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Matthew Fluxington
14:19 / 25.08.03
What do you think of them? Have you spent much time around them? What are the worst kinds of rich kids? The best kinds? Have you ever dated someone from a significantly richer family than you? How do you think rich kids have it better? How do they have it worse?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:44 / 25.08.03
Well, they have more money then me, to begin with. However, if you dress nicely they will treat you with awe and respect and give you things, just because they want to. Thus, I dress nicer then I really should afford. Image is an illuision, and I always did like tricks...
 
 
Fist Fun
15:23 / 25.08.03
When I went to university there were loads of posh kids in my classes and in halls. Had a bit of a knee jerk hatred reaction. Mainly because they all seemed very self confident, had access to loads of cool stuff things (money, cars, great primary and secondary school education, gap years, not having to work during holidays) that weren't available to my good self.

Now that I am big and grown up I know that I shouldn't have knee jerk reactions and should treat everyone as individuals.
 
 
The Strobe
15:55 / 25.08.03
Can you define "rich"? I mean, is this "richer than me" or "really fucking rich"? Are posh and rich the same? My education was paid for and I know I am comfortable, but I'd never ever suggest I was rich. Does the fact I have an accent recognisable as Southern (UK) make me a rich/posh kid?

To answer your question, I know some stupidly "rich" kids. The ones I am very good friends with, you wouldn't know they were rich til you saw their parents home. The ones whom it drips off I tend to be wary of. The ones who make it quite clear how rich they are I tend to dislike.

Knee jerk reactions tend to piss me off. Most of my good friends at University were normal, comprehensive school kids; some were definitely what you'd call "rich". Many of the rich kids flock together for safety, and that's depressing at times; but it is all about what you've grown up with and what you know.

In general, though, I tend to judge people with more money than me the same as people with less money than me. Dicks are, after all, dicks, however rich.
 
 
sleazenation
16:23 / 25.08.03
can you define kids? are we talking 12 year old richie rich clones? people younger than you? 'the kids'?

and more to the point, why do you ask?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:38 / 25.08.03
Well, I kept things vague because I just wanted people to riff on whatever came to mind. I'd personally say that kids can go from children all the way up to people in their mid-20s. And you can quantify wealth however you like - I'd personally categorize wealth as people who are obviously very rich and even most people who would fall into the American upper-middle class. I'm not exactly sure how that translates in UK terms - I've always understood that "middle class" in UK terms is roughly equivalent to upper-middle class/moderately wealthy in US terms.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:44 / 25.08.03
Oh, and I'm only asking because this came up elsewhere, and I thought it'd be interesting to bring the topic over to Barbelith.

I was thinking this morning about why it is that sometimes nice rich kids with liberal views who do a lot of charity and activism and are accutely aware of their own privilege sometimes bother me more than obnoxious asshole rich kids. I'm not sure why I feel that way sometimes.

I can't blame rich kids too much - they are just products of their environment, and y'know, they didn't choose this life. I don't fault people for from coming from poor families. And I don't think being rich is a bad thing - I mean, they are benefitting from someone's success, and in general terms, I think getting a lot of money for doing your work is a good thing. I wish it'd happen to more people. I certainly wouldn't mind eventually making a lot of money. I don't think rich kids have super easy lives - lots of things that are really hard for some people may be totally easy in a really repulsive way for them, but they don't live problem-free lives. Lots of them get really fucked up, and have insane family lives.

I think that in my experience with rich, nice, relatively well adjusted, super-liberal young people, it just seems like they share a general naïveté - they usually know things, they have an understanding of how things work, they aren't ignorant, but they don't seem to relate to the rest of the world very well. They may be concerned about other people, and do their best to help, but ultimately they are quite positive and chipper about other people's problems because they can afford to be. They have the cash to be optimistic and self-satisfied. Maybe someday I can make enough money so that I can overcome my pessimism about the world, or at least my kids can.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:09 / 25.08.03
Rich little bastards with their public school confidence and material good fortune! I had a crinkle cut chip on my shoulder when I first left the DH Lawrentian world I grew up in to mix with a wider circle of other "kids" at University, a disproportionate number of whom had come from very privileged backgrounds compared to my own.

I learned that those rich little bastards could be good friends in fair or foul weather or utter shits, like people from every other walk of life and I stopped using social background as a measure of anything. Who they were and how usefully they lived their lives far outweighed any other consideration. The rest is like any other prejudice.

The malignant chip still resurfaces on my shoulder occasionally when I think about some chinless git in the abstract (e.g. fucking Prince Edward) but usually vanishes quick enough when I think about one guy I looked after when I was a nurse.

He was the fruit of some of the richest, plummiest, bluest-blooded loins in the land and he'd never wanted for anything. That simple fact had fucked him up so much he knew the value of nothing and died in misery after a wretched life, missed by nobody at all so far as I could tell. Bit of a tit all ways round. He had everything material you could wish for and absolutely nothing of any real value that he'd earned or achieved for himself.

Paleface is right. A dick's a dick, whether wearing black tie or a shell suit.
 
 
Mazarine
17:44 / 25.08.03
It totally depends on the kid. Most rich kids are spoiled, but there are the kids who are aware that they're spoiled and admit it, and then there are the ones who say things like "Nuh uh, just because my daddy bought me a third SUV after I totaled the first two doesn't make me spoiled!"

A lot of rich kids in that first group get put upon because people assume they're in the second group, and that kinda sucks for them.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
18:26 / 25.08.03
Right now I feel inordinately jealous of anyone who has enough money to be able to pursue their interests without having to rely on public funding. However. For the last year I have in fact been that person, through the kind offices of my family (i.e. they brought a legacy forward without which I would not have been able to study this past year). I was pretty broke for a lot of the time anyway, but I did choose not to work until the long vacation, so...

I pretty much think of myself as well off. I know that if I get into trouble, my parents will be able to help out in one way or another, even if only in the short term. I'd rather not have to ask, but if I do... It concerns me that I will probably not be able to do the same for younger members of my family in the future, unless I get my act together in the next couple of years.

There were some very wealthy people around when I was an undergraduate, but I didn't really know any of them very well. They did, however, seem to know each other - probably the higher up you get, the smaller the social circle (the upper 10,000 and all that). But basically, they didn't impinge on my life, and I didn't impinge on theirs. I am sure that some were very pleasant and some were ghastly, but as everyone has said, this is true of any group of people and your mileage may vary as to which people you find pleasant and which you find ghastly.

I do imagine that never having to worry about being able to do what you want to do would create a very peculiar attitude to the world - a sort of lese-majeste, or possibly I mean droit de seigneur except not only in sexual matters. But I don't know how accurate that perception is.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
18:34 / 25.08.03
I dunno.

I grew up lower middle class, so there has always been a bit of anger toward people who didn't have to put themselves through school and didn't need their salary as much as I did. Now that I have gotten off the money track and do social service work, I see them as not as well off in the mental health department, as they don't have to face the consequences of their actions as much.

America is weird though.

We tend to dislike the rich individually (a quick way to make a movie villain in a comedy is to have them be a snotty rich person who doesn't work) and yet we tend to think that they are better than us, and look to put them in positions of authority. Look at the positive coverage of Bush in American media (who was born to wealth) compared with the negative coverage of Clinton (who came from poverty).

At least in the US, it used to be that politicians would talk about how they came up from nothing to prove they are worthy of leadership. Now they talk about how they come from "outisde Washington" but have wealthy families.

The few "rich kids" I have known (from very wealthy families) seem incapable of dealing with the kind of things I have had to (living paycheck to paycheck, and the like). But then again, I wouldn't know how to deal with their problem either.
 
 
Lurid Archive
19:20 / 25.08.03
Yeah, people are people...but, and I don't want to come all over class warfare, class is an issue. On the whole, people can be bad at empathising with others with whom they have had little contact. Thats a general thing, I reckon. But there are some strange things that happen with privilege, or at least money.

For a start, hardly anyone will ever admit to being rich. Or privileged. Comfortable, yeah, no problem. But rich is what *other* people are.

One of the upshots of this, and I see it in education, is that while the indicators tell you of the clear benefits of coming from a certain background, few people who enjoy that privilege see anything unsual about it. So, class issues don't get recognised and don't get addressed. Academia, in particular, can be a very isolated world in this regard, but I suspect it is a rather more general phenomenon.

Like I said, people are people. Warts and all.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
19:24 / 25.08.03
As I sit here in my 13 room house with daddy's sports car on the drive and my new bedroom upstairs, using the wireless internet connection and watching the digital, widescreen television I would like to inform everyone that I am not a rich kid for I have met rich kids. Dated rich kids and realised that what defines a rich kid is their inability to appreciate the luxuries that surround them- oh and they all have swimming pools.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
19:58 / 25.08.03
You know people with their own swimming pools? I take back all I said. Bastard rich kids with aquatic privileges! I bet they have bad skin and tiny willies. But, being as life is not fair, they're probably gorgeous and VWE too.

I suppose the youngsters sleeping under the railway arches around here and panhandling all day look at me and think "privileged, snotty wanker". All a question of where you're at as you look up the scale. The envy is corrosive and pointless except insofar as it may shape a useful political perspective. Still engenders lousy karma.

Amazing how nobody ever describes themselves, in a Loadsamoney kind of way, as "rich". I have to remind myself that, like Pearl Jam's W.M.A. "He won the lottery when he was born" because I'm not grubbing about in anaerobic dirt all day under a burning sun in Africa or dodging bullets in the barrio.

If any of you is richer than me, I won't be offended if you send me your spare cash, btw. I want to buy Ganesh all the bling bling he deserves. It would be so good for your camel/eye-of-needle agility too. I'd be doing you a favour in fact.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
20:31 / 25.08.03
An observation: 'rich' does, of course, take its meaning from where you stand, and the guy above you on the ladder is always 'rich' where you're just 'comfortable'. But the truly rich - for whom boats, houses and jets aren't even scorecards or investments, just facilities they expect - the ones who have achieved the perfect conversion of money into power and vice versa, and whose decisions can have a marked and immediate effect on the way the rest of us live - measure money in 'units'. "How many units has he got? That many? Well, then bring him along..."

A 'unit' being a hundred million dollars.

Like the man said: "The rich are different from us. They're rich."
 
 
w1rebaby
22:19 / 25.08.03
The rich kids I object to are the ones that assume that they're rich because they're superior, and anyone who isn't as rich as they are just isn't trying. Like, say, Ann Coulter.

This is not, of course, confined to the relatively rich within our society. People who aren't rich here but say "well, of course we're richer than those Africans, they're just uncivilised and lazy, we work hard in this country" annoy me just as much.
 
 
SMS
02:27 / 26.08.03
I'm finding it impossible not to be judgmental in this thread, which I find annoying, because I hate to be judgmental for or against people. At first, I thought I could avoid it by just refusing to answer how I feel about rich kids, but the main problem I have is that I keep evaluating each of you based on your responses to the question.

Anyway, to answer the thread question, I don't think I know any rich kids. I'm pretty well off, considering all the stuff I have I don't need, but I cannot think of anyone I have ever met that ever struck me as rich or who I later learned had a great deal of money.

I have, on the other hand, met people who call themselves witches, and I was always told they didn't exist, so maybe rich kids are just a myth.
 
 
Jackie Susann
03:21 / 26.08.03
Well I'm in love with a rich kid, and she don't love me, so I fucking HATE rich kids.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
08:20 / 26.08.03
I cannot think of anyone I have ever met that ever struck me as rich or who I later learned had a great deal of money.

Hmm... well I consider one of my friends in particular quite rich. Her dad controls Weight Watchers in Europe or some such malarkey, they've just built a swimming pool in the backyard and her parents have no style (they have a coffee table with about 30 crystal animals on it, I think it's sick). The thing is she doesn't strike you as rich until you realise that she totally doesn't get money- she's never had a single moment when she thought she was doomed on the financial front. I am accustomed to comfort, so much so that I panic heartily when I think about having no money at all, I know how difficult it is to deal but this girl doesn't have a clue. So I would disagree with Sam Vega though I recognise that people with units are rich, I believe the definition of rich lives somewhere else.

I should also like to draw a distinction between class and money. It is quite possible that a member of the aristocracy could lose all inheritance to the roof of the stately manor yet maintain upper class bearing and continue to socialise within that class. Likewise some folks have made gadzillions but remain working class , for here in our regal British Isles your accent, demeanour and hair say an awful lot about you.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:29 / 26.08.03
Yes, although it's interesting what they say. My accent had me classed as 'posh' by the children of successful barristers and surgeons I was at school with, but anyone from the aristocracy can instantly spot me as a frightful middle class arriviste.
 
 
Sauron
09:15 / 26.08.03
What about incredibly rich home help? Fraely Boyce was forced to sack his old cleaner, J-Lo, after a bizarre moonlighting incident. She has since been replaced by Beyonce, who he is actually now dating.

Does that make him rich by osmosis?


Seriously though, the only thing more fun than snobbery, is inverse snobbery. It's always humour to hate those with cash. And as the last post's accent point proves, one man's rich kid is another man's chimney sweep.
 
 
No star here laces
09:58 / 26.08.03
Rich people are great. I'm especially fond of the disgustingly rich but inveterately vulgar variety. It's so refreshing, because they really don't give a shit. They've got everything they ever wanted and don't care if you're nice to them or not, or if they impress you or not. They have this big string of numbers in their bank account that proves they're just fine, thank you.

Favourite things rich people have said to me:

"This yacht? Yes, it's lovely, I just wish I could take my horses with me when I'm sailing the world in it"
"Oh you mean on television? No, I've been to all the actual formula one races this year..."
"Fuck taxis. If I'm too pissed to drive home, I just stay at the Sanderson."
 
 
Tryphena Absent
10:06 / 26.08.03
I want to marry that last person- a dirty mouth plus money denotes style.
 
 
illmatic
10:25 / 26.08.03
Don’t know if any of you have seen the excellent “No more prisons” by William “Upski” Wimsatt? He’s a former graffiti writer from Chicago who wrote and self-published a great book about graffiti and hip hop called “Bomb the Suburbs”. “No More Prisons” is the sequel, kind of. He details four socio-political topics he’s concerned with, the first being encouraging philanthropy amongst wealthy young people, a spin off from his own experience of discovering he was a lot wealthy than he’d imagined (the others being self-education/homeschooling, the effects of suburban growth/urban planning and building activist organisations). He details a few of the organisations that are out there for helping people manage the effects of their wealth and encourage them to put it to positive uses. I couldn’t help but come out feeling positively disposed to “rich kids” after reading this.

Here’s a link to one of the organisations he talks about - Cool Rich Kids Movement

Would write a bit more about my own feelings etc but am a bit busy – more later.
 
 
Sauron
10:26 / 26.08.03
Jefe raises a good point. The most nauseating people are those not at one with themsleves- at one end, the rich playing the poor card, t'other the social climbers.

Be at one with your money or lack of it.

Keep it real and all that.
 
 
grant
12:23 / 26.08.03
----

A recent, fresh anecdote:

One of my friends, who makes just above a subsistence wage in the suburbs of Atlanta, just had a wealthy aunt pass on. The aunt was eccentric, and had a bit of money, that much my friend knew. Typical Palm Beach old lady. Favorite restaurant was Denny's.

My friend wasn't in the will -- only two grandchildren and an (unrelated) ex-daughter-in-law.

The estate was worth six billion dollars.

My friend, she's been having a lot of lie-downs lately.

---

I don't know what I think of rich kids. 10 or 15 years ago, my answer would have been less complicated.

I went to Palm Beach Public for elementary and junior high. There were mainly servants' kids there, but some of the scions of Palm Beach billionaires with pro-public-school leanings were there too. The Johnsons (of Johnson & Johnson). Bebe Carnegie (great?granddaughter of Andrew). I got along better with the servants' kids. (I was bussed in cuz of the gifted program.)

I always had to work summers, and nobody ever bought me a car. But in high school I got sent to Catholic school. And my dad, he was driving a Mercedes. He has a plane. He uses it for business, and it's a smallish single prop, not a jet, but still. I had to face the fact that for some people, I was rich. For the people around me at school, I was probably average, maybe below. And I didn't much care for them -- the ones who got the cars and never worked.

And then, you know, there was the whole traveling to South Africa thing. Where if you were white, you were "rich." The fruits of apartheid = servants in every home, just about. So I knew what it was to be regarded as rich. I was *really* uncomfortable with that.

So I dunno. Nowadays, I don't like the division. I struggle to pay bills like anyone, I guess, but I live fairly well. Palatial by some standards, a cramped hovel by others.
 
 
Baz Auckland
14:39 / 26.08.03
I never notice if someone's well off or not... one horrible story:

In high school, there was this liitle bastard who was a friend of a friend. He shoplifted his lunch every day from the nearby hospital cafeteria (until the one day security tackled him. ... but the stealing always annoyed us as we knew he was very rich... I thought rich meant sort of well off, but noo.. his dad just bought the Bank of Jamaica last year. 'Rich' meant billions. Wanker.
 
 
grant
19:51 / 26.08.03
I have no idea if this footnote casts any light on the subject or not, but it's too good not to pass on:

The Palm Beach Aunt mentioned in the above anecdote, she got her billions by marrying a tomato farmer. He wanted to break from her family's produce business, so he relocated them to Texas to grow tomatoes.

And struck oil while digging in his tomato fields.

No lie.

Sometimes, people just get lucky.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:19 / 27.08.03
"Fuck taxis. If I'm too pissed to drive home, I just stay at the Sanderson."
It was probably them I saw through my window at work, a couple of years ago, doing coke off the coffee table and jumping up and down on the bed. That'll teach me to be at work in Berners St at 3am.
 
 
suds
18:27 / 28.08.03
i was just talking about this with my best friend the other day. we find it really hard to feel sorry for rich kids, and we can't get on with them.
like this one time when i was in india, this public school rich kid made a list of all the english people in the beach cafe because he said he could guess which ones paid for their schooling and which didn't! he said he could spot brutes a mile off. needless to say he knew i didn't go to public school. i fucking hated him! how rude & insensitive can you be!
anyway, i also grew up in a town which was fairly normal (and *cough* boring) but every summer would be hijacked by rich people who fucked the place up and generally got away with murda because they threw their money about the place.
so freud may very well say thats why i can't feel sorry for rich people, who knows?
 
 
Papess
20:01 / 28.08.03
Rich kids feel pretty good to me. They smell great too!


Bratty rich kids however, look best over my knee with their pants about their ankles.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
20:02 / 28.08.03
It's a little scary what this question has started to reveal. There's a willingness to use generalisations about a group of people connected only by what is acknowledged to be a ludicrously broad designator. Since this group is privileged, it appears to be fair game.

Let's take an example. Sigrid Rausing appears to have transformed the charitable habits of the Rausing family (Tetra Pak) in the UK. She's one of the heirs to the fortune, and lives in a house the size of a small hotel in a fashionable area of West London. On the one hand, Hans Rausing pays less tax in the UK than 40% of his worldwide earnings, and he lives here. On the other, his family dish out £5.7 million a year to charities - who frankly may well spend it on things I approve of more than things Tony Blair may chose to spend it on, such as blowing six kinds of shit out of Iraq. The Rausings, presumably, measure their fortune in those 'units'. The apparent contradiction is sufficient to suggest that they're not to be dealt with in simplistic generalisations.

Where I come from - West Penwith - there's all the kind of distaste for wealthy Londoners you'd expect, even when 'wealthy' is a farcical description for someone who earns a fraction of what many of the big farmers make. At the same time, though, tourism is a lifeline for an area with a ropey economy. So with respect, suds, I don't have all that much sympathy for your dislike of rich people 'fucking up the place'. I've noticed that my neighbours west of Penzance are perfectly capable of fucking up the place without outside help, and that the incomers are often more keen to protect the environment and guard the beauty of the area than their local detractors. Yes, holiday makers can be loud and annoying. On the other hand, they're also necessary for the survival of the community.

So is it just rich kids who are obnoxious about it that people dislike? In other words, is this more about obnoxious people than wealth?
 
 
Papess
20:28 / 28.08.03
Excellent point Sam Vega!


Rich doesn't always mean obnoxious.

But...it is pure anguish to listen to a whiny rich kid (or rich anyone) go on about how unfair it is that daddy (or whoever) won't be renewing the lease to update the Porshe to a current model because they (the rich kid) is flunking out of the Ivy League college that daddy paid for, and now now daddy has to make a large donation to the University in order to get his rich offspring a passing grade and a degree.

I think it is pettiness and ingratefulness that make anyone, really, really unattractive and wholly obnoxious.
 
 
Lurid Archive
20:33 / 28.08.03
There's a willingness to use generalisations about a group of people connected only by what is acknowledged to be a ludicrously broad designator.

True, true. The other striking thing about this "ludricrously broad indicator" is that being in, say, the top ten percent in terms of wealth in the wealthiest country in the world would probably be insufficient to be classed as "rich" for the purposes of this discussion. Sort of like a discussion of height where someone would only qualify as "tall" if they were over eight foot.

I guess thats understandable as rich is a comparative term and by its nature Barbelith self selects for privilege. Still...
 
 
The Apple-Picker
21:35 / 28.08.03
The founder of this thread suggested I contribute something I shared with him outside of this thread. It went a little something like this:

I'm not sure how to describe my background. My dad came from a very poor family--five kids sharing a bedroom, the whole shebang--and my mom came from an upper middle class family. As far as finances, my parents live comfortably but beyond their means. I'm still on their tab since they don't want me to live in the streets. But rich? No no no no no. Not rich.

I haven't been that close with many rich kids, with the exception of my best friend in college. Her immediate family wasn't really that rich, but her entire family had quite a legacy at the school she and I attended. The art building had her last name on it. She was an art student, too, which was a little amusing. It was kind of neat when we'd meet someone new--we never seemed to be without each other--and the person we met would say, "You're So-and-so? As in The So-and-So Art Center?"

A few boys I knew in high school were wealthy. One had a soda fountain in his basement! The other, whom I'd known since kindergarten, had the entire lower floor of his parents' mansion to himself. He had big swingin' parties there. They were fun, but I think he felt used sometimes. He wasn't a very open guy; he didn't talk about how he felt much. I could read him like a book, though, and I never understood how anyone else couldn't. He would say, "You always know how I'm feeling, J." I think maybe other people just didn't care that much about how he was feeling. Though he hung out with a crowd that I thought was crummy sometimes, he was a good guy.

There's this one family that my parents met through Amway in the 80s, and they used to be pretty wealthy, too. Although they had a big house and nice cars and everything, I don't remember ever really thinking about them being rich. I grew up with their son, and so I wasn't all that aware of the distinction. I do remember being incredibly jealous of all his toys, though. He had some great toys. The one I liked the best was this laser gun that had flashing lights in different colors and made electronic sounds. You may not be impressed, but that's all I could think about sometimes when I knew I'd get to come over.

My first real awareness of the difference between rich people and me was in high school. My sister seems to end up with rich guys. One summer I was her chaperone for a swim tournament in Michigan. Her boyfriend C was going to be there. After the meet one day, we went to the mall. I was amazed by how he spent money. He wasn't reckless, frivolous, or embarrassing. Shopping involves choices, but he made different choices than I could make. When I shopped, I'd think, "Okay, I have $25. I can buy one of these or I can buy two of these." And there were things out of my price range. When he shopped, his choices were based on what he wanted. Nothing was out of his price range. He went into stores that I'd always been too afraid to enter because I couldn't afford anything in them. The difference between us was that I was limited and he was not. I had never before seen anyone shop like that, so relaxed and free. I hadn't really imagined that anyone I could know would be able to shop like that. And I wasn't jealous. I wasn't upset. I was only awed. It was so entertaining.
 
  

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