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ZWAN: THE DREAM IS OVER

 
 
Billy Corgan
19:57 / 15.09.03
It's true, everyone. Zwan is over.

I'm sorry about this. I just can't do this anymore. I apologize to everyone who never came out to see Zwan play live, because we were amazing.

I'm not sure about what I'm going to do in the future. I think I'm just going to do some writing, post to my LiveJournal, and try writing some solo material. I may get around to finishing up the rock opera I've been planning for a few years now. It's about a misfit boy who falls in love with a girl who rejects him, and then he becomes a famous rock star that everyone in the world loves, and finds that she has like five or six children out of wedlock, got really fat, and is cleaning toilets for a living. When they meet again, she's in love with him, but he rejects her because he's a big rock star and she's a toilet cleaner. It's based on a true story.

Anyway, let's just make this thread about you telling me all about your favorite Zwan/Corgan/Pumpkins memories.
 
 
Panic
20:06 / 15.09.03
I'm sorry.

Who are you again?
 
 
reFLUX
20:09 / 15.09.03
thanks so much. this is the best news i've heard all day. i'm so happy now.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
22:01 / 15.09.03
Sorry to hear the news, Billy. My favorite Pumpkins moment was the show you guys did in Philly, where Jimmy did the 30-minute drum solo while you did that awesome eating solo. I thought you were going to puke after that twelfth hot dog (especially after that jar of relish!), but you just kept on eating like a champ. That's why you're my idol. Keep on eating, Billy.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
08:26 / 16.09.03
This is the moment I wake up and realise tis has all been a horrible nightmare.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:19 / 16.09.03
"Without that sense of family, rock n' roll just isn't worth the trouble."

Yarrrggghhh. What a fucking stain you are, Corgan...
 
 
Sunny
17:32 / 16.09.03
that's so sad, I just found out about Johnny Cash, well I guess he's up there playing with all the others in heaven. Johnny Cash is cool.
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
23:59 / 16.09.03
I don't get it. Is this another private joke?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
00:01 / 17.09.03
No, Zwan really did break up. And Billy's been posting here on and off for about two years now. I think he used to post occasionally on the Nexus, too.
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
10:12 / 17.09.03
But... Billy... and the LJ... parody surely?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:42 / 17.09.03
Blinks slowly

Ya think?
 
 
Rawk'n'Roll
13:24 / 17.09.03
Blinks slowly

Thats what I said isn't it?
 
 
Professor Silly
17:33 / 17.09.03
It seems we have a difference in how we view the nature of bands and rock music.

I must admit, back when I was in high school I believed that a band should be a family. I felt that if one of the members of Motley Crue quit they shouldn't call it "Motley Crue" anymore. I thought that any band I played in should be like a gang. I remember my feelings of betrayal when Mike Patton didn't dedicate himself 100% to Faith No More, and stayed in Mr. Bungle as well.

Well, now I think Patton was right all along. He's got the right idea, playing in what?--four different bands? ...each pursuing a different type of musical feeling, no less. This is what we need more of--individuals coming together to push the bounds of what music can be. Stagnation will only kill creativity. I, for one, applaud Twiggy Ramirez joining up with A Perfect Circle. We need more inbreeding in rock. I'd like to see it go one step further, and see Manson do a duet with Britney Spears.
...oh, the humanity!!!

It all boils down to assumptions eating out the soul of rock n roll. That a band should survive with members intact (which hardly ever lasts in reality) is just the first assumption I'd like to see destroyed. How many bands can we name that has all its original members? Radiohead comes to mind (one of my personal favorites), as does U2. Rolling Stones? nope. Beatles? they changed drummers before hitting the big-time.
Then you have cases like the Melvins--King Buzzo and Dale have changed up their bass player every couple of years. I think in their case it keeps them fresh and interesting. Or Frank Zappa's Mothers of Invention, which changed entire line-ups frequently.
If it doesn't work in practice, why do people get so upset when a band breaks up? It seems inevitable, really.

Other assumptions I don't like in Rock:
1) the egocentric-songwriter. Before the Beatles every rock album had 10 or 15% covers (songs written and recorded by someone else previously). Sure, the Beatles deserved to do away with this on their albums--they wrote fantastic-fucking-songs. I don't think others are as justified on this issue...Limp Bizkit doesn't write very good songs. I'd like to see most bands include two or three covers on every album. It's fun to hear reinterpretations!!!
2) Radio/internet singles. The Beatles never included their singles (released as 45's) on their full length albums. Strawberry Fields Forever was not on Sgt. Pepper...Day Tripper wasn't on Rubber Soul or Revolver...the fast Revolution wasn't on the White Album. Now I realize that 45's are now a defunct medium...but now we have the internet. Too often an album comes out that has one or two songs ready for the video treatment and radio airplay, while the rest of the album sucks. I think albums need to be an artform unto itself. Examples of good album bands: Pink Floyd, Beatles, Radiohead. Can we really say the same with, say, Soundgarden? Or Stone Temple Pilots? Or Guns 'n Roses (post-Izzy)? Increasingly it seems that the album format should be saved for those groups that have something that big to say, while others should trim the fat and put out e.p.-length disks. The internet will change the way we buy music anyway (once the record companies stop with their death-spasms), reducing the need to ship incredible quantites of round pieces of plastic stored in square pieces of plastic across the country. 40 minutes of music? Unnecessary for most bands.

Now we could argue that the music industry has changed, and such things aren't profitable these days...but I think that's just side-stepping my arguement. Neophobes have taken over the music industry, and the mavericks aren't celebrated like they were in the past.

So I applaud your decision to kill the band, as it wasn't satisfying your creativity. I also urge you to consider producing more Zwan or Smashing Pumpkins material if you ever feel the urge...and in the mean-time continue to produce creative material no matter what you label it with--whether a bandname, or solo, or non-music. Whatever.

As a P.S. my co-workers at the tattoo shop are always surprised when I say "When my current band breaks up I want to do (this) next." Of course the band I'm in will dissolve eventually...but I'll enjoy each ride as long as it lasts.
 
 
pomegranate
19:20 / 17.09.03
whoa, dab, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

living in chicago, i have heard various friends' stories of seeing billy on the street, etc., or in one case, waiting on him at a cafe. i've heard he's a total asshole, and i've heard he's a super nice guy. i saw the pumpkins play lollapalooza. i loved it, but...that was a long time ago, and i was a different person. i still like siamese dream though. and gish. didn't hear the zwan record. i like "honestly," though.
~my $0.02
 
 
Professor Silly
20:15 / 17.09.03
I try not to say anything personal about anyone I haven't met...except Pres. Bush (my new favorite motto is "Fuck Bush"). It's just too easy to take pot-shots at those in the lime light, eh?

Yeah, I saw Smashing Pumkins play inbetween Pearl Jam and Red Hot Chili Peppers in Ames, Iowa. I was thoroughly not impressed by Pearl Jam...there, or the two other times I saw them. I enjoyed the rest of the show however.

I did like Gish, but I have a vague memory of thinking their song on the Singles soundtrack was their best....
 
 
Chaos is relative
21:39 / 18.09.03
I agree with DAB, family values are for right wing extremists and not musical collaborations. Fuck Bush!

Billy, I am sorry to hear that you are taking it so hard. I personally had a similar ego crash in the 1990's after leaving a band that I had started and nurtured to relative success. It is tough to find one's legs after being let down so far. I am now in a band I am very happy with and seeing no success, financially and socially that is. The point is, if you are not in it for the music, get out. Any other motivation is just adding to the artless fridgebuzz put out by the money mongering record companies of today. Only you change how you feel about the other members of your band. If they are not acting as you think a family should it may not be the situation for you. I have made great music with people that had no respect for me as an individual, even with personal enemies. It all adds something to the flavor of the art. Good luck and I am sorry this post is not turning out to be the intended memory lane, but that shit is over. Move on. Don't end up like a Hollywood burnout always thinking about what was. Infinite possibilities await you.

Love is the law, love under will.

Lani Milbus
 
 
diz
03:35 / 19.09.03
i did like the Zwan cover of Iron Maiden's "Number of the Beast." it was used for the main credits in Spun
 
 
raelianautopsy
16:37 / 19.09.03
You know what one of the best Pumpkins albums was? Adore. As a beautiful gothic Cure tribute as their ever was. And nobody seemed to like it except for me. But that was one of the greatest peices of music ever created. Then you sold out and did Machina which sucked. You even said that you were doing just doing a caricture of yourself to appease the fans. While the rockin' songs admittedly are more fun to see live, you still are just another stupid rock band except you're angry with a high-pitched voice. The art fag soft instrumental ones are where the genius comes through. The single b-sides on the Aeroplane Flies High, how much more musical ecstasy could one want? Whether the real Billy Corgan is reading this or not, I just wanted to vent. So do more of that in the future Billy, for me.
 
  
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