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Horror subjects in comics, but also popular culture in general.

 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:14 / 09.09.03
Okay, this is me being an iconoclast and splitting "horror comics" up into little blocks as i see it. This is probably stupid but it might be something to talk about.


Pre Buffy: Loads of zombies/slash big monster. Destroy people, lots of blood, no attempt at story/character. The games Doom and Quake. Any "Horror comix"

Mid period: Some sense of "clans"- history. "Epic""Gothic" themes. The game Soul Reaver. Sandman? Hellblazer.

Post Buffy: Aborted attempts at teenage characters, mild vampirism, angst, and always having silly grunge/punk bands depicted at every possible stage in the stories development. Buffy.

What do you think? Did i sum up well?
 
 
sleazenation
20:23 / 09.09.03
in a word, no.

you are kind of hamstrung by creating a taxonomy of an entire genre in relation to just one example of it.

that and what seems to be your ignorance of horror comics before the late 80s...
 
 
grant
20:24 / 09.09.03
Is this just post-CCA/Senate Subcommittee hearings, then?

Cuz EC comics were a little more complicated than the big monsters you'd see in early Marvel books.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:16 / 09.09.03
I think you've weakened the assessment by describing "Buffy" as "post-Buffy", and I think that Soul Reaver came out some years after Sandman started, and only really became celebrated with its sequel, which I think came out after Sandman *ended*. And you may want to consider that, with the clans and the angst, there's a whole White Wolf thing going down that has to feed into the Buffy quasi-backlash.

So, on the whole, no.
 
 
Krug
02:57 / 10.09.03
What's the deal with Buffy anyway.
I've been asleep for years and never enter Buffy disucssions because I've attempted to watch it several times and have never liked it.

What's the significance of Buffy in comics?
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
03:49 / 10.09.03
As I see it:

Pre-EC: A lot of tepid little horror comics that didn't cause much of a ripple in the marketplace. Most of them were short (no more than 8 pages) and tended to be retreads of radio horror stories

EC: EC brought literacy, incredble art, and a LOT of formula to the genre. They didn't sell GREAT (they were actually outsold by Atlas's pale imitations) but they were the comics that everyone but DC, Archie and Dell wanted to do. Also brought about the Senate turning their gaze on comics as a cause of juvenile crime, and the comics industry got such a bad name that sales plummetted, distributors quit carrying them and most comic companies were gone by 1956

Pre-Silver Age: LOTS of gimmicky horror title from Atlas, and "mystery" books from DC. There were ghost stories and monster stories for the most part, although it feels like at least 1/4th of the stories Stan Lee wrote during these years were about people selling their souls to the Devil. I wonder....

Silver Age: The monsters at Marvel slowly faded, even though early Hero Marvels still bore the stamp of having monster type stories and characters. DC phased out their mystery books in favor of superhero stuff. What little horror remained in color comics was either reprints or "humor" done by Archie, who's business practices were as shady as anyone could imagine.

Horror during this period mostly went into magazines (primarily Creepy and Eerie) and went back to the EC formula.

Bronze Age: A boom for horror comics (at one point, Marvel had over 20 comics reprinting their 50's horror stories), with DC doing a lot of mystery style stories with Philipino artists who they could pay MUCH less than American artists. Marvel did horror but used the Stan Lee "Misfit hero in a soap opera" style of storytelling. The best examples are DC's House of Mystery and Marvel's Tomb of Dracula. Also a TON of people started putting out magazines to compete with Creepy and Eerie, which all failed. Creepy and Eerie were gone in the early 80's as sales dwindled and markets evaporated. Warren style horror had a brief run in alternative comics, with Bruce Jones's "Twisted Tales" and "Alien Worlds" being amazingly successful, but unable to be duplicated by other companies and creators. Jones quit working ont hem due to the passing of his main publisher and inablity to keep artists.

Vertigo: Based on the sucess of Alan Moore's work, DC built a whole line that was mostly dedicated to horror mining their old concepts. Sandman started as a way to secure copyright (they gave Neil Gaiman a list of characters they would have liked him to use). With the rise of alternatives, there have been a lot of splatterpunk publishers (Avatar, whoever is publishing Tim Vigil's latest Wolverine ripoff gorefest)and one publisher (Chaos) who had a long run of publishing super-hero style horror comics.

Current: Vertigo publishes very few horror books in its line any longer, Bruce Jones writes The Hulk as if it were an old Warren comic, and most horror is Manga style.

My opinion?

A few horror anthologies could do well if published right. The Warren stuff should get reprinted (at least the early stuff written by Archie Goodwin). Both Marvel and DC should look into low budget horror comics, instead of tossing new talent on high profile books to fail miserably. Market them as MAGAZINES, as there seems to be a coming horror boom int he US.

And yes, this is all off the top of my head, so you can prolly tear it apart quite easily, but I think you need to go back further than 5 years to do a review of horror in comics. Other than Super-heroes, it is the longest running genre in the medium.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
08:53 / 10.09.03
Pre Buffy: Loads of zombies/slash big monster. Destroy people, lots of blood, no attempt at story/character. The games Doom and Quake. Any "Horror comix"

Actually, zombies are more popular now than they were 20 years ago:

Resident Evil videogames/comic books/movie
28 Days Later
Wake The Dead, that comic book by the author of Dark Days

And if horror comics ever had attempts at 'story/character' it was definitely before teenage-sanitised Buffy...

We're talking about Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, Sandman. And that's not considering EC comics and '70's gems such as Tomb Of Dracula, Werewolf By Night, etc...

Mid period: Some sense of "clans"- history. "Epic""Gothic" themes. The game Soul Reaver. Sandman? Hellblazer.

I'd say this is the time Marvel had the idea of coming up with a 'mature' line for titles like Man-thing and Satanna, all of which flopped because were just stupid by-the-numbers stories; and Man-Thing was ripping off Swamp Thing in every page... Ghost Rider was still on the market, but had deteriorated since the early '90's when it was really menacing...

Post Buffy: Aborted attempts at teenage characters, mild vampirism, angst, and always having silly grunge/punk bands depicted at every possible stage in the stories development. Buffy.

At this point, i don't think there is such thing as 'horror' comics - nowadays they just seems as a good vehicle for kick-ass action stories with lots of kung-fu and shotguns in the mix... or they're just too humourous and not written seriously...

Criminal Macabre
The Possessed
Blood & Water
Midnight, Mass.

Even Hellblazer has devolved from the early Delano issues of psychological terror to Ennis/Ellis mindless graphic horror...

... forget the characters, plot, building up tension and eerie atmosphere - which has become synonimous with very dark panels - and let's just go for the gross-out, supported with very purile humour and fart jokes...
 
 
The Strobe
09:49 / 10.09.03
To continue on a videogaming line (just because it was brought up): Doom is 93 and Quake is 95, iirc... and AFAICR 95 is post-Buffy movie, and not far off Buffy-TV series, so the timeline might well break down there, too.

And whilst I'm talking videogames and not comics geekery: note also the trend for more psychological horror: Silent Hill, Eternal Darkness, and most interesting of all, Project Zero, in which you defeat ghosts by capturing them on film. These are more Ring-and-the-like influenced, and Silent Hill 1 is post-Resident-Evil, in 1997 or 98, iirc. That trend is in some ways more interesting than more zombie and splatter horror, and it's one that's been successful in films (The Sixth Sense, Ring, Dark Water, Jacob's Ladder, etc, etc, etc).
 
 
Ria
18:21 / 14.09.03
oh, major omission.

DC did a fantastic experimental horror/satire/autobio(!) book called Wasteland as I had mentioned before.

one of the Warren competitors, Skywald, did very original, very disturbed feverdream kind of stories. even when using the traditional gothic imagery they made them seem new.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
20:01 / 14.09.03
The House On The Borderland is a great horror comic book published by Vertigo, that goes back to the Lovecraftian style of horror... cosmic horrors, a creepy protagonist, strange landscapes and a total lack of humour...

The novel on which it's based, by William Hope Hodgson, is quite good too...

When most horror books were going for the easy gross-out with straightforward plots, The House actually had a psychological edge that i haven't seen again since Delano's Hellblazer...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:22 / 14.09.03
The novel on which it's based, by William Hope Hodgson, is quite good too...

Quite good? Quite good? It's a fucking CLASSIC, man!

Have to get that HOTB graphic novel- isn't the art by Corben or somebody?
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:09 / 15.09.03
isn't the art by Corben

YES... very much...
 
  
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