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rizla mission
10:32 / 12.08.03
Today I visited Disinformation for the first time in absolutely aaagggeeess.. not sure why really, possibly because I'm reading the Guide to the Invisibles book they put out..

Disinfo is a website that's often been sorta connected with Barbelith in various ways (a few years ago I used to read the two side by side every day), and definitely attracts a similar kinda demographic, so I was wondering what people think about it's current bigtime, multimedia type setup.. is anyone still a regular reader? does anyone even remotely care?

I've got to say, I'm a little underwhelmed by my visit - it seems to be starting to live up to it's name in a bad way.. tons of adverts and pop-ups and unecessary links - it all looks really sorta corporate, but with no attempts to satirise/subvert the corporate website format which we might have expected..
It gives the appearance of having tons of new articles and stories, but the few I read were suspiciously short on any genuinely interesting information or ideas.. it's like they've got the 'cool spypunk subversive' stance down pat, but aren't quite able to follow it up with a regular stream of quality writing.. I seem to remember back in the day being able to click on most of their articles and read some fairly comprehensive info on some weird new thing.. now it seems what yr. likely to get is a few paragraphs of fairly unimaginative mainstream-left political commentary and a plug for a book..

Actually, reading that back, maybe it's a bit harsh.. I'm sure there's still lots of good stuff on there if I could be bothered to look, and, er, their hearts are still in the right place I guess.. (and the book they've just put out on the 'dark side of the sixties' looks like a seriously good read).

Another thing that's really weird - they've got this whole 'personals' section! I mean, er, why? And doesn't it rather deflate their whole "we're not geeks, we're real cool!" image.. Nevertheless I was totally looking forward to casually browsing through all the various far-out folks who'd signed up for such a service, but sadly they don't seem to have a browsing function - just a depressingly generic search engine to help you find yr. perfect hip young conspiracy buff.. which makes me suspect that they've farmed it out to some kind of general personals website service for some reason.. another sign of the sad drop in quality - I'm sure they could have come up with some ways to develop a more user-friendly and interesting and less sad-and-lonely format if they'd put their minds to it..

but, er, anyway, I've been rambling for fuckingages, so;

Disinformation - still a going concern? big sellouts? never any good in the first place? a useful organisation for filtering "our" weirdness into the mainstream? you decide!
 
 
pomegranate
13:25 / 12.08.03
i like the books more than the website.
 
 
adamswish
15:12 / 12.08.03
I know what you mean Rizla, disinfo does feel like a leaner, cut back version of it's old self.

I get the daily e-mail newsletter, but it's not daily and has been getting less and less in it's frequency. But even the newsletter isn't what it was. Now it's bookended with adverts for disinfo products (whether they be books or any of their t-shirts [and how odd as I'm typing this I've just realised I'm wearing my "Fuck Consensus Reality" disinfo t-shirt] you can purchase from the online store). And where there used to be small snippets of new articules, now there are just headline links to the stuff.

And the articules look like excerpts from the old fashioned larger pieces.

Maybe they've got more involved in the publishing and video side of their operations. And that's no bad thing either. Okay so their website is looking kind of neglected at the moment, but they are still pushing out some valuable pieces of work in their books.

The only thing now is that the articules that you could read for free off their website, you now have to pay for the books they appear in (or hunt them down in a library, or borrow off a friend), which I guess is sad.

Still if they are able to push out the dissenting voices to others, finding a new audience from the internet crowd, whether they be the academia and their books or the stay at home kids and their TV/video.

And I don't like the personals either. I've had my picture up there for months now and not had any replies at all.
 
 
Baz Auckland
15:23 / 12.08.03
The personals are the same database as nerve.com, theonion.com, and a bunch of other sites... I think most of the people listed on it are from the former.

I still read the daily newsthingie when they send it, but I wish they would every day again....
 
 
Boy in a Suitcase
16:32 / 12.08.03
I agree that the website has less good content on the "weird" side of things these days–but you guys do realize that now anybody can post news, yeah? Disinfo is now an open forum.
 
 
Char Aina
16:48 / 12.08.03
i was fucking made up when i found disinfo.com, and i told all my friends about it, read it religiously, and even had an email account with them.

then it started to suck. about two years ago, when they rescinded my email account and told me i could retrieve the data if i UPGRADED to a PAYING account was the final straw for me.

fuckabunchathat.

i have checked in occasionally, but it always seems to be as lacklustre as it had become when i was last there, and the fact that they were using those personals that the onion use made me baulk.

cunts.

clever and interesting cunts, but still.



so do people really still rate their paltry services over there?
for reasons other than nostalgia?
 
 
Char Aina
16:52 / 12.08.03
[aside to self, stroking chin]

but what boy in a suitcase says sounds interesting.....


[/aside to self, stroking chin]
 
 
Not Here Still
18:53 / 12.08.03
Disinfo.com's still going? Cor!

(Otherwise, what Toksik said. in the first post)
 
 
h3r
20:39 / 12.08.03
yes it's a sad affair.
i still like the t-shirts and books though.

i also agree that especially the personal section is a let down.

wouldn't it be cool to have a personal service that actually hooks up cool likeminded individuals?
the people on there have nothing to do with "disinfo" related pohilosophy, why not use all the other match.coms etc.....
 
 
Querelle
20:40 / 12.08.03
Maybe the reason their content sucks now is because a) they stopped paying their writers, and b) they had trouble paying their writers in the first place.

Alright.. here's a short story for you: I used to write for Disinfo a long time ago, was assured I would be paid for my services, I signed a contract, etc. After writing a few "dossiers" (ohhhh, spycore!) I submitted an invoice, never get paid. This is after every time I corresponded with my editor he would feed me bullshit about how much they loved my pieces and how great it was to work with me. Every time I asked the editor about it, or faxed the owner, I got some bullshit lame excuse or worse yet, no response at all. And it's not like my pieces were crap; one of them is very widely read and linked to on the web. So as far as I'm concerned, Disinfo.com can wallow in their watered-down soup of mediocrity until they rot.

Oh, and after all was said and done and they stopped paying their writers, the editor had the audacity to tell me how they would "love to have me write for them again!" For free, of course.
 
 
rizla mission
22:00 / 12.08.03
Oddly enough, the one really interesting article I found on my brief visit was written by a Barbelith member (Boy in a Suitcase)..

Quite what that suggests I'm not really sure..
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
22:02 / 12.08.03
[echo]
Disinfo.com's still going? Cor!

(Otherwise, what Toksik said. in the first post)
[/echo]

anyone know of alternative sites or a panacea for stale old Dustinfo?
 
 
Char Aina
22:41 / 12.08.03
i still like the t-shirts and books though.

my friend got the devil tattooed.

looks quite good.

it's on the back of his neck.
 
 
*
15:38 / 13.08.03
Funny-- I tried posting news not long ago, and it said I wasn't authorized. How new is that piece of info, Suitcase?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
21:45 / 13.08.03
btw that book about the 60s is just something they are reprinting. it was published several years ago in england, written by the guitarist of blondie. its a nice enough book, but doesnt have a single piece of info anyone on this site wouldn't already know.

i increasingly find them to be DisTastefo.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:45 / 10.12.04
There's no U in Disinfo.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
04:07 / 10.12.04
I felt really in the know when I discovered disinfo around '97 or so, had my first non-school email address through them, very seriously considered writing for them (and my roommate in fact did once), and attended the Disinfo.con2000 (still have the poster up in my living room, too). It was and, to some extent, still is a great resource for going from an isolated piece of esoteric information to its larger context. Then there was "THe Infinity Factory," which was like the best cable access show ever, but it got all slick with "Disinfo Nation." Hell, even the shortlived "Freakylinks" TV show was in large part based on Disinfo.

But there comes a point when what it asks outbalances what it gives. The ads, the personals, the paid email accounts, the registration, all this really soured me on what was once a daily ritual for me. And that, I feel, helped weaken what I think was formerly a stronger countercultural movement by tainting what was its most visible hub. Not that I don't think those involved ought not be compensated for their labors, but it all happened too quick and too severely.

I'm glad disinfo exists and still exists, but nowadays it's more a reminder of squandered potential than anything else. The books and videos are nice, but better that they be an ancillary product to what should have remained a stronger core brand. I don't know whether there's any one person or decision I would say is responsible for its successes and failures, and maybe by sabotaging itself in this way it's guaranteed that its legacy would never be as the huge corporate entity it could have become (which likely would have destroyed its cred in its own way, too). Nevertheless, in an age dominated by ginormous homogenous media entities, it would have been nice to have had at least one whose aims were transparently subversive, sort of a punk PBS. It may yet happen, but I don't see it right now.

/+,
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
04:13 / 10.12.04
I used to be a constant reader fo the site, but now it's just a bunch of sound bites...the books are VERY good, but there isn't enough real content on the site any more for me to visit it more than every few weeks.
 
 
---
10:20 / 10.12.04
I just looked at the site and I got no annoying popups, which was a surprise. I loved the Disinfo book that I got but I can't say that I really read much at the site. I read a bit and it seemed ok.

Of course if I hadn't got one of their books I might not even be here, so I'm grateful that they exist, but the site will need more time spent at it if I'm to make any type of judgement on what it's like.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
10:57 / 10.12.04
You know, I used to hobnob with the flat-fronted khakhis who did the graphic design and backend work on Disinfo. Somewhere I think I've still got one of their promotional coin purses or paperweights or something, along with a bunch of other dotcom trash that I believe will be collectible in 20 years. Disinfo was never a "counterculture" whoziwhatzit, it was just another Nu Media business venture... though I guess Nu Media was a counterculture in a peculiar sense. They have to look like they're doing things to draw people to their site, because they charge money for advertising. They aren't very inspired or innovative in the business sense, but it's got to be tough to keep up with those Gen Y monsters like LiveJournal when you serve a shrinking demographic. I'm not sure it isn't silly feel disillusioned about that, though perhaps it's understandable if you were young and impressionable once (I never was).
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
11:05 / 10.12.04
A media entity whose aims are transparently subversive.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
06:57 / 12.12.04
I should have specified, one that shared more of our aims than not.

Supposedly Al Gore is helping to start a new grassroots network, but I doubt it will end up taking terribly controversial or unpopular stances, except, of course, to the easily outraged.

/+,
 
 
Dexter Graves
05:39 / 19.06.06
I'm glad disinfo.com is still around. You have to remember that the site is prett much run by one guy, Alex@disinfo.com (aka Alex :-D). Their main focus is on being a publisher. They want you to buy their books, which are usually pretty good. Their three compendiums 'You Are Being Lied To', 'Everything You Know is Wrong', and 'Abuse Your Illusions' are must owns for anyone who wants a quick course in all the things the corporate media doesn't report.

Disinfo.com isn't really a news site. It's a link to news sites. I can't say much for its own reporting. They stopped that years ago. But I've discovered a lot of great news sites because of their role as web surfers (alternet.org, slate.com, the Christian Science Monitor, Narconews.com, etc.)

I do wish they would divide their bood/dvd line into two distinct brands that exist independantly of each other. 1. Political stuff 2. Occultic stuff.

I am a practicing chaos magician. I'm thirty years old and first tried magic when I was 8, and an older neighbor of mine started buying books on the occult. He ended up freaking out when he saw something that looked like a ring wraith jumping down at him while sleeping in bed one night. He jumped through his screen window. Fortunately, he lived in a one story house. He ended up renouncing the whole thing, burning his books and never wanted to talk about it again. I did. After that, I was hooked. I got into Wicca but found it a little... well, weak.

I always used to say, "I'm kind of Wiccan" the same way some pot smokers will say they're kind of Mormon. I also used to say, "I think everyone should just make up their own religion. Inventing your religion is a vastly underrated concept." Then I discovered Chaos magic and suddenly found myself with an effective set of tools to do exactly that.

That said, magic is not for everyone. It's a calling, something you have to do and you can only find out why you're doing it by doing it. Some people want no part of it, and that's fine. That's part of their spiritual journey. I'm cool with that. I want everyone to do magic but that doesn't mean they should. Maybe in the next life...

That's why I think Disinfo needs to separate politically oreiented material from occult centered literature. By doing that, they can widen their audience. Maybe not everyone is ready for magic. But there's a lot of things that don't get reported in mainstream news because of the media monopoly that exists in America. In a democracy, all people should be well informed.

And Disnfo.com is great but its better to just go to the source and check out the sites they regularly reference than rely on them to point out the interesting stuff. Alex can only look at so many websites in a day.
 
  
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