Tom's idea if we can request to have our permanent login name altered BEFORE the new system went into place. I have no idea how the programming works - is that possible? It'd mean that in the case of Persephone, she would change whatever it was to simply "persephone." I'm still concerned about security risks, though. Either way, we should volunteer our own permanent names.

For selfish reasons, I'm totally against making shifting names harder/impossible. I think there's a lot of people who would agree.

I think Mordant has got it right. It's simple, and it's less restrictive.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:16 / 19.09.03
By the way, I really hate the symbol names too. Who do these people think they are, Prince or something?

If it isn't possible to pronounce it, it shouldn't be your fucking name.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
19:38 / 19.09.03
What Persephone/Flux said. I wouldn't mind the login name being visible, but it's from back when I was Arthur Sudnam and wouldn't mean much now. So I'd like, if possible, to change it to something more relevant beforehand.

And I kind of also dislike the idea of making the username harder to change. I'm of the mind that, if people could constantly see my login name and know who's posting, I'd like to change my username occasionally. The confusion caused by changing usernames is what's kept me from doing so more often.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:09 / 19.09.03
The "rollover with cursor" thing doesn't seem to work on IE6 (or at least on my computer)... given the recent malarkey, I've been trying to identify various people by user number, and it hasn't been easy. (Or maybe I'm just doing it wrong).

I think a way of keeping track of who's who is a great idea... for more than the defensive reasons. I kind of like being able to change my ficsuit name, though... but I'd have no objection to having my login name visible (though, as has been said before, I may change it before this is instituted, if it is, to reflect the fact that it's ever-so-slightly-less-secure otherwise).
 
 
w1rebaby
02:41 / 20.09.03
I say have a permanent username field that is always displayed and can't be changed without a new login (i.e. login ID) and an optional "subtitle" field that is user-definable. Gives the opportunity for creativity but still retains a permanent record of who's who.

My login name is nothing like my displayed name incidentally.
 
 
SMS
03:17 / 20.09.03
This last suggestion seems the best to me, if anything needs to be done at all. Hovering doesn't work on Safari, IE, or some other programs, which is why I use Netscape, really. The one problem I could see with fridge's suggestion is that it seems to encourage long names and efforts at creativity, personal quotes and irritating things like that. I'd make the permanent name more subtle than the transient name, not in bold, at the bottom of the post, rather than the top, and maybe a step smaller font.
 
 
The Strobe
07:52 / 20.09.03
That last suggestion reminds me of the policy on the MUD I used to be on (and which I bang on about a lot). Essentially, you had a name, but could acquire what was called a "suffix". Hence the player Fleet chose the suffix funky (and had acheived the rank of necromancer), so it would say, whenever they were in the room, Fleet the funky necromancer is here, with a huge afro.

Now the thing is, creating suffixes can only be done by wizards/admins. And in general, you only chose one, and only when you'd been around for a certain length of time. The point was that you basically acquired something to keep you in character - more in character, if anything - and had to live up to the suffix, because you weren't going to get a new one every week.

I'm not using this to suggest we only have one suffix, but perhaps username+suffix (as, for instance, I have here) would be a good idea. Then you're forced to ALWAYS have a consistent part of your suit, and can have something after it to indicate status or whatever.

Suffixing seems to be the most popular form of alteration (see, for instance, Flux=suffix, or Anna de L.). The only users this might inconvenience are people like Lada who like to alter the whole suitname subtely.

Actually, just reaslied - we don't want login names displayed. So the formula should be something like fixed name chosen at registration or when new-style is set up + suffix. And a cap on suffix length...
 
 
.
08:27 / 20.09.03
Didn't we used to have the user numbers displayed next to the name? Personally I found that that was enough to keep track of who everyone was, and it's probably the simplest fix, so that's what I'd vote for.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
08:35 / 20.09.03
Actually, I quite like Mordant's idea of limiting how often you can change your user name. Once every seven days perhaps? I think it's only been the more disruptive elements on Barbelith that have been changing their username more often than that anyway.

Moderation approval for username changes would have to be an administrator job surely, as they aren't forum specific, and as Tom's just reduced the number of administrators they might end up getting snowed under with requests.
 
 
Morlock - groupie for hire
12:52 / 20.09.03
Personally, I've got only the vaguest of pictures of who is who on this board, and a name change throws me every time. But so what, I don't lose much anyway. Nor do I have any strong desire for anonymity, though obviously others do. SoI haven't got any strong preference on this subject.

However I do wonder if it isn't trying to solve the wrong problem. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this topic arise more from the recent trolling than anything else? If so, it is less a question of who someone is, and more of what they are. Trying to stop someone hiding their actions behind multiple names. Wouldn't it then be simpler to just tag their profile for a while, so that whatever name they choose that day there is some stable marker of what they've been doing?

Sure, it's not very nice to have someone wear a dunce's cap wherever they go on the board, so it would have to be used very carefully, but it would mean people can stay as anonymous as they like as long as it's not abused.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:48 / 20.09.03
Part of the issue is that suits are being taken by our resident Cletus, who's then changing the name in order to hide the fact that he wasn't the original owner. If there was a fix on names it might make spotting him when he's cowering in someone else's old shell a little easier. Not that it's particularly difficult at the moment, but it might help to make it more obvious for those who haven't had to have as much exposure to him as others.
 
 
Jub
13:50 / 20.09.03
Not sure about that MMM - seems a bit draconian, although I totally see the point about restricting troll's names as it is extremely annoying to have the logged in as name keep changing.

Personally, I like the fact some users change their names every now and again, but usually the core name is there. Having moderators changing names as grant seems like a good idea, and I also like the idea about having a fixed name on your profile page, one that people can identify as "you" no matter what screen name you've taken.

I've only ever changed my name once from Jub (which is my nick name IRL) to Sgt. Jub Lo Mein, during Flux's name swap craze. I haven't been bothered to change it back but I certainly wouldn't want to be stuck with the whole thing!
 
 
grant
14:20 / 20.09.03
The reason I suggested having it be a moderation decision was that that way at least four people would know when a change was made, and that's in effect making it public knowledge, the way information moves around here.

The "rollover with cursor" thing doesn't seem to work on IE6

It works over here on 5.5 -- the info appears as the URL, at the bottom left of the screen. The User # is the end of the address.
 
 
Seth
17:27 / 20.09.03
I'm almost coming to the point where I'm considering restricting people's display names to something short and unchangeable, but I'm not quite there yet.

That works for me. If it's a case of displaying login names I'd like to change mine, too.
 
  

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