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WEF Protests

 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:25 / 31.01.02
Midtown Manhattan is currently under a state of virtual lockdown, because of today's start of the World Economic Forum at the Waldorf Astoria hotel. By lockdown I mean that streets in the area have jersey barriers erected to control foot traffic, street traffic is strictly controlled, and my girlfriend, hardly someone who looks like a member of the so-called Black Bloc, was stopped several times yesterday and today and ID'd + asked where she was going.

According to an articlein this weeks Village Voice, the WEF is an organization that:

quote:The point of being there, if you average out the participant testimonials and official press releases, is to be Somebody With a Good Idea for the World, Somebody With Money, or both. Connections between these people will organically improve the world, or at least perpetuate the making of money in the world to potentially fund the making better of the world at some point.

The WEF is an NGO that issues no policy or legislation, unlike the WTO, IMF world bank, etc. that have been targeted by the protesters in the past. What is the point of protesting such an organization, which seems a far more accessible forum for smaller players to interact with the "power elite?" Sessions at the WEF

quote:
include "The Paradigm for the Future" (the Huntington vs. Fukuyama cage match); "Rethinking the IMF and the World Bank: More Reform or Complete Redesign?"; "The Role of Islam in the Modern State"; "Bioterrorism: Too Small To Beat?"; and a nightcap about robots and wizards with Paulo Coelho and Bruce Sterling.


It sounds like a forward-thinking group of people (if a little "Wired Magazine"). Why protest, here, and now?
 
 
Captain Zoom
15:39 / 31.01.02
I guess some people think any organization is a bad one. Especially one that claims to want to influence world economics.

Doesn't sound too bad to me. Are there any protests actually ongoing, or organised, or is it just a precautionary measure?

Zoom.
 
 
Ierne
16:35 / 31.01.02
Interesting that the over-the-top presence of the over-the-top NYPD has caused many organizations to back out of anti-WEF protests and rallies.

In a climate where dissent has been called un-American, and the Patriot Act has granted the government new powers to eavesdrop, arrest, and detain, many of the global justice movement's more mainstream players have decided to lie low. The Sierra Club has completely bowed out, while at the fair trade outfit Global Exchange, says cofounder Kevin Danaher, "we are still dusting ourselves off" from the blow of 9-11. The group will conduct only teach-ins. The AFL-CIO had hoped to march, but was denied a permit. So the anarchists and direct action types like Warcry have been left to lead the charge. Not only have they assembled the samba bands, but also, for the first time, the anti-capitalists even negotiated a permit for a march, the only legal one this week. To a great extent, what happens at the WEF showdown—the size and energy and confrontational tone—depends on them...

The reformist perspective is likely to retreat further with groups like the Sierra Club absent from WEF week and the AFL-CIO presence reduced from a march to a rally. Danaher says Global Exchange will focus instead on the alternative World Social Forum in Brazil. Shooting more from the hip, Public Citizen staffer Mike Dolan, an architect of Seattle, says his group has not yet endorsed the one permitted march because the sponsor, Another World Is Possible, "can't guarantee that the event will be nonviolent, and that the movement won't be marred by vandalism." At press time, Drop the Debt, Earth First!, Rainforest Action Network, and the Ruckus Society had all not signed onto the march, either.

With these significant players sitting it out—or penned in by overzealous police—who's left to distribute schedules, run listservs, host spokescouncils, paint banners, and coordinate legal and medical support, food, and housing? The anarchists are making do.


More here.
 
 
Ganesh
20:31 / 31.01.02
D'oh! I thought this was a misplaced Warren Ellis thread...
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
20:58 / 31.01.02
It's truly bizarre up there right now. I work on 51st and Park (across from the Waldorf) and there are more cops on the street then pedestrians / office workers (4,000 of them according to one article). I got ID'd four times going to get coffee yesterday, today they wouldn't even let me walk onto 51st today. I have yet to see a single protester, though...I guess tomorrow and Saturday are the two big days.

[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: Vote for Iron Man Wang ]
 
 
Captain Zoom
20:59 / 31.01.02
Feel free to protest Ellis if you want Ganesh. I'm sure there's a lot of people who'll join you.

Zoom.
 
 
Baz Auckland
11:18 / 01.02.02
At the least, I'm sure it will be fun to see 4,000 police surrounding a dreaded 30 or 50 protesters.... How many millions in security have they spent?
 
 
BioDynamo
11:33 / 01.02.02
Why object to the WEF?

Well, it is THE forum for corporate interests (the membership of the WEF consists of the 1000 most powerful companies in the world) trying to formulate a political policy.

The basic question that was asked in the streets of Davos in the past years and SHOULD (but probably won't) be asked in the streets of New York is: Where Is The Power?

The WEF creates a program, a "wish-list" if you will, that it presents to the governments of the world. This list has concrete measures that the companies of the world "wish" that the governments of the world should enact.

Not surprisingly, they are enacted. For more info, check the Public Eye on Davos homepage.

Basically it is a question of sovereignity: when the power to decide over life and death disappears from the national governments, it will by necessity move somewhere. The WEF is one of many tools in securing a safe transfer of power from the nation state to a supranational "structure" or "logic" that bases it's workings on the needs of capital, not the needs of people.

I wish I could be in New York to protest.
 
 
Jackie Susann
20:58 / 01.02.02
Could people try to be a little bit critical? "I don't understand, the Village Voice makes them sound like good people. What's wrong with those damn protestors?" I am sorry to be touchy, the WEF met in Melbourne a couple years ago and several of us still have issues (and injuries).

Incidentally, a cyber sit-in temporarily shut down the WEF website the other day. Not sure for how long, but still quite an achievement I reckon...
 
 
Jack Fear
01:44 / 02.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Dread Pirate Crunchy:
Could people try to be a little bit critical? "I don't understand, the Village Voice makes them sound like good people. What's wrong with those damn protestors?" ...
We all operate on the basis of available information. The Voice is getting its message out: you, on the other hand, are telling us the WEF is bad because you got beaten up while protesting it. Protesting it why? Protesting it because it's bad. QED.

Critical enough for you?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:19 / 02.02.02
Incidentally, a cyber sit-in temporarily shut down the WEF website the other day. Not sure for how long, but still quite an achievement I reckon...

Okay, now it's really confusing: by this, do you mean the World Economic Forum, or are you adding a factoid about the Warren Ellis Forum because it has been mentioned in this thread?
 
 
Fist Fun
14:57 / 02.02.02
quote:a supranational "structure" or "logic" that bases it's workings on the needs of capital, not the needs of people.


That is interesting. Anyone want to expand on what that statement means? Examples?
 
 
Ierne
16:03 / 02.02.02
Flux: The World Economic Forum's website, as per the BBC:

Activists in New York have restated their commitment to non-violent protests, such as a "virtual sit-in" which they claim was behind the crashing of the forum's website on Friday.
Forum officials, who originally blamed the failure on "overuse", have since said the cause has as yet to be determined.


[ 02-02-2002: Message edited by: Ierne ]
 
 
Ierne
16:16 / 02.02.02
I will try to head out to Manhattan later this evening and see what's going on, despite the heavy police presence:

To highlight their preparedness, the media was invited to watch as thousands of officers trained at Shea Stadium, practicing crowd control and mass arrests.

For their part, protesters said that they would be peaceful and added that if any violence started, it would begin with the police.

Activist Brooke Lehman said: "For weeks, the police have been training in riot tactics. We've been training in samba, puppetry and street theatre."


For Barry Auckland: Protesters plan to carry large canvasses stretched on frames with themes "that show what could be done with the $13m the city is spending on this five-day cocktail party".

Here's CNN's take on the protests so far.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:44 / 02.02.02
I got this from a Global Development email that I don't remember suscribing to, but is quite intersting: quote:Seminars being held at the World Economic Forum in New York City this week:

-- "Corporate Citizenship: A Luxury in Difficult Times?"
-- "From Business Leaders to Global Leaders"
-- "Business Challenges Ahead"

Seminars being held at the World Social Forum in Porto Alegre, Brazil, this week:

-- "From the Gulf War to the Afghanistan War: Contemporary Imperialism and the Socialist Strategy"
-- "Sex, Lies and Business"
-- "Fight the FTAA: Trade Law Made Easy and Connecting the Globalization Dots"

www.developmentex.com

I suspect that there is a certain bias in choosing the topics, but then I'm sure any conference could also provide a number of "unusual" lecture names such as the ones already mentioned. I've been to conferences that were deathly dull that boasted many initially interesting-sounding and potentially radical titles that turned out to be nothing of the sort.

Respect to "The Chairman" for a midnight talk about cyberpunk nonsense, but he's hardly the biggest anti-corporate around...
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:25 / 03.02.02
More on the current World Social Forum (NOT the same as the WEF).

Noami Klein's article on last year's WSF.

quote: We all operate on the basis of available information.

"Some bloke down the pub said poofters have too many special rights. When I told a poof that he just told me to fuck off." The pub bloke is getting his message out; the poof isn't. QED? How about evaluating the source of your information? I don't think it's the most radical fucking concept. Especially since Biodynamo just posted a long message answering the question.
 
 
Jack Fear
09:25 / 03.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Dread Pirate Crunchy:
How about evaluating the source of your information? I don't think it's the most radical fucking concept.
Well, yeah, there is that.

And, in fact, that's kind of the point.

See, I don't know what y'all know about the Village Voice, but it's hardly the Mouthpiece of the Establishment: it's got a reputation for incisive, intelligent coverage and an independent, lefty/progressive worldview.

If that characterization of the WEF had appeared in, say, the Wall Street Journal, or even the New York Times, I might have dismissed it out of hand as typical right-wing corporatist propaganda. But in the Village Voice? One starts to wonder.

Point: It is possible for right-minded people to disagree, even on important subjects.

But it's easy to forget that, easy to develop blind spots, to think that our own rightness and righteousness must be blazingly evident to everyone (except for those who are wilfully ignoring the obvious to further their own self-interest). But it's just not so: there are very few causes so righteous that they do not require a rigorous defense.

So, yeah, I was baiting you--but there's a serious point behind it. No hard feelings, I hope?
 
 
Jackie Susann
09:25 / 03.02.02
No, it's cool. But I think, generally, if the sources you are looking at give no clue as to why lots of people are protesting something, it is generally a good idea to try to find out - which anybody web-savvy enough to use Barbelith should be able to do. I don't know the Village Voice specifically, but I think the principle applies whether you're reading the Wall Street Journal or Green Left Weakly.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
09:25 / 03.02.02
I'm not entirely surprised that the Village Voice is turning out to say some rather conservative things about the WEF. Even in Oz, I've been hearing about the enormous increase in surveillance, arrests, clamp-downs on US journalists and media-makers who are saying anything tghat might be construed as 'unpatriotic' or 'pro-terrorist' since September 11. The Voice are either covering their own back, or have joined the scared-and-shaken liberal bit of the left, the ones who think that everyone just has to play nice for a while, after 9/11.

Anyhow, I don't have much to say except, New Yorkers, be safe be safe be safe. I'm sending good vibes your way.
 
 
Jack Fear
09:25 / 03.02.02
quote:Originally posted by Rosa d'Ruckus:
The Voice are either covering their own back, or have joined the scared-and-shaken liberal bit of the left...
...or they have, looking at the same evidence, formed an entirely different opinion to yours, and one that is no less valid.

Is that so hard to believe?

EDIT: Of course, that's not actually the case: having taken the time to read the linked article in its entirety, I find that Todd's quote is out of its proper context: the article's tone is far more ambivalent-verging-on-hostile towards the WEF than that little soundbite would suggest.

My point about disagreements between persons of good will, and "truths" that are anything but self-evident, still stands, though.

[ 03-02-2002: Message edited by: Jack Fear ]
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
09:25 / 03.02.02
So how is this paragon of the anti-establishment voice funded? because, you know, I have only spent a little time in new York myself...
 
 
Situationism Made Queasy
09:25 / 03.02.02
Hmmm...there's a lot of data missing from this picture.

First off all, throw into the mix the Village Voice article article on anarchists that appeared the next week

Next please consider that as a matter of fact, tens of thousands of protestors showed up, were by and large non-violent, were shoved around quite a bit by the police nonetheless, but ultimately held a massive fucking parade down 2nd avenue.

Now discuss please.
 
 
Jack Fear
09:25 / 03.02.02
quote:Originally posted by He said he had a horrible Haus:
So how is this paragon of the anti-establishment voice funded?
Porn ads, mostly
 
  
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