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Can you really be taken seriously as a digital artist?

 
 
Warewullf
12:58 / 30.08.03
Can you really be taken seriously as a digital artist?

I create art on my computer. Now, I'm not great but I'm definitely getting better and thanks to various allergies, I have no choice but to create my work entirely on a PC. (Also, it lets me create actual copies of what I see in my head. Something I couldn't do "by hand", ie. painting or drawing)

What I was wondering is how seriously this form of art is taken? I mean, there are arguemnts to be made about computers doing a lot of the work, in particular when using pre-made figures in your images. (eg. 3D human figures from a program like "Poser")
Also, since the image is entirly digital, if you decide to print it off, what stops it from being just a Poster and makes it art? Is it the intent of the artist?

Would you, for example, go to see an exhibition of work that you knew was done entirely in Photoshop?

The only comparsion I can think of in terms of physical format is Photography. When you go to see a photography exhibit, you're seeing big print-outs, essentially. The original, the negative, is somewhere else so I guess a you could say the same about digital art. You know, you're looking at a big print-out but the original file in on a PC somewhere.

Sorry, if this is a bit disjointed but It's something I've been thinking about for a while and I'd really like to know what y'all think.
And sorry if this has been brought up before.
 
 
at the scarwash
22:13 / 30.08.03
CG Art, like photography or any of the various printmaking media, is a medium that is intrinsically based in reproduction. Asking if it's any less valid because the supposed original resides on a hard drive is pretty damned silly. You can't see it on the hard drive. It might as well not exist. Visual art is only real if it's being seen, right? The fact that you can print it out, or open it on screen all over the world is simply the way that this particular visual art manifests itself, and is inextricable from the medium.
 
 
telyn
23:18 / 31.08.03
Would you go to see an exhibition of work that you knew was done entirely in photoshop?

If I wanted to see the exhibition and I couldn't obtain the images any other way, why wouldn't I go? I imagine that there are people who prefer there art to be made with paint and canvas, just as there are those who love classical music. The choice becomes one of personal taste.

Personally I don't believe that the physical act of creation is what makes art 'art'. For me, a work of art is all in the finished object or image. Therefore it doesn't matter how you made it, just what it is at the end. Neither do I think that ease of reproduction devalues art in terms of meaning (obviously it could financially). The artistic merit of an album isn't lowered because it can be made on computer and bought on cd.

Can you really be taken seriously as a digital artist?
Who do you want to take digital art seriously?

I think that how the art (digital or otherwise) is used has most effect on how 'seriously' it is taken. For instance, you might not pay as much attention to an advertisement as to a work in a gallery.
 
 
gornorft
00:38 / 20.09.03
In my own little world I've found that digital art has destroyed the 'analog' artist in me. Now, this is just me I'm talking about, not the world or even the art world. I am a graphic designer by trade but please don't hold that against me. I used to do a lot of things purely for the sake of artistic expression beyond the confines of my work role. I would make images using my old camera and my own darkroom, or using paint and canvas, or pencil/charcoal/conté and paper, or bits of string and material or clay or welded metal or paper or cat faeces or... whatever worked for me at the time with what I wanted to do. Now I work all day, every day, on a mac and I do a lot of stuff using Poser, Lightwave, Bryce, PhotoShop, FreeHand, Illustrator... anything that will let me easily produce what I've got stuck in my head as quickly and accurately as possible. I now use a digital camera and I mess around with the images in PhotoShop and if I want it to look like a charcoal drawing, well there's a plug-in filter for that. It's not a very GOOD filter but if I manipulate the image on multiple layers and get into layer effects using a bunch of KPT filters and then merge and run the charcoal filter and multiply and blah blah blah it can look pretty damn excellent. It takes ages to come up with a technique that will produce a look I might be happy with. It will be unique because there are so many possible combinations of steps and stages and filters that no two people would ever be likely to do something exactly the same way, but when you've worked it out once you can save it all as a single Action and do it all with one click from then on to any image you care to apply it to

So in theory I should be able to work both ways now, right? If I wanted to create something I should have the option of going either way. The argument is that either method requires an ability to go through whatever artistic processes, both mental and physical, are inate to me as a person and which enable me to be creative. Just as the old argument that anyone can pick up a pencil and put it to paper but only some can actually 'draw' can be applied to art in its most basic definition, then it should also hold true that although anyone can operate a computer, only some will actually be able use it to create 'art' . In this sense I suppose one would have to assume that digital art is no different to non-digital art. It's just a different set of tools.

An ability to draw or paint is a learned thing, to a degree, and artists usually acquire a 'style' that is, in a way, an ability to reproduce actions and interpret an object or a thought onto a physical platform, be it 2 or 3 dimensional. Using a computer is, again, the same in as much as actions are learned and repeatable, except it's not the artist that's doing the repeating. I could paint a hand on a canvas using paints one day and then paint another one the following day but they won't be the same in an infinite number of ways. I could create a hand on my computer one day and do another the following YEAR that is exactly the same in every definable way. If I wanted to go to the trouble of bothering to do it again that is, and why would you when there's a file saved there I can just grab and duplicate? But if I did want to bother, if that became part of the artistic process for me, and I could be bothered getting right down into the numbers level of everything that was involved, I could make something which by any definition was identical to the original.

People would look at the two painted hands and remark on the skill, the emotive brush strokes, the sheer crappiness of them both, or whatever. It doesn't matter. The thing is that it would be obvious that something had been created which they themselves could not have done in quite the same way, if at all. There would be something individual about the pieces that makes them mine, the work of the artist. Those same people would look at the computer versions and realise that computers are bloody clever things, and possibly no more than that.

I have immense respect for anyone who creates anything in any medium, usually. Personally I enjoy working digitally over other methods and it's a hell of a lot easier to make money this way too. It's quicker, cleaner, there's no mess to clean up afterwards. If someone looks at something I've created on screen over my shoulder, or that has spat out of my printer they go "wow" and tell me I'm great. It's a buzz. But if I took that printout, framed it and put it in a gallery next to a painting, they would need to be reminded that there was even a person involved in the digital image at all. They'd admire the artist who created the painting, they'd admire the technology that enabled the digital picture.
 
 
gornorft
00:50 / 20.09.03
The point being, by the way, that if I can't realistically expect people to look beyond the technology involved, then I can't expect to be taken as seriously for the work I create in that medium. On some levels I have to agree with those making that kind of judgement. I spend half of the time I use creating things digitally admiring the technology myself, so why shouldn't they? I am a lesser part of the whole than I would be working in any other medium.
 
  
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