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Julie Burchill reads comics

 
 
sleazenation
22:42 / 25.08.03
Very nearly missed this in the Guardian at the weekend since I can seldom bring myself to read Burchill's florid ravings (thanks to Rich Johnston for bringing it to my attention ) but it appears that the squeeky voiced one has discovered not only that not all comics are for kids but some of them are so good that reading them shouldn't automatically result in the loss of voting rights. So that's alright then.

So, nearly 20 years on from the first such 'comics aren't just pap for kids' stories (and nearly 40 years since it started to be true again) What do people think of this kind of reporting?

Is there still a place for it? Do the masses still need education? Or has their been enough of a trickle down and trickle up effect on both producers and consumers of popular culture that we are all kind of aware of comics now ? Do articles that simply reiterate the old preconceptions against comics, even if only to provide some historical contect to the form, run the risk of perpetuating the view of comics as kiddie fodder as somehow valid?

Has the arguement been won and if so what next? What do you think?

First one to conduct a focus group to find the answers wins a prize...
 
 
dlotemp
02:35 / 26.08.03
Y'know sleaze....I read that silly article and quickly became totally lost when Julie went off on that tangent about war. WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THAT!

His or her voting rights should be removed for poor writing. Burchill seemed to have a hard time keeping a coherent thought.

Did anybody else read that article and scratch their heads?
 
 
_Boboss
07:34 / 26.08.03
it was a deeply incoherent little lick of piss, just like everything else she writes. she's the kind o folk who only likes people who remind her of herself. creepy
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:26 / 26.08.03
If I'd bothered to read it (I usually read Burchill but didn't pick up a paper this weekend) I'm sure it would have turned me off comics for life.
 
 
Irony of Ironies
10:45 / 26.08.03
I love her because she constantly attempts to rip Brighton council to shreds - and there's no council in the country more deserving.
 
 
Sax
11:18 / 26.08.03
I always get vaguely annoyed when people react to mainstream media coverage of comics in a petulant way, as though they're angry that a discussion of, say, X-Statix or something in the Guardian isn't given the same depth of loving, doe-eyed admiration as you might find on newsarama.com.

The fact is that most people in the world don't really think comics are a viable means of telling a story to adults. Things might have improved upon that score in recent years, but the majority will still roll their eyes and not be able - and, more to the point, can't be bothered - to make a distinction between the Beano, Ultimate X-Men and Palestine.

We've got to come to terms with the fact that there's nothing actually wrong with this. If people don't want to read comics, then let 'em continue not to do so. Unless you're a particular type of comic evangelist - and, let's face it, who'd want to invite someone like that round for a party? - the fact that the world at large either ignores one of your favourite media or takes the piss out of it is a bit... so what?

Once you take away Burchill's Saturday column's usual plethora of me-me-me-ness and guff about voting rights which, let's face it, we know she doesn't really mean but that's her stock in trade writing style, you actually get a piece about a woman who used to think comics were tripe but has now changed her mind.

Fanboys should be rejoicing because someon's writing a pro-comics article and name-checking Daniel Clowes, and then they should be coming in their Hulk underoos because the piece is written by a girl.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:38 / 26.08.03
Well, given that Burchill's a worthless hack, and that this piece is so incoherently written and paced that it's a wonder that it was ever published in its present form, I don't think this is anything to be outraged or grateful for.

See, what this piece actually boils down to is:

i) that she didn't used to think it was worthwhile for an adult to read comics

ii) that experience of some well-produced examples of the medium changed her mind

iii) that she still doesn't think comics should go anywhere near serious issues such as 'war', but should stick to being part of the "plush part-time playpen" that we get to indulge in as a western capitalist society

iv) oh, and that she's pro-Bush and Blair since Iraq II, and anti-homophobia.

But that's all she says about that. The first half of the rather short article is devoted to reminding people that they've probably heard of her, and that she's always been spiffingly controversial, hasn't she, eh? Eh?

I wonder... if I got my name changed to Julie Burchill, would I be able to get my mortgage paid every month with this kind of five-minute-wonder? Ah, the fuck with it. I'm not sure my conscience would let me get away with it...
 
 
Sax
13:48 / 26.08.03
Don't be silly. Julie Burchill's not real. She just says all those things to get wishy-washy liberal Guardian readers either a) all wound up so they'll have something to say over their lattes on Saturday afternoon or b) secretly pleased that someone else is saying what they're thinking but are not allowed to vocalise because they are wishy-washy liberal Guardian readers.

Plus, reading Burchill means you don't have to spend extra money on buying the Daily Mail to get in a lather.
 
 
sleazenation
18:57 / 26.08.03
Interesting - Wasn't just thinking of Burchill's piece but - press coverage in general.

I find Sax's response quite interesting - while i realise the time constraints etc on journalists usually preclude all but the most basic research (something that Burchill's piece exceeds admirably)- My point isn't supposed to be pointing the holes in Burchill's writing - it's more that most people who are switched on to comics in the media industry are at least aware of a range of comics out there - and are aware that others have beaten them to 'the big scoop' that comics are not in fact just for kids. My point is - Didn't Burchill's point strike anyone as a little out of date - even for the mainstream press?

Comics are now winning best book awards with increasing regularity - people are now finding comics shelved according to content rather than medium - Isn't it true that we are now in a new age of comics covrage - or am i deluding myself?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:08 / 26.08.03
I just wish she'd decided to write an article that called for the immediate enforced lobotomising and sterilization of comic readers over the age of 13, then she might have put some fucking effort into the piece. As it is her article is hardly a ringing bell of support for the medium as implicit in what she says is that she thinks 90% of the medium is shit, so it's the 'some comics are all right, those ones written for clever people like me, the rest are a sickening blight on the planet' syndrome, ignoring the fact that 'even' Superman or X-Men are capable of making serious points occasionally.
 
 
dlotemp
01:55 / 27.08.03
I think I was the one who questioned the holes in her writing so you can absolve yourself of that sin, sleazenation.

I think perhaps the worst offense of the article is her attitude. I'm not British, I don't live in Britain, and I'm not all familiar with Burchill and her points about British politics. So my initial impression of her is that she is a shallow individual who's appreciation of the world ends somewhere just inside her front door. Consequently, the erratic article sort of betrayed that attitude. Is that a crime? God no. Most posters on the Internet would be jailed if that were a crime. She's just annoying. Anyone who reads MAUS or PALESTINE can tell that comics or sequential art can tackle so-called serious issues.

As far as serious mainstream press, I've noticed that TIME Magazine, a popular weekly news periodical in the States, has given serious attention to comics. Last week's issue had an interview with Harvey Pekar, and profiles on the new books BLANKETS and NIGHTMARE ALLEY. All of the articles treated the books with respect and was thankfully missing any condescending tones about "wow, comics have grown up!". Furthermore, TIME proclaimed the Bros. Herandez of LOVE AND ROCKETS fame as modern story telling masters when TIME made their list of cultural innovators for the new century. So cultural respect and attention is slowly creeping into the mainstream over here in the States.
 
 
The Falcon
02:22 / 27.08.03
Och, there are plenty journalists care and know about comics. I think about every paper in Britain has one.

I've read tons of positive and interesting articles about Moore-o, Morrison was declared Scotland's 57th most important creative type in The Scotsman recently, The Independent on Sunday's Nick Hasted declared The Invisibles the "defining work of the '90's", lauding Morrison's interaction (as opposed, presumably to reflection - the quote's on the back of the 'Apocalipstick' trade) with readers, loadsa stuff about Underground comix when 'Ghost World' came out, Mark Millar gets plenty of wee pieces with his latest controversial move, even The Times TV listings for a documentary about comics said they were an important artform which "always had something to say".

Julie Burchill's a dick, but Sax is quite right to say her articles simply come from a 'provocative' persona. Jacques Peretti does the same thing much better.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:12 / 27.08.03
Julie Burchill equals Littlejohn in a fat suit, anyone?

Also I have this theory she's actualy blind and "sees" in ultrasound with that squeeky fucking little girl voice of hers.

We have that Guardian, I couldn't bring myself to read her as per usual.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
11:18 / 27.08.03
ALSO ALSO ALSO she reads serializer.net? Jesus Christ. I'm tempted to cancel my subscription, where it not for the fact that Thor Jensen's latest is still incomplete.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:58 / 27.08.03
Didn't Burchill's point strike anyone as a little out of date - even for the mainstream press?

The majority of the points that Burchill puts across are out of date, often by about twenty years. She's been left behind on sexuality, women's rights, politics and literature. Not quite sure how she worked herself in to that position but I haven't read anything by her in the Guardian that screamed awareness... ever. I sometimes wonder if she actually writes this stuff or just pulls it out of a folder marked early '80s. This appears to be pretty much in line with her usual perspective.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:12 / 30.08.03
At the risk of sounding like King Mob's schoolteacher in Entropy, the thing about ms burchill is that she started out as angry young punk writer, and now shes trying to be angry yet sensible and worldy. It doesn't work. I.E. the sex pistols guy can say "fuck the queen" but he wouldn't have a clue what to do about actually running the country.

The point that she reads comics is, I guess, her attempt at still trying to be part of this whole "alternative-grunge-youth-punk-ripped jeans" thing. I think she maybe had some good things to say about mr Cobain from a feminist poiint of view, but apart from that her recent stuff is really quite past it's sell by date.

Interestingly, today, it seems someone has been conscientious enough to write into the guardian and suggest that she read "transmetropolitan". Ah, in a perfect world...
 
 
■
13:20 / 30.08.03
Also interstingly (and probably more appositely), another letter thought she was talking about comedians when she said "comics".
 
 
The Natural Way
11:29 / 31.08.03
Special:

If it is words then it can be about important things like war and George Bush.

If it is words and pictures then it can only be about silly things that are nice and fun with lasers out of heads.


Less annoying, more head-scratchingly dumb. Just seems like such a completely pointless, obviously bollocksy, stance to take.

So then slightly annoying because can't work out why a grown up would go on like a teenager. Chris is right: striking the balance between PUUUUUUAAAAAARGHNK and adult is vere difficult (nigh impossible). P'raps a wasted effort - maybe Jules should try a new schtick.

Back to Sleaze and the 'outdated' thing: Don't see the point in 'Comics are for adults, too!' articles. I mean, they're just dull. My problem has less to do with them being outdated and more to do with wanting to read stuff with a bit of depth. Y'know, Journalism that doesn't stop at the fucking beginning. I just want the whole adults/kids thing to be a non-issue. And, let's face it, anyone that really believes comics must be for kids are more than a little stupid and 'give a fuck about their opinions and their choice in reading matter. I repeat:

If it is words then it can be about important things like war and George Bush.

If it is words and pictures then it can only be about silly things that are nice and fun with lasers out of heads.
 
  
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