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Post-modern irony: a guide

08:32 / 30.01.02

Some lad made some racist remarks and has explained them as "post-modern, ironic, anti-PC". Any comments on this?

[ 30-01-2002: Message edited by: Buk ]

Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?

08:35 / 30.01.02

Harmless fun, Martin. We're lovable rogues...

Do you have a link for the full story on this? OR some more details? It's a bit hard to pick the bones out on this basis, except possibly in a Head Shop way...

08:37 / 30.01.02

asking him to outline the theoretical underpinning underlying his statement.

08:42 / 30.01.02

Doh! Forgot to add the link. There ya go.

[ 30-01-2002: Message edited by: Buk ]

The resistable rise of Reidcourchie

08:45 / 30.01.02

Sounds like bullshit justification. Being as there's lawyers involved I'd hate to see this set a precedent.

08:48 / 30.01.02

quote: Any comments on this?

He's a wanker.

No star here laces

08:48 / 30.01.02

Depends, it's the kind of thing that could have arisen out of mutual amusement - blackamoor being such an obviously purposefully anachronistic term to use.

course, the fact that he's a 52 year old barrister would lead me to believe that he's a cunt anyway, but I'd admit the possibility that there could be a grain of truth in the story.

The post-pc bit is bullshit though.

12:22 / 30.01.02

What kind of things do you think could be justified as "post-modern, ironic, anti-PC"?

13:02 / 30.01.02

I don't know about this. One time in college, a friend of mine was describing a guy she had a crush on that I supposedly knew, and I made the comment "I don't know, all of you white people look alike to me," which was ironic, given that, you know, I'm white. However, I did get a funny look from her RA, who was black, who was walking by at the time.

Was I a wanker?

15:04 / 30.01.02

quote:the fact that he's a 52 year old barrister would lead me to believe that he's a cunt anyway

Not really comfortable with that idea. Didn't we decide that group prejudice was unacceptable?

01:54 / 15.02.02

does post modern ironic mean he's being a toss pot on the principal of highlighting how not to behave? thats my best guess. Throw the bloody book at him.

[ 15-02-2002: Message edited by: inteceptor ]

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

04:42 / 15.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Todd:
I don't know about this. One time in college, a friend of mine was describing a guy she had a crush on that I supposedly knew, and I made the comment "I don't know, all of you white people look alike to me," which was ironic, given that, you know, I'm white. However, I did get a funny look from her RA, who was black, who was walking by at the time.

Was I a wanker?

That's a good question. I know a fella that routinely calls caucasian kids "crakers". He's also fond of saying "stupid white people...", despite his being white. No one has remarked on the morality of this yet, mainly because we have no fucking clue how to take it. So we just let it slide.

I can usually pass myself of as part Souix, especially if people meet my father, who looks dead up like a native Souix indian. I'm not sure there's actually any native american blood in me, but I claim it sometimes to bash the Man unopposed. It's extremely liberating, but I don't think the Souix would like it. But it feels so good...

12:19 / 15.02.02

Depends, it's the kind of thing that could have arisen out of mutual amusement - blackamoor being such an obviously purposefully anachronistic term to use. – Lyra Lovelaces

It reminds me of what my boss goes through from time to time with certain clients who joke around calling him "towel-head", "A-Rab" and other such lovely euphemisms. Often he'll make light of the situation and laugh right along with them – because they're clients and his company needs their business. But once they leave our office, he admits it's not so amusing.

A

21:26 / 15.02.02

Is this now a valid legal defense?

"Sure, I blew up a busload of school children, your honour, but i did it in a post-modern, ironic, anti p.c. fashion."

09:33 / 18.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Buk:
What kind of things do you think could be justified as "post-modern, ironic, anti-PC"?

Perhaps the same sorts of things that count towards *clearing some space for some feminazi man bashing post-colonial discourse.*

People and their blatant BS, eh?
m3

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:33 / 18.02.02

quote:Originally posted by modthree:
Perhaps the same sorts of things that count towards *clearing some space for some feminazi man bashing post-colonial discourse.*

Could you explain this idea in a little more detail? Because it seems on an initial reading to make very little immediate sense, but I'm sure you've got a point there somewhere, if you could just unpack it a little...

10:05 / 18.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Buk:
What kind of things do you think could be justified as "post-modern, ironic, anti-PC"?

It's just a more (superficially) theory-bitch way of saying, "What's wrong with being sexy?", innit?

We're The Great Old Ones Now

10:08 / 18.02.02

'Post modern, ironic' is not sexy.

Post-ironic, on the other hand, gets more tail than Basil Brush.

13:09 / 18.02.02

quote:What kind of things do you think could be justified as "post-modern, ironic, anti-PC"?

All kinds of things, of course. You name a thing, and I'll justify it as anti-PC post-modern irony for you.

That's me being post-ironic right there. I think. Postironicism for Beginners. Let's start the movement!

09:10 / 20.02.02

Oh geez, called out on my bad “obsfucation” habit again. Let me put it this way:

In the context in which that string of words, "post-modern…," is being used by our barrister friend, it appears kinda’ as if I figured it’d be acceptable to say to you,

“The transpose matrix of the emergent vector sigma has an eigenvalue of root pi, oh and by the way, if you’d look over there…”

<slaps flyboy in the face>

<runs away>

[i.e., ya’ don’t need to unpack it, ya’ need to pack it away]

m3

[ 20-02-2002: Message edited by: modthree ]

Regrettable Juvenilia

09:10 / 20.02.02

Okay: unless you or anybody else can explain in what way you're making sense, I'm just going to assume that you're not...

[ 20-02-2002: Message edited by: Flyboy ]

09:10 / 20.02.02

I think he's saying that the chap in question is using 'post-modern irony' as a diversionary tactic to attract attention away from the fact that he's a scumbag at bottom...

09:10 / 20.02.02

on the original point: certainly sounds like bullshit justification to me also.

i should add that i hate, hate, hate it when people say they're 'anti-PC'. because i always thought (and i know we've discussed this here quite recently) that the term 'political correctness' was used by the right wing media to ridicule anyone who pointed out that treating minority groups like shit was a bit off. so then being 'anti-pc' can come across as believing in free speech when really someone simply wants to 'be allowed' to continue making racist/sexist/homophobic 'jokes' and not get called on their shit.

and apologies if this is not very coherent; i am suffering from lack of sleep.

21:05 / 20.02.02

quote:Originally posted by Kit-Cat Club:
I think he's saying that the chap in question is using 'post-modern irony' as a diversionary tactic to attract attention away from the fact that he's a scumbag at bottom...

Like the dog that lives on that farmer's farm:

<clap> <clap> <clap-clap> O!

m3