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HCE
16:55 / 22.09.03
Serious knitting question: as best I can determine from examing the diagram, I am 'twisting' stiches. Rather than producing neat rows of \/s where the points meet, I've got something like this: \' -- one shorter side meeting a longer side. I believe I am knitting & purling correctly (just doing a basic stockinette, nothing fancy). Any idea what I might be doing wrong? Please bear in mind that I only began knitting yesterday and am not fully acquainted with special terminology.
 
 
gingerbop
21:16 / 22.09.03
Dont talk to me about knitting; not today.
I was heartily inspired by this thread to re-learn how to knit. I asked my mother- a grandmother, surely obliged to knit lots of little cardis- to teach me. She'd given ALL our wool away to the charity shop. *tsk* Just wait till i unravel a few of her jumpers.

I think I'll go and bake to make up for the lack of womanly things I'v done today. OH WAIT- I was a nanny today for my niece, chlo. I changed a nappy TWICE (although one leaked tragically, but not before my sister came home). And i went for morning tea with my parents and Chloe. I feel womanly again. Man, im gonna have so many kids once im a millionaire.
 
 
Olulabelle
21:58 / 22.09.03
Womanly things? Have some of mine; today my son taught me how to spell 'stop' using BBC English, or received pronunciation.

Me: "Sssss, Tttttt, Ooooo, Ppppp."
Him: "Ssss, Ddddd, Ooooo, Ppppp?"
Me: "No, no, no, it's Tttttt not Ddddd."
Him: "Well say it properly then Mummy. When you say it, it sounds like S-D-O-P."

Gutted.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:52 / 23.09.03
GENTEEL BARBELITH BISCUIT DISCUSSION

All this dreadful internecine strife has made me think that what we need is some sort of village fair into which we can channel competitive urges (I think this was because of the hubris of certain posters who shall not be named - the word hubris always makes me think of compost). I dare say that, apart perhaps from mighty grant, there are few people qualified to comment on the growing of vegetable marrows etc.

However, it is well known that the WI cake and biscuit stall is the highlight of such events. Now that we have exhausted jam, I think we should go for biscuits as the next topic of conversation. Beneath the genteel, flowered exterior of the WI members, our fluttering hearts beat only for biscuits (NB biscuits, NOT cookies or any other approximations. Biscuits).

Personally I think you can't beat a good old ginger nut, though inferior versions sometimes taste faintly of soap. Squashed fly biscuits are also always acceptable. But I cannot understand those who prefer sweet digestive biscuits - surely the biscuit equivalent of the hair shirt? Not only that, but they also disintegrate far too quickly when dipped in one's tea.

Next on my list of topics: boiled sweets, and fudge-making in the home.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
12:02 / 23.09.03
You heard the laydee, roll up! Roll up! Time for the soggy biscuit game.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:08 / 23.09.03
Fortunately we are all far too genteel to have any idea what you are talking about...
 
 
telyn
12:15 / 23.09.03
My great-aunt (still a spinster don't you know, such a tragedy) taught me a most wonderful recipe for home fudgemaking, which I have repeated on many occasion. However, I know very little about boiled sweets or many other types of confectionary. If anyone would care to enlighten me on the path to good rhubarb-and-custards I should be most grateful.

Perhaps for the next Barbelith WI Winter Games, we should gather with appropriate equiptment and hold a baking triathilon?
 
 
Olulabelle
12:25 / 23.09.03
I'm willing to bet that this is the only W.I. conversation ever to have included a reference to the soggy biscuit game.

I'd like to include melt-in-your-mouth shortbread to the list of biscuit champions as, although it's not techniquely a biscuit, I can a/make it and b/ it's lovely with Earl Grey tea. (On a side note Earl Grey tea has to be the tea champion for us, because it's the very essence of gentility.)
 
 
bitchiekittie
13:46 / 23.09.03
today I'm bringing some stationery to share, including all the fixings to make your own cards. I just got some lovely gold foil for my stampings, perfect for "welcome fall" greetings to people we've put off writing to for far too long.
 
 
bitchiekittie
13:47 / 23.09.03
and since I'm sure to lose any sort of bakeoff, can I volunteer to be the judge?

mmm.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
14:41 / 23.09.03
Dame Kit Cat, are you really trying to tell me you're too refined to have ever dunked a ginger nut in a cup of coffee, in anticipation of the sheer melty gingery loveliness about to dissolve on your tongue?

You have lived a life of such gingerwetnesslessness & deprivation due to the demands of your academic urges, I do understand. I would sympathise but I can't imagine ever having those urges.

All my urges involve gingersnaps and other soggy biscuits.
 
 
telyn
15:02 / 23.09.03
Ah ginger snaps! Right up there with dropscones cooked on the fast plate of an aga and suet-based puddings. Jam roly-poly with custard. (Mmm. Ok, hungry now.)
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:59 / 23.09.03
I must humbly admit that I'm not so good on the biscuit front.

I have also learnt that our colonial cousins across the water have their own fine soggy biscuit traditions.

Try a chocolate-chip cookie dunked in coffee.

Delicious!

Though I make the richest, drippingest bread-and-butter pudding you'll ever taste. Brioche, cream and cinnamon...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:34 / 23.09.03
My mother used to make copious quantities of things called "Melting Moments" for us during my frugal infancy. Rolled oats mainly but quick, cheap and very tasty. I shall be perfecting her recipé for entry into the competition.

Now I'm off to John Lewis to buy an apron and a rolling pin.
 
 
bitchiekittie
16:55 / 23.09.03
xoc! is this it:

2 c sugar
1/2 c each milk, butter, cocoa
dash of vanilla
however-many-cups-of-quick-oats?

my mother taught me and her mother taught her. tho I'm fairly sure our recipe came from a package...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:01 / 23.09.03
kittie! I would kiss you, were it not for that damned inconvenient ocean between us! Simple, quick, cheap, and lipsmackingly fattening, like homemade Hobnobs only bigger and better and meltier.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:42 / 24.09.03
Xoc, I am in total sympathy with you regarding the pleasures of soggy biscuits themselves; it was the idea of there being a game associated with them that caused my momentary confusion. I take it that the game you have in mind is a sort of dare - who can leave their biscuit longest in the tea, before the sogginess takes over and the biscuit collapses into the heated beverage? You would have to add handicaps for the hardier varietes, viz. squashed fly and rich tea biscuits, &c.

I have a jolly good and frugal recipe for ginger flapjack somewhere. You need to adjust the syrup content with flapjack in order to ensure that they are chewy rather than jaw-breakingly hard...

Boiled sweets are a bit of a nightmare to make in the home. You need to oil up your hands and then pull the mixture while it is still malleable. I have never quite mustered up the courage to do this successfully (probably because I am so bad at getting things to set and am terrified of getting the boil wrong...)
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
13:52 / 24.09.03
I do feel, however, that I should register my distaste for the Tim Tam Slam - a revolting practice...

Do you suppose one could stitch spells into patchwork?
 
 
HCE
17:39 / 24.09.03
Do people really not know what soggy biscuits are or is my sarcasm sensor just turned down too low?

And speaking of ginger, what about scones? I put it to you that a ginger scone is a fine thing.
 
 
Ariadne
17:45 / 24.09.03
Your sensor needs some fiddling, yes.
I've never tried ginger scones - how do you make them? with fresh ginger, or crystalised, or what? personally I'm in love with treacle scones, and would love one right this minute.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:00 / 24.09.03
We all know what soggy biscuits are dear fred but, being upstanding Women's Institute member, we are rising above such low, cheap juvenilia and discussing serious topics instead, like the merits of the ginger snap and how to drop the perfect griddle scone. It was people like us who made Britain Great you know... *cof*

Fnar fnar.
 
 
Bill Posters
17:26 / 30.09.03
indeed, even I am going to avoid crudeness, and I tell ya, with Xoc in the vicinty and talk of soggy biccies, that's one tough call. But really, I have a proper - if slightly tangential - contribution to this thread: it is one of the saddest poems I know about jam. (Come to think of it, it's the only poem I know about jam. I suspect there aren't very many.)


An April Sunday Brings the Snow

An April Sunday Brings the Snow
Making the blossom on the plum trees green,
Not white. An hour or two, and it will go.
Strange that I spend that hour moving between

Cupboard and cupboard, shifting the store
Of jam you made of fruit from these same trees:
Five loads – a hundred pounds or more -
More than enough for all next summer’s teas,

Which now you will not sit and eat.
Behind the glass, under the cellophane,
Remains your final summer – sweet
And meaningless, and not to come again.



It's by Philip Larkin, and I believe 'twas written uponst the death of his mother, should that be of any interest. It's an early one, and not his best work, but i still find it very moving for some reason.
 
 
HCE
18:03 / 30.09.03
Sarcasm sensor adjusted, thank you.

I make my ginger scones with crystallized ginger -- I'd imagine fresh would be a bit too pungent. I'll see if I can dig up my source recipe, which is Nancy Silverton's (an excellent local baker).

I have solved my problem of the twisted stiches in my knitting. It turns out that my grandmother knits (of course). It was quite nice, actually, it provided us with not only an opportunity for a knitting lesson, but also for bringing out old family photo albums so I could see all the lovely clothes she used to make for her children. Domesticity can be rather cozy.
 
 
HCE
18:05 / 30.09.03
But of course it's online already:

Special item: 3-inch round cutter

2 1/4 cups unbleached pastry flour or unbleached all-purpose flour
1/3 cup granulated sugar
1 tablespoon baking powder
1 teaspoon finely chopped lemon zest (about 1/2 lemon)
1 1/2 sticks (6 ounces) unsalted butter, cut into 1-inch cubes and frozen
4 1/2 ounces candied ginger, finely chopped into 1/4-inch pieces to equal 2/3 cup
3/4 cup heavy cream, chilled, plus extra for brushing the tops of the scones

Adjust the oven rack to the middle position and preheat the oven to 400°.

In the bowl of a food processor fitted with the steel blade or in the bowl of an electric mixer fitted with the paddle attachment, combine the flour, sugar, and baking powder, and pulse or mix on low to incorporate. Add the lemon zest and butter, and pulse on and off, or mix on low, untl the mixture is pale yellow and the consistency of fine meal.

Transfer the mixture to a large bowl and stir in the ginger. Make a well in the center and pour in the cream. Using one hand, draw in the dry ingredients, mixing until just combined.

Wash and dry your hands and dust them with flour. Turn the dough out onto a lightly floured work surface and gently knead a few times to gather it into a ball. Roll or pat the dough into a circle about 3/4 inch thick. Cut out the circles, cutting as closely together as possible and keeping the trimmings intact.

Gather the scraps, pat and press the pieces back together, and cut out the remaining dough. Place the scones 1 inch apart on a parchment-lined baking sheet.

Brush the tops with the remaining cream.

Bake for 12 to 16 minutes, until the surface cracks and they are slightly browned.

From Nancy Silverton's Pastries from the La Brea Bakery
 
 
mondo a-go-go
19:03 / 30.09.03
One should remember that English scones are not quite the same thing as American scones. What the Americans call scones are more akin to old-fashioned rock cakes in Britain, and what the British call scones are similar to what the Americans refer to as biscuits. And British biscuits are what the Americans call cookies, but cookies are just one variety of biscuit in Britain. I shan't confuse the issue by bringing up Australian terms.

This weekend I made some delicious mocha truffles. So easy to make, I'm going to be making them again, perhaps wrapping them individually in tissue paper and placing them in giftboxes for especially delightful and nice people.
 
 
gingerbop
23:30 / 30.09.03
Good Lord. You would have thought we could speak the same language, but no! American people asking about my pants always makes me hesitate before answering, lest i divulge classified information of my undergarments.

I now have 2 balls of wool (pink and purple). How far will they go, for example, in a scarf? Apparently to achieve a scarf, I need to leard to knit one, pearl one, which sounds infinately more complex than what KCC (or someone) describes (fairly accurately) as knit-one-knit-one-knit-one-knit-one. Everyone shall have a scarf for Christmas if i master this, as well as something that costs a penny from ebay.
 
 
Ariadne
05:58 / 01.10.03
You don't have to learn purl stitches, gingerbop - you'll get a perfectly respectable (and nicely knobbly) scarf if you just knit one, knit one, knit one.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:45 / 01.10.03
What, one wonders, do Americans call drop scones?

Have to say I'm not particularly bothered whether fred's recipe is more akin to scones or rock buns - it sounds bloody delicious, though this electric mixer business is a little wimpish and I am sure Mrs Beeton would be highly displeased. I am thieving it and calling it my own. I am a ginger fiend. Brushing cream on the top of your cakes before baking does sound rather decadent, I must say, and might well cause the downfall of the empire (did the British brush their buns with cream before Plassey? I doubt it very much...)

Anna - did you manage to get your truffles so that they were perky rather than sagging in their paper cups? Have never managed that one myself and would be interested to learn how. Perhaps a question of my having a few too many nips of the alcoholic ingredients during the mixing process?
 
 
Ariadne
14:59 / 01.10.03
What, one wonders, do Americans call drop scones?

I can't speak for Americans, but in New Zealand they're called pikelets. Which is just silly.
 
 
HCE
16:01 / 01.10.03
Anna -- what exactly must a person do to qualify as especially delightful and nice? I suspect that if you have to ask, you're at best moderately delightful and nice. I assure you that the ginger baked good for which I listed a recipe is not remotely like any sort of rock.

gingerbop -- I recently made a scarf from a thick wool that called for 6.5mm needles, and was twenty-four stiches wide. With two balls of yarn, it came out to about 140cm long. For lighter wool and a narrower scarf, a single ball of wool might be sufficient for a single scarf. One advantage of using a garter (all knit) stich is that the edges won't curl in.

Kit-Kat Club -- the recipe is not mine to begin with, so by all means, abandon the electric mixer and call it your own.
 
 
mondo a-go-go
18:16 / 01.10.03
"Anna - did you manage to get your truffles so that they were perky rather than sagging in their paper cups?"

Paper cups? My dear, that sounds like an unnecessary fiddle. And perky truffles? Truffles should be round in shape, none of this fancy pinching and perking. Perfectly round and pop-in-the-mouth.

"Have never managed that one myself and would be interested to learn how. Perhaps a question of my having a few too many nips of the alcoholic ingredients during the mixing process?"

Perhaps that was it. It was actually the first time I've ever made them, though I had been meaning to do so for some time, and frankly I consider my method was cheating, because I melted all the chocolate and butter in the microwave. Though by doing so, I ensured that no water or air got into the mixture whilst it was melting, which is a Good Thing. I only added one quarter of a cup of Kahlua, and was just considering that perhaps the recipe might call for a little more next time, in which case, the mixture will have to set in the fridge for a considerably longer time than just one hour.

"Anna -- what exactly must a person do to qualify as especially delightful and nice? I suspect that if you have to ask, you're at best moderately delightful and nice.

Well, my dear Fred, the distinction of Especially Delightful and Nice has some grounding in the simple matters of etiquette and courtesy. If one is possessed of both these capabilities without the need of patient reminders, one could be described by myself as Especially Delightful and Nice, and thus worthy of my truffles. On the other hand, if you are someone who appears to have a complete lack of consideration and manners, someone who is apparently incapable of simple courtesy, such as acknowledging correspondence, one who has a tendency towards tardiness, then you don't deserve anything from me, least of all my truffles. It's not polite to keep a lady waiting, you know.

I assure you that the ginger baked good for which I listed a recipe is not remotely like any sort of rock.

I can quite believe this, especially as I am a big fan of any baked goods made with ginger. Besides, I have had some scones in America that were deliciously flaky and crumbly and moist and in every way delightful. May I recommend the Someday Cafe in Davis Square in Boston for examples of these? And their coffee is rather nice too.
 
 
Ariadne
18:23 / 01.10.03
Ooh, I've been to the Someday Cafe - and to meet a 'lither, too. I wonder if the cafe knows its Barbe-status? (I just wrote 'Carbe-status' by accident, which is quite apt, too)
 
 
Mourne Kransky
07:29 / 02.10.03
A PhD student from Loughborough University (Qasim Saleem: funded by the Women's Institute Biscuit Research Fund, I expect) claims to have discovered why, when you open up a biscuit packet with anticipation, you often find the contents cracked and broken.

It's not just rough handling or being dropped in the supermarket; it's due to interactions between moisture in the air and moisture in the biscuit which take place while the food is cooling down after being taken out of the oven.

Qasim "baked and studied more than 100 biscuits in the laboratory using a sophisticated laser technique, called digital speckle pattern interferometry.

His supervisor, Dr Ricky Wildman, said the findings could have an important impact on the biscuit business.

...The research showed that, during cooling, a biscuit picks up moisture around the rim which causes it to expand.

But at the same time, it loses moisture at the centre, which causes it to contract. This results in the build-up of forces which are ultimately released in the formation of cracks or in the break-up of the biscuit."

Mr Saleem said: "We now have a greater understanding of why biscuits develop cracks shortly after being baked.

...Unfortunately those used in the research were not fit for eating afterwards, "on hygiene grounds", he added.

The findings appear in this month's issue of the Institute of Physics journal Measurement Science And Technology.
"

This research may result in the future production of more dunk-worthy biscuits. Yay!
 
 
Ganesh
07:31 / 02.10.03
Ah well, that's the way the cookie crumbles...

(And aren't 'pikelets' baby neds?)
 
 
Ariadne
07:48 / 02.10.03
I was about to say 'really? never heard that', and then I got it, and then I smacked you round the head.
 
  

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