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Possiblilities of bad influences from a large collection of playing cards of unknown origins?

 
 
Cosmicjamas
20:34 / 13.08.03
Soon we are to stay in my parents' house for a few weeks. They collect antique playing cards. My son, who is 4 and therefore, some would argue, more susceptible to psychic phenomena, demands that all cards and card related pictures, lithographs, ornaments, are removed from the bedroom before he will go in there. The main collection is stored in the room opposite, but they are all around the house. I'm not particularly psychically attuned, but do feel more comfortable when these things are not in the room.

Is it possible that these things can have malevolent properties attached to them, and apart from making sure that there are none in our room, can/should we do anything to protect ourselves within the house as a whole?

I would add that since beginning this collection, my parents have not had a great deal of good fortune, and a lot of illness and financial problems have occurred.
 
 
Salamander
01:25 / 14.08.03
You never know, playing cards see alot of hands, I'd move them just in case, and anyway, no reason your child should have to share space with them if they make him uncomfortable.
 
 
*
03:36 / 14.08.03
They could be really dusty. That would be malign to me.
 
 
—| x |—
06:25 / 14.08.03
OK so, a little flash here—and certainly not for sure—but, I wonder how much the idea of potential or the possibilities here play a role in generating unease? I mean, take one deck of playing cards: the possible combinations of sequences and series of various orders are quite large. Now take ten decks: not only do these ten have the same number as the single deck, but now we have ten decks to combine in sequences and series. So, if we’ve a whole collection of decks and they are all in the same room, then there is really quite an astronomical and downright intimidating &/v fearful variety of potential and possibility wrt possible manifestations of series, sequences, and forms.

When I was discussing this with my partner (she brought the thread to my attention) this is what occurred to me and as I sketched it out for her it gave her “the willies” simply to hear about it!
 
 
Cosmicjamas
07:07 / 14.08.03
Thanks...can you explain a bit more to me about potential and possibilities? I am very much a novice regarding the language of magick.

When I first read your reply, Dr., I took it to mean that I was uneasy about the idea, ie. being influenced to feel uneasy due to having the knowledge that cards could be cursed (BF has practiced magick and told me this) or that they can be used in "fortune telling" etc.

But that doesn't explain how a 4 year old whose only knowledge of cards is the occasional game of snap can demand them banished?

So please can you tell me more about quite an astronomical and downright intimidating &/v fearful variety of potential and possibility wrt possible manifestations of series, sequences, and forms.

Sounds heavy. Apart from not spending too much time in any room with a vast number of the things, is there any personal protection sort of thing we could be using?
 
 
—| x |—
12:07 / 14.08.03
Hey, no worries, but again let me say, I’ve really no idea if this is even close to the reason, but it could be a reason for some.

As for potentials and possibilities, I really don’t mean anything occult: simply your everyday, average possibilities and potentials.

So, what I mean is, there is simply way too many possible combinations of potential sequences of cards for anyone to think about. I’ll try to sketch out how it could be overwhelming for someone.

Suppose you are a bit of an obsessive person, or possibly mildly autistic. Now also suppose that your mind has a habit of “counting” and/or “grouping” objects in different possible sets of relations—you might do this consciously, but more than likely you simply do it, and might not even always be conscious of the results of such a process. So you walk into a room and there’s some stuff in it: a couch, a TV, a VCR—you know, regular “family room” type stuff. So you might flash through a series of images, feelings, or intuitions about not only how the room is, but how it could be—depending on how the ordering and grouping is accomplished (that TV could be here, that couch there, and etc.). Mostly, the possibilities of such (sub or un)conscious selection would be small, and thus, readily processed by the mind. However, as I tried to sketch out above, with, say, a hundred decks of cards there are a staggering number of possible groupings and orderings that could arise: I can’t even begin to try to estimate how many sequences or patterns could be potentially recovered from 100 decks of 52 cards each—I wonder if even our best computers could calculate the number? I mean, there’s simply way too many variables here! So, if a person was prone to this sort of behaviour (not good or bad mind you, merely a way of being in the world), then a tiny little room containing what for all practical purposes is an infinity might cause this sort of person a feeling of unease or distress since their mind can in no way deal with the habitual processing of this staggering amount of input.

Or not. I mean, it is “heavy” in its own way, but may or may not be the problem here—I have little to no way to know! As for how to “protect” from this, well, if we were like the hypothetical person above, I think we’d merely have to learn to live with it, keep ourselves in low stimulus environments, or perhaps try to break our habits of ordering and counting. Some things we simply can’t process, and I think it's when we can’t process something that we begin to feel anxiety, which if not caught and remedied, can lead to depression. And that's no fun for anyone.
 
 
illmatic
13:16 / 14.08.03
Has anyone here any experience of "psychometery" or picking up impressions from objects? Any anecdotes? Never had the experience myself so I can't comment really, 'Jamas, but there is an occult idea that objects pick up "vibrations" from proximity to people which can then be skryed to pick up impressions. No idea whether this is true or not, but it'd fit the idea of them going through loads of hands, as HN mentions above.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:40 / 14.08.03
Has anyone here any experience of "psychometery" or picking up impressions from objects?

I've never thought about this before and it's especially weird considering the answer is yes, objects often give me impressions. There were a few things that belonged to my grandparents that I couldn't touch because I felt so uneasy- a fish made up of wooden parts that separated but were held together with elastic, an old photo frame made up of brass flowers with gaps between them and a paper knife that my granny brought over from Uganda. There was also a vase that I couldn't touch that sat in front of the fireplace, it housed dried flowers that were fine but the vase itself scared the life out of me. It must have been about thirty years old the last time I saw it and I absolutely hated the thing.

It's odd because I distinguish between those objects and the glass birds that also scared me but not in the same way. They looked frightening but they didn't cause anxiety.

I'm not sure that I'd put any of this down to psychometery though. I don't really hold by it, at least not in my own case, I think it's mostly association. Maybe your son's seen a programme about the evils of gambling or he finds the pictures on some of the cards a bit creepy? I've always had a thing about mirrors- I can't have one in site of my bed- my overactive imagination when I was a kid used to tell me I'd be swallowed up by one, at night they would change and become sinister. Perhaps it's something like that? If I hadn't liked the Queen I just know would have imagined her jumping out of the card and hunting me down.
 
 
Potguns
11:54 / 15.08.03
Has anyone here any experience of "psychometery" or picking up impressions from objects?

Try shuffling your Tarot deck and then immediatley doing the same with a friends deck, have them do the same too just to get some basic object vibration ideas. I always find it interestin anways

Pot.
 
 
Quantum
13:23 / 15.08.03
Hmmm. It's likely your 4 yr old is just freaked by the Face cards, the court cards that look so severe. Are they mounted face out so they're looking at you? But if you're spooked by them too maybe there's something more to it.
If you think it's spooky, here's a spell to avert the anxiety and nullify their power. Get a deck of cards, deface a picture card (preferably the Jack of Hearts or Queen of Clubs) with felt tip or cvrayon or whatever so it looks silly. Do it in front of your son, give him the crayon/felt tip, and when he's ready a picture card, let him scribble all over it. Give him the rest of the deck to deface, they shouldn't be too scary after that.
If your parents have had bad luck since collecting cards, um, suggest they get rid of them? Sell them or bin them, unless one of your parents is a collector that's the best solution. If necessary use their grandchild as leverage, which do they value more, the cards or their grandson's happiness?
Let us know what happens!

On Psychometry, Anna's is a typical example- it's almost always touch that triggers it, and the objects feel different to things you simply dislike (those disgusting glass birds for example). It's as if objects can retain an emotional resonance sometimes, and sensitive people can pick up on that. In this case it seems unlikely as the cards are behind glass, it's probably more psychological than magickal. If you distinguish between the two.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:57 / 15.08.03
I hate to be all Scully here, but whilst psychic yukkiness is certainly a possibility... little kids often just get scared of unfamiliar stuff. My folks still laugh about the time they took me to this stately home that'd been turned into a museum (I'd have been about the same age as the little'un in question) and there was this one room full of antique clocks, which apparently gave me the mother of all wiggins. I'm told I practically had to be picked up and carried out, I was screaming so hard!

I returned to the same museum in adulthood, and the room seemed perfectly pleasant to me. I couldn't even recall the incident, let alone the fear.
 
 
Cosmicjamas
20:20 / 15.08.03
Hi, thanks for your input guys! Well, here I am, in the house rattling away on Pa's 486 with 28.8 dial up modem, but the signal seems to be holdin', cap'n...

But the computer is in the card room - bleurgggh! My leg is resting against a chest of drawers full of them and I really am feeling very freaked. Jittery and hard to breathe.

Just to clarify a bit, my son has no problem with the playing cards I've given him to play 'snap' - they were brand new. So its not a scary face thing at all. None of the actual cards in the collection are on display, they're all in their original boxes and packed away in srorage boxes, so he can't see them as such.

But most cupboards he was freaked by in the bedroom we use I found to contain a box or two and he was fine once I put them elsewhere. But out of 2 beds in the room he'd only agree to sleep in one, and I've never been able to sleep in the rejected bed either. Today I discovered - 2 boxes full of packs of cards under it...I swear I never knew they were there!

The pictures he objects to are mainly antique prints of people involved in games of cards, fairly impressionistic and from various countries, the pictures on the court cards can't be seen as such. I have replaced these with innocuous tapestries of parrots, country scenes, even one I found of a weeping harlequin which he's fine with.

I would LOVE my parents to get rid of this collection. They want to leave it to me for my son to have. I have stated in no uncertain terms that it is going to a museum (if my avaricious cousin doesn't get it first!). There's no way I'd allow it in the house.

Thanks for bearing with me. Now exiting the card room to have a stiff drink and a valium!!
 
 
cusm
21:28 / 15.08.03
On the more purely occult level: Decks of cards generate probability throgh chaos. As such, they are tools of chaotic energy. Now add to this relation to their use in Tarot and divination. Recall that ordinary playing cards can be used for Tarot like spreads, people do it all the time. Now add to this how they must have been used: in games of chance where their handlers concentrated who knows how much juju into hoping for the right cards to come about. The worst ones would be those used for hihg stakes poker, where some people lost bitterly.

So what you have here is a device that is a natural tool and attractor of magickal energy, that are likely also invested with large amounts of emotional resonance and outright superstition (if you don't buy that, try flashing the Queen of Spades at people and see how many jump from it). Now, these are antique, so they've been well used more than likely. And there are tons of them in a collection, each a little battery of whatever mojo they carry.

All I can say is, its no wonder your folks have such bad luck.
 
  
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