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Stone circles and the history of the Pentacle

 
 
KnofC
12:31 / 03.09.03
Okay, so i've been doing some research into stone circles up in Cumbria (a region in the NW of England known as the Lack District, due to the fact there are many large lakes there). This all started when i was an archaeology under-grad doing an essay on archaeoastronomy (how ancient sites align with heavenly bodies). I stumbled accross some stuff done by this guy called Alxeander Thom. Basically he was a professor in engineering and was the first person to systematically document man made stone features in Scotland and England.

So, being of engineering stock, he did all this very well, using all the correct surveying techniques available at the time. Now, when he came to do the circles in the Lakes he found that they weren't exactly circular, and wondered why. It's not that a circle is hard to plan (stick in the ground, long length of string, etc), and if your gonna go to all the trouble of dragging them heavy ol' stones all the way to a site through mountains and whatnot, why be lazy about how you set them out?

Well, to cut the story short, he did a big ol' study into this phenomena, and came up with the idea that these circles were actually set out with precise geometrical paterns based on a measurement he called 'the mesolithic yard'.

i managed to dig up some of these plans, and the geometrical figures he drew inside these circles looked enticingly similar to your friend and mine, the pentacle.

since then other archaeologists have largely dismissed his findings, running all sorts of computer simulations on circle formation and interal geometries. Fair enough i thought, ther argument against him seems pretty tight, and i largely forgot about it all.

however (insert dramatic music here), during my dissertation (on the oldest of these circles and how they related to the stone axe trade) i found that there are two circles which seem to defy all laws of probability, and could well point to the fact that Thom may have been correct after all.

These circles are Castlerigg, which is just slightly NW of Keswick, and Burnmoor, just a little west of a small village called Boot. Now these two circles are quite significantly far from each other, and yet you can perfectly super-impose the ground plans of these circles ontop of one another with only a small variation on a few of the stones.

i say to you that this is unlikely to have happens coincidently, and as such must have been planned using the internal geometric patterns which look suspiciously like the pentacle.

i was wondering if any of you know any histories of how the pentacle came about, because i'm thinking that its pre-cursor could well have appeared during the Neolithic.

so, thanks for reading this far, and let me know what you think!
 
 
cusm
15:56 / 03.09.03
Got any pictures or diagrams of this? I'm curious to see what they look like now.
 
 
KnofC
16:32 / 03.09.03
alas and alak, i don't at present, i haven't access to a scanner, and i have't found any pictures on the web, not any sites that are particularly enlightening.

however steps ar being taken to prove that this is a viable theory, and i'm not a simple crackpot with delusions.

hell, i'd be the first to admit it all sounds a bit fishy, and the books this all came from are archaeological journals, which people generaly don't have access to.

also i don't know hosw to get pictures up on the forum

hmmm, me thinks one needs to get ones arse in gear, what?
 
 
cusm
15:50 / 05.09.03
The blueprints in question, posted for KnofC:





 
 
cusm
15:53 / 05.09.03
Now what I notice straight off, is that the pentacle forms in each are facing the same direction, based on the map's key for North. This would indicate to me that each is lined up with some other structure, presumably astrological in nature, and the pentacle form either coincidental to that or purposeful in the choice of the astrological feature chosed to align with. Which immediately begs the question, what are the stones in question aligned with?
 
 
Salamander
16:17 / 05.09.03
The circles all seem to be mishapen in the same way alright, the earliest use of the pentacle I know of was by the pythagorean society, because it contained the golden ratio. Maybe you should see if this proportion is in these diagrams.
 
 
KnofC
17:03 / 05.09.03
just a bit of explanation as to what you are actually looking at here.

the top picture is Burnmoor stone circle, showing the geometric shape within.
the second is an overlap of brunmoor and castlerigg stone circles. as you can see the two are indistinguishable, which i believe is the strongest evidence of the fact that geometry is being used in their creation.
the third is long meg, this circle is actually based around an earlier mesolithic standing stone (long meg herself)


studied on an anthropological level all societies of 'only just got into farming' sort of technological level (which is the tech level that we're talking about here) have always had a strong religious/mystical theology based around the heavens.

As seasons pass new stars and constellations rise and fall seeming intrinsically linked to the seasonal pattern, and therefore the farming/subsistance calendar.

it would seem plausable, then, that they could well be aligning these geometric patterns to the North star, the pin which holds the heavens in place. Other thoughts is that it could well be aligned with the 'arms' of the shape lying across the E/W line, ie. the rising/setting sun. Or maybe even both (that is, after all, how we came to have our current compass directions.). in support of this in my study i found that many of the stone circles had slightly taller stones on each of the four cardinal points.
 
  
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