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Jack The Bodiless
11:02 / 15.08.03
I'm going to see this tonight, but in the meantime, this rather interested me...

From http://filmfreakcentral.net/screenreviews/freddyvsjason:

"Though it doesn't work at all as a scary movie, with even its jump scares curiously tepid, there's a possibility with Freddy Vs. Jason to engage in an anagogical discussion as rich and fascinating as any offered before by the already meaty respective series (Friday the 13th and A Nightmare on Elm Street, natch). Pitting Freddy Krueger--razor-fingered child murderer, victim of vigilante justice, and avatar of the sins of the literal fathers--against Jason Voorhees, hockey-masked victim of the cruelty of adolescence and the fear of sensuality, is amazingly fertile ground and handled herein with a seriousness that understands the death that post-modern cleverness represents for horror's slasher subgenre. This is not to say that the film doesn't make nods to Signs and 2001: A Space Odyssey, just to suggest that its story proper is firmly grounded in its own hermetic mythology, the curiously heady equation of its titular bogeys to some sort of modern holy pantheon.

Freddy (Robert Englund) has been defeated by forgetfulness, the god-killer, his omnipotence neutered as it were by his prey's ability to suppress his memory. To get the gears churning again, Freddy visits Jason (Ken Kirzinger) in Hell (which looks suspiciously like Jason's stomping ground Camp Crystal Lake and, therefore, heaven for Jason, right?) disguised as Jason's dead mother and "frees" the flesh golem with the idea that a spate of murders on Elm Street will resurrect the fear of him and restore his power. His plan working too well, Freddy's attempts to harvest his flock are repeatedly thwarted by Jason's unslakeable bloodlust, leading to the realization that Freddy, in order to properly collect his measure of obeisance from his acolytes, must destroy the monster that he has created. Freddy Vs. Jason is a Prometheus mythology in that respect, the titan releasing a scourge upon the earth for his own ends only to find himself made impotent and in agony for that transgression; yet Freddy Vs. Jason is also a retelling of the walk of 6th century Catholic saints St. Maurus (who saves a boy from drowning) and St. Faustus, the latter of whom, like Jason in this film, was pierced by arrows and, in his way, the chronicler of his companion's legacy. No kidding.

The gaggle of meat puppets assembled to be variously skewered (raped) and decapitated (castrated) include Destiny's Child diva Kelly Rowland (Kia) and Brittany Murphy look-alike Monica Keena (Lori) as the requisite reluctant virgin. Freddy punishes Kia for her desire to improve her perfect features in a deeply subversive scene that equates plastic surgery with butchery--a strange lesson, indeed, from such a teacher and one that suggests an aesthete's ascription to beauty as truth. For Lori, the death of her own mother and that requirement for a young girl to assume the role of female of the household is dissected by Freddy's sadistic masquerade as Lori's father. More, Freddy frames Lori's father for the murder of Lori's mother (by stabbing, of course), while Lori's father compounds the tension by offering nepenthe, Suspicion-style: "At least drink your juice!"

At its root, Freddy Vs. Jason is a deeply moral film that takes its cue from those tent poles of teen anxiety pictures: fear of sexuality, fear of responsibility, fear of bullies, suspicion of parents. Consider a central geek character who is given a level of nobility and a martyr's death, as well as a speech to vain Kia delivered with seriousness and allowed to stand unchallenged. The possible transference, then, of the Jason persona to the prototypical Geek--unloved, unlovable, horny--becomes one of many suggestions that Jason is not so much the hero of the piece as the projection of frustrated heroism: the elevation of manhood arrested as Greek tragedy (and, after all, didn't early Greek theatre revolve around the wearing of masks?), with a school bullying subplot (a throwaway line about Columbine, a school banner that says "Harassment and Violence: Not At Our School") illustrating how we all as a collective create the shape of our monsters.

I think it's overly simplistic to suggest that inexorable hockey-masked killer Jason punishes the camp counsellor archetypes responsible for his drowning death for having sex, smoking pot, and partying--closer to the truth that the Jason mythopoeia revolves around a certain Keatsian "consumption sublime" poised at that exact moment of sexual awakening in the young male and its Freudian Oedipal complexities. Consider that Jason, for the most part, targets the males while Freddy tortures the women, their roles defined in this picture along strict lines of Oedipal dysfunction and paternal transgression. The phallic devices of mayhem employed by Jason distract from the idea (suggested by critic Alex Jackson) that Jason himself may be the manifestation of a penis, tumescent and ramrod straight: the murders--particularly the penetration murders (and here the film resembles most Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter)--are the kind of frustrated sexual performance circumscribed in Keats' "The Eve of St. Agnes" (itself a description of a rape, a dream, and a disappointing reality--not so much "afterglow" as "after-disgust"), with Jason, unsated and indeed unsate-able, forever re-enacting the moment of his mother's death and his resultant inability to ever make appropriate mate choices (proper release)--robbed, as he is, of the mother at the moment of the all-important split. A scene where Jason repeatedly jackhammers a stud with a giant machete is filmed in such a way as to suggest a homosexual rape, while an extremely loaded sequence in which a young woman is about to be "saved" by a rape (in the midst of Keats' Ruth's alien corn, no less) is interrupted by Jason pricking her attacker with a jagged pipe, appearing to "save" her from a successful rape with an unsuccessful rape.

Too thorny to deconstruct in just a few lines, sufficed to say that there's something alive in this film, and it's not necessarily the undead fiends enjoying their second coming, nor the awful dialogue their victims are forced to spew. Freddy Vs. Jason speaks of Freddy as a contagion to be contained, furthering the idea of blood contamination in a thaumaturgical sense--the transformation of sin into a physical stain while recognizing that Freddy's power has always been more impishly magical at its essence than truly demonic. The centre of the film isn't the duel that takes up its last twenty minutes or so, but two images: the first an unbelievably clever effect of Freddy as a hookah-smoking caterpillar, the second Freddy's discovery that Jason is afraid of water and subsequent delivery of a "cold shower" that "shrinks" Jason from his priapic height to a limp, flaccid, more manageable size. Freddy Vs. Jason is fascinating stuff that works its campy measure of gratuitous gore and nudity to adequate effect while offering the sort of cohesive rule structure that allows for a deeper analysis. Arguably the best entry in either series (with the possible exception of the first A Nightmare on Elm Street), Freddy Vs. Jason, which even has the audacity to offer a princess' kiss to wake a sleeping paladin, is a B-movie that understands the freedom that the slasher subgenre offers the devoted to indulge in psychosexual opera. A minor shame that the film's pleasures are more of the mind than the trip-hammer heart."

Ummm... yes. Will come back later and... yes.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
15:06 / 15.08.03
Is the author taking the piss here, or something? If I say, "wow, that's interesting", will the joke be on me?

All's I know is, I'm watching it tonight.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
11:22 / 26.08.03
Dude. The review's on the money. Shitty script, fascinating subtext. I loved it...
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:03 / 26.08.03
Yeah, it's all there. After the movie me and my friends spent hours talkig about all this shit. And we thought it was going to be a no-brainer. For such a stupid movie I think it was handled brilliantly.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
16:37 / 26.08.03
Pulp fiction often gets closer to the heart of human matters than more serious work, simply because the writer is allowing his Id to run free and unfettered. I thought this movie, while poorly done, had enough odd little touches that elevated it beyond a typical slasher film, most of which were in the Meta aspect of the movie, although "New Nightmare" already mined that vien of inspiration.

As a movie watcher, I wanted the first act of the movie to last longer, and the third act to be better developed, because when it got to the actual "killing teens who transgress", it was the most unwatchable.
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
17:25 / 26.08.03
I loved it. It was everything I expected. Lots of dumb fun. Pointless nudity. The unstoppable but lumbering Jason, the nimble and clever Freddy.

The huka catapillar was cool.
 
 
All Acting Regiment
13:32 / 30.08.03
I'm not being reactionary, but I can't agree that this is a good film- at least not in my opinion. It comes from this long tradition in western films where the human life is undervalued- its perfectly okay to stab someone because they deserve it/it fits the subtext/whatever reason. Not that this doesn't feature in other film traditions- look at all the stooges who fall to jaki chan's fists.

I agree that this is "interesting stuff"- look at all the reactions it's gained- but really, on a personal level, i think we need to look at what this represents. It represents people being horribly killed. I think we need to look at this more carefully and think, "should i really be enjoying the intellectual pleasures of this movie at the expense of these people who are dying?"

Another example of what im trying to get at would be the people who saw the slave trade as affirmation of the fact that whites were "superior" to blacks- "it holds up our theory, so lets ignore the terrible suffering".
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
15:42 / 30.08.03
[slowly and clearly] Nobody is suffering or dying. It is a film. It is made up in someone's head. Then they pay people to pretend to die, and other people to film it. It's kind of like a game. Do you see? [/slowly and clearly]
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:59 / 30.08.03
And I can tell you the kids that got killed will definitely not be suffering when pay day comes along.
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
16:06 / 30.08.03
Chris, you can't be suggesting that all films containing extreme violence are inherently bad. Can you? Plus - what's with the world's most incoherent final paragraph?
 
 
Jackie Susann
10:04 / 30.10.03
Not to lower the intellectual tone of the thread or anything, but where were the big Freddy set pieces? He seems to have forgotten he can do anything but cut people up with the glove. I wanna see, you know, people being puppet-marched to their death with strips cut out of their arms and legs, or turned into cockroaches or motorcycles and shit...
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
10:34 / 30.10.03
New Old Krueger, from the last two films onwards, seems keener on emphasizing the fact that he's an evil child-molester than the chuckling Uncle Freddy persona with his hilarious concept-killing and Arniesque oneliners. Can't imagine why...
 
  
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