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Infrasound the True Cause of Ghost-Like Sensations?

 
 
FinderWolf
17:10 / 08.09.03
I thought it was interesting that they used the phrase
"Feel a ghost?" on CNN.

from today's CNN:

Feel a ghost? Perhaps it's infrasound
Monday, September 8, 2003 Posted: 11:35 AM EDT (1535 GMT)

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MANCHESTER, England (Reuters) -- Mysteriously snuffed out candles, weird sensations and shivers down the spine may not be due to the presence of ghosts in haunted houses but to very low frequency sound that is inaudible to humans.

British scientists have shown in a controlled experiment that the extreme bass sound known as infrasound produces a range of bizarre effects in people including anxiety, extreme sorrow and chills -- supporting popular suggestions of a link between infrasound and strange sensations.

"Normally you can't hear it," Dr Richard Lord, an acoustic scientist at the National Physical Laboratory in England who worked on the project, said on Monday.

Lord and his colleagues, who produced infrasound with a seven meter (yard) pipe and tested its impact on 750 people at a concert, said infrasound is also generated by natural phenomena.

"Some scientists have suggested that this level of sound may be present at some allegedly haunted sites and so cause people to have odd sensations that they attribute to a ghost -- our findings support these ideas," said Professor Richard Wiseman, a psychologist at the University of Hertfordshire in southern England.

In the first controlled experiment of infrasound, Lord and Wiseman played four contemporary pieces of live music, including some laced with infrasound, at a London concert hall and asked the audience to describe their reactions to the music.

The audience did not know which pieces included infrasound but 22 percent reported more unusual experiences when it was present in the music.

Their unusual experiences included feeling uneasy or sorrowful, getting chills down the spine or nervous feelings of revulsion or fear.

"These results suggest that low frequency sound can cause people to have unusual experiences even though they cannot consciously detect infrasound," said Wiseman, who presented his findings to the British Association science conference.

Infrasound is also produced by storms, seasonal winds and weather patterns and some types of earthquakes. Animals such as elephants also use infrasound to communicate over long distances or as weapons to repel foes.

"So much has been said about infrasound -- it's been associated with just about everything from beam weapons to bad driving. It's wonderful to be able to examine the evidence," said Sarah Angliss, a composer and engineer who worked on the project.

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Mystery Gypt
01:44 / 09.09.03
so... if infrasound is present in locations thought to be haunted... what's producing the infrasound?

could it be... the screams of the undead?
 
 
A
06:23 / 09.09.03
It's Scorpio- the Virtual Assassin!
 
 
cusm
14:43 / 09.09.03
Well, cause and effect paradoxes aside, this opens all new exciting tools for the experimental musician, doesn't it?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
18:09 / 09.09.03
that books actually been open for a while... i think this study is confirming things that people already knew. Coil's soundtrack for Hellraiser (not used), for example, used infrasound to make people upset. So, apparently, did the director of Irreversible.

Interesting additional news today is an article about how black holes emit infrasound!
 
 
—| x |—
09:31 / 12.09.03
Yes, but the important question we now ought to ask is that are these ELFs the single and only cause of so-called "ghostly effects," or is this merely what we can "scientifically" (here an umbrella term standing in for what we will loosely think of a standard and accepted method and practice) discern or extract from such phenomena. Could it be that (like anything else) there is the “wave” aspect to the occurrence of “spooky happenings,” and that this wave is more complicated then our mere instruments can measure, and what we get returned from our attempt to quantify-qualify along scientific means is these ELFs?
 
 
davidseed
15:23 / 06.04.04
One cause of infrasound in haunted buildings is wind passing over the top of a chimney with a blocked off fireplace.

The cavity produced by the fireplace and chimney is like a bottle with the wind above being as if you blew over the top of the bottle. the wavelength of the infra sound is 4 times the length of the bottle (or organ pipe) so a 7 m pipe produces a 28 metre wave and since the speed of sound is 346m/s we have a frequency of 346/28 about 12 HZ. Since fireplaces are typically blocked of with a piece of wood this acts as a sounding board for the infrasound. Another source of infrasound is the wind passing under a loosely fitting door into an enclosed space. This acts like an infrasound whistle.

This frequency resonates with certain parts of the body different people respond at different frequencies in different parts of the body depending on their size and age (e.g. eyeballs become more rigid with age hence the greater need for glasses) but eyeballs typically resonate at 19Hz. This is why different people have different responses

If the test had been done in (semi) darkness then no doubt the visual illusions would have been apparent. Note that if someone is frightened then they are more likely to take notice of the visual illusion and to try to make something of it ( i.e. in trying to make sense of the phenomenon in a strange environment in which ghost are to be expected then they will make out what they see to be a ghost. I.e. they are not lying or foolish but making something of what they see just as you "make" a lake out of a mirage.

I first heard of the impact of infrasound as a cause of illusions when an engineer (Vic Tandy) reported seeing apparitions while working on his computer in a semidark office with a faulty extractor fan ( the measured frequency was 19Hz) (See http://www.livesoundint.com/archives/2002/janfeb/low/low.php)

See also: http://ghosts.monstrous.com/infrasound.htm - which says
"Infrasound arises when strong gusts of wind clash with chimneys or towers. These heavy basses penetrate even through very thick walls. Such sound waves start rumbling in tunnel-shaped corridors. This is the reason why people often come across ghosts in long serpentine corridors of ancient castles looking like tunnels. Strong winds are quite typical of Great Britain. "

(for reference the lowest sound audible to young humans is about 20Hz the lowest note on a piano is about 3 octaves below 256 Hz i.e. 32Hz).

To investigate ghostly phenomena in old houses ...
1) Detect the problem with a microphone and oscilloscope so that you can see the intensity of the infrasound.
2) To resolve the problem use draught excluders, and rockwool in the blocked off fireplaces.

But that would of course harm the tourist industry for Scottish castles .. so let's not derail the gravy train.

PS. TRY THIS WAV FILE TO SEE THE EFFECT FOR YOURSELF
http://mystudy.ath.cx/study/19hz_standing.wav
But I think that my eyes are too old and hence rigid and hence higher natural frequency to respond to this sound. Although I did hear a whistling which might indicate some sort of resonance in the ear
 
 
davidseed
15:32 / 06.04.04
I remembered it wrongly:
thew sound frequency was 19HZ and the fan was not a ceiling fan but an air conditioning fan
and the resonance was from the room size not the fan design
see http://www.coventry.ac.uk/cms/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=459&a=2671
 
 
davidseed
15:41 / 06.04.04
the scientist I refered to was Tandy (actually an engineer)
see: http://www.meta-religion.com/Paranormale/Ghost/ghosts_created_by_low_frequency.htm
 
 
Cheap. Easy. Cruel.
15:44 / 06.04.04
That is pretty cool. I am going to have to share this with my GF, she believes all of the supernatural stuff that I tend to discredit.
 
 
davidseed
22:32 / 06.04.04
more on experiments about physical causes of ghosts at
http://www.ghosts-uk.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=154

but the debate there shows that some people will not beleive in the scientific method.

more on the mysteries of infrasound at http://www.borderlands.com/newstuff/research/infra.htm

part of the reason for seeing ghosts is because we try to make something of our visual input. but also because we are afraid and so are acting irrationally. for the evolutionarily advantagoeous reason that if we stopped to eb rational about a frightening event we may be too late to take any action at all. If we see a frightening thing very quickly we jump. if it happens slowly enough for us to understand it we make sense of it. but inbetween times say something appears for a second we are frightened but don't know how to react, but se seek a rationa explanation. A ghost is a rational explanation but not a scientific one.
 
 
chrisdaggimoh
21:58 / 21.04.04
Brings new meaning to the term 'bad vibes', huh?

How long a range would stuff like this have? It seems like an ideal psy-ops weapon to ward people away from a senstive, yet secluded area...
 
 
flufeemunk effluvia
22:17 / 27.04.04
Oh dear... fnord maybe it is fnord a way of delivering fnord sublimifnordnal messages fnord
 
 
FinderWolf
19:23 / 29.04.04
shit! I forgot I ever even posted this topic!!

I bet the ghosts cause the infrasound.
 
 
SiliconDream
21:26 / 29.04.04
I wonder if elephants could exploit this? We know they communicate via ultrasound...maybe they rumble at predators to freak them out?

I mean, I know I'd shit my pants if I was faced with an angry bull elephant anyway--but this could be part of the reason.

Who wants to grab an infrasound mike and a tape recorder and go pick fights with elephants?
 
  
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