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Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:15 / 08.02.02
They're trying to ban abortion in Ireland again...

And here's who is trying to stop them.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
13:44 / 09.02.02
nice link, loz.

we've probably debated this one here many a time. i have to say, though, that even at my age (34) i'm still incapable - emotionally and financially - of being a good mother. so it's just as well it's unlikely i'll ever become pregnant.
 
 
polo
10:10 / 11.02.02
Just in case anyone is confused by this message - they didn't try to ban abortion previously and fail to do so.
In fact, abortion has always been illegal in Ireland. In the seventies, anti-abortion people in Ireland became fearful that a liberal Irish supreme court, in combination with a liberal/left wing government might allow abortion to be introduced, as it had been in the US. They lobbied for and won a specific anti-abortion clause to be written into the constitution, which they won in the early eighties. However the wording was so bad that it lead in the late eighties to a case where the State was obliged to prevent a teenage rape victim from leaving the country to have an abortion in the UK. The girl, distressed by this, became suicidal, and the supreme court took the view that her life was endangered and therefore would allow the abortion to take place in Ireland. The right to travel and information issues of this notorious, "X" case were tackled by a subsequent modification of the constitution, but not the "substantial issue" of the case - i.e. did the ban on abortion mean that a suicidal woman would still be denied the abortion in the country.
That's what the new referndum will tackle. It's complex, but the core of the referendum vote is on whether the threat of suicide should be grounds to allow abortion. A Yes vote will mean that a pregnant woman who says she will kill herself if she is denied an abortion will not be allowed to have one.
That, at least, is the abridged version. Apologies if this doesn't give all the details.

Dave
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:47 / 11.02.02
Thanks for that polo... I was in a rush when I originally posted the link and forgot to go back and clarify it later.
 
 
Rage
11:14 / 12.02.02
Sorry for being picky, but isn't it "every sperm is great"?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:21 / 12.02.02
Did anyone else hear the item on the radio this morning (Today prgramme) about an anti-abortion group who are trying to ban the sale of the morning-after pill (which FYI is available over the counter here atm) on the grounds that it is a substance designed to induce a miscarriage - which is illegal, according to some Victorian law. Very scary, because their argument is that a woman can be said to be pregnant when the egg is fertilised, even before it has become implanted in the womb lining - and therefore than the morning-after pill causes miscarriage, becasue it prevents implantation...

BBC article
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
11:37 / 12.02.02
Onthe bright side, I believe the government has said that, if this is made process, they will immediately rush a law through reenabling the sale of the morning-after pill, and thus perversely simplifying and making more logical British law. The pill probably won't even cease to be available. Still really quite frightening though...
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:07 / 12.02.02
[pedantic rot]
quote:Originally posted by Know that Rage knows that you know:
Sorry for being picky, but isn't it "every sperm is great"?
not if it's pulled from the part of the song that continues "every sperm is needed in your neighbourhood."
[/pedantic rot]

[ 12-02-2002: Message edited by: The Return Of Rothkoid ]
 
  
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