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Memetic Inbreds

 
 
SMS
03:39 / 08.09.03
Or how can magic be used to fight the scourge of memetic inbreeding?

Or should you?
 
 
diz
04:29 / 08.09.03
pardon my ignorance, but what is memetic inbreeding? is it when some group of people get isolated in one area and recycling the same old memes rather than having a more open info-flow?
 
 
Aertho
13:48 / 08.09.03
Summon The Hanged Man and pray for The Tower to fall.
 
 
SMS
15:02 / 08.09.03
Jeezus, more or less. I think it happens not from geographic isolation, but from isolation from outside ideas.
 
 
Aertho
16:29 / 08.09.03
WHERE, in this media-littered, info-consuming, global market is there somewhere "safe" from "outside ideas"?
 
 
Char Aina
18:21 / 08.09.03
within an ideology that has the correct 'antiviral software' built in.


like god's oft mentioned innefability.
 
 
Char Aina
18:22 / 08.09.03
sorry, God's inefability.

y'know. jesus' dad.
 
 
Aertho
19:12 / 08.09.03
i don't get what you're saying.

memetic antiviral programs as part of a personality defense construct? Or ethnocentric worldview reinforced by us/not us dogma? I can talk morrison garble junk just like you can and we'll still get nowhere. Let's talk examples and solve problems as they arise.

There's no one way to solve other people's fulcrum growths excpet through compassion and communication, and that takes time. More time than you or I or any INDIVIDUAL wants to wait.
 
 
SMS
20:58 / 08.09.03
So I'm watching, reading, and listening to too much news, so the first example that comes to my mind, unfortunately, is political. I've noticed that a number of opinions are held in large blocks. For instance, if someone says that President Bush declared the end of war in Iraq, you can almost stop listening because you know where it's going, you know what political parties they have sympathies to and so on. You might be able to guess what they're reading, too.

But toksik said more or less what I was thinking---anti-viral software. In casual philosophy, an empiricist might be more likely to read more empiricists than rationalists, because it seems to make more sense. As a result, he develops more arguments against rationalism, and finds them more and more nonsensical and therefore less worthwhile reading. When he does read the rationalist, he would then regard her with less authority (This woman's a real nut-job). I'm not claiming that philosophers actually do this kind of thing, but I have a tendency to do it and I think I'm not unique for it.

Um... So I'm looking for where magic falls into all of this, because I'm sure it does.
 
 
Char Aina
21:26 / 08.09.03
I can talk morrison garble junk just like you can

when i first read that i thought you were being a tad unfair, but mayeb you really need me to expand...

god is innefable.
you CAN NOT understand him; it is a part of his brilliant plan that you will not be able to 'get' it.

along comes a bloke with ideas, and some of them relating to your god's great plan. some of them are fine, as they fit with what you believe. some of them are about understanding the nature of god. as you believe these ideas to be by their naure wrong, like a computer would a virus, you not only will not believe them, but are likely to react in a hostile manner to the entity(ie the bloke) bearing them.

my point is that in certain memeplexes, or ideologies, there are such failsafes to prevent those ideologies becoming weakened by outside ideas.
(it should maybe be noted here that the memeplex or it's originator would not have actively planned this defence, it would have come about by Natural Selection.)
 
 
Char Aina
21:43 / 08.09.03
i think where the magic would come in (if you consider it to be such) would be when such defenses are actively planned, or actively destroyed using viral concepts more craftily designed than the firewall around the school of thought you wished to reach.

how would one convince the world to be kinder to the unfortunate? how would one convince jerry falwell that gay people are not really all that bad? how could i get my boss to value any music made by black people?

that sort of thing.
 
  
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