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Ofermod
19:14 / 10.03.04
I've recently started downloading comics online and I agree it's not the same as having comic in hand, but it's the only way I've been able to read Miracleman. If they ever finish the dispute between Gaiman and McFarlane and reprint them, I'll probably pick up the trades. Also I find myself downloading a lot of comics I already have, but many of them are in storage in New York and it's easier to reread them this way. And some I download just to get specific images. I have all four issues of Flex Mentallo here, but I don't have a scanner and I downloaded them as well just so I could pull images like this:
 
 
Krug
04:07 / 11.03.04
I used to download so much when I wasn't in the States and could only really afford so much out of shitty currency and a budget but now that I live here, I read a few scans of comics that I later get in the trades as soon as they come out.
It's a great thing and I'm all for it. To be honest, the industry will always be in a slump and crappy books will always be HOT (with their FAN FAVOURITE CREATORS) so I don't really care anymore if two hundred people really are downloading a dozen comics and not buying them. I don't like reading scans mostly and just buy the damn thing anyway because they can't compare to the feeling of holding it in your hands.

Music on the other hand I don't care about, the musicians I listen to already have too much money and are in no danger of going broke so it's mp3 and homemade audio cd all the way. I save my money for the real starving artists or creators who need my support.
 
 
doyoufeelloved
03:46 / 13.03.04
You know, I spent an hour or so the other day daydreaming about how amazing it would be if Marvel would reprint every issue of UNCANNY X-MEN on two or three DVDs and sell those. You could read 'em on your computer, on your TV, whatever.

I agree that mass-scale electronic distribution of old material is a financial avenue the major companies (with large libraries & catalogues) really ought to be looking into...
 
 
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18:59 / 20.03.04
I'm buying them aswell but have not got 90 quid at the moment, i'm broke. I really need to read them for magical purposes.

Well i somehow got hold of 45 quid in the last week and now have all of series 1, money well spent, a total headrush, and possibly contact from the entity Barbelith. Just three more TPB's and i've got the lot. Thanks Bedhead for stopping me from downloading them and reading them off the PC, it wouldn't of been half as good.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
14:57 / 23.03.04
it's so good when an important voice in the business shed some balanced light on a controversial topic like this. Warren Ellis had this to say in his Q&A thread at Millarworld:


It bears watching, but only from the initial understanding that there's not a damn thing that can be done about it.

Most comics file-sharing right now is being done through Bit Torrent, which is an excellent app with one fatal flaw: people. For those who don't know it, it's a "swarming" file-sharing system -- the more people handling the file at the same time, the faster the download. The thing is, something like 90% of users close BT after they've downloaded the file. In practise, a BT file has an average active life of somewhere between four hours and one week. Bit Torrent seems to resist centralisation, and so the chances are good that many if not most of the Bit Torrent files active today will have vanished by this time next week.

All of which is to say -- BT/digitised comics are not an economic threat to the comics industry right now.

If CDisplay, the freeware digital comics reader, really catches on, then that's the Winamp for comics. I find it a bit clunky.

It's possible that CDisplayed comics could erode the market for singles. I have my doubts. But I'm watching it with interest.
 
 
Agony70
13:18 / 23.04.04
Just recently (like 2 weeks ago) I've started downloading lots of scanned comics. Most of these I would never have bought in the first place, but there are a few I was considering buying in trades but will not do now (Fantastic Four, Daredevil). Sure the real thing reads better but hey, the fact that this doesn't cost me any money makes up for it.

Do I feel like a bad person? Not at all, as I'll keep buying the series I was already collecting, even if I have scans of them (Y the last man for example). I've spend a *lot* of money on comics in the past, but economics has hurt me real hard (almost lost my house), and thus I consider scans a godsend (also for those comics that are too hard to get anyway).

Plus I like downloading free stuff. Got lots of Xbox games I don't play because I suck at them, but hey, just collecting them is fun too!
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
03:18 / 26.04.04
A friend of mine predicted this nearly four years ago:

RETAIL: .CMX WON'T JUST BE A FINNISH BAND

Now that it's come to pass, I think it's just as well. The argument made by the music industry is full of holes and ignores the real reasons behind diminishing profits. The only somewhat higher moral ground the comics industry has is that their profits aren't nearly those of larger media, thus whatever chunk of their business that does hinge on whether or not someone would rather buy the physical document or download a copy for free, no matter how small, is of a larger percentage. Still, I don't think this has really caught on yet among existing comic readers, and I think that it can serve as a means of getting the word out to the more comicphobic. Plus, it lends itself to new models of publishing and sales, which my friend ALSO put out there four years ago, too:

RETAIL: WILLY WONKA AND THE COMIC BOOK FACTORY

It's a nice and, yes, smug feeling to be familiar with these concepts years in advance of most others. Ride that zeitgeist.

VJB2
 
 
bookguy
23:47 / 04.05.04
Well, I don't want to get flamed or banned or anything (particularly as I just got here!) But this bittorrent site is the answer to your file-sharing questions: zcultFM

Its 4 trackers have a lot of old and unavailable stuff, so just take that if you don't agree with the new stuff being available online. I only use it for old stuff and archiving what I already have on paper...
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
09:31 / 05.07.04
Ahem.

I do believe we may be infested with a spy in the house of Love. (That one's for fans of the OTHER Morrison.)

OK, maybe not actually, seeing as the meme has been out there for four years or so. But that article I referenced in my previous post, ".CMX Won't Just Be A Finnish Band"?

Yeah, well, here.

OK fine, I'm sure it was inevitable. And no, the brand isn't for the same idea, per se. It just makes the hairs on the back of one's neck stand up when not two months after that column is rescued from obscurity that this should be announced. Surely it is all just a horrible coincidence. But it doesn't help the paranoia otherwise.

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ONLY NICE THINGS
11:23 / 05.07.04
I do believe we may be infested with a spy in the house of Love. (That one's for fans of the OTHER Morrison.)

What, Anais Nin cowrote it with Robbie Morrison? I had no idea...

"Grud on a Greenie! She's using the sexual mores of men to show up the inequality in the liberation of the sexes!"

"Drokk!"


I think we can safely assume that this is not a spoiling tactic from somebody who, reading Barbelith one day, spotted a link and thought "Ah-ha! I'll settle that CMX's hash!".

On the other hand, given that Barbelith is a forum with many members, many of whom are devoted fans of my old mate George Morrison, an avowed opponent of comic file sharing, IIRC, it might be best to bear in mind that you might get a bit of resistance...
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
05:29 / 06.07.04
I have no idea what any of that meant. Damn you Belgians.

And it's Robbie Krieger if we're even to be in the right time zone on this one.

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ONLY NICE THINGS
07:23 / 06.07.04
Anais Nin wrote "A Spy in the House of Love".

Robbie Morrison wrote for "Judge Dredd: the Mega-Zine". I think he has parlayed that into a stint on the bloated remains of The Authority.

Together, they fight comic file sharing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:34 / 06.07.04
I dodn't download comics... not saying I've never been tempted, but I'd rather not.

Also, there is the practicality issue- last year I bought an (official) CD-Rom of both Luther Arkwright books because it was cheaper than buying them in print. Got it home... got three pages in and thought "fuck this". Never booted it up again but bought the trades the next time I got paid. It feels nicer, and I can actually read the fuckers.

As regards the ethics, yes, I do think it's wrong. Not that knowing something's wrong necessarily stops me doing it, but in the case of something like Flex, where its creator has SPECIFICALLY asked for it not to be done and given specific reasons, I wouldn't do it. Had Vertigo just issued a blanket statement saying "file sharing is wrong", I wouldn't give it as much credence.
 
 
bio k9
23:44 / 11.07.04
I was going to download some Flex Mentallo CBRs but then I remembered that George Morrison doesn't like people to file share his comics so I looked for the issues on ebay instead. A few clicks and $67.42 (plus shipping) later and I'm the soon-to-be proud owner of four beautiful copies of the greatest comic series never reprinted. Yay me!

Still, I can't help but think that if I had downloaded the comics I probably would have bought the trade when (if) it comes out. Ah, well. At least I didn't rip off George or Time Warner and I can feel good about myself in the morning. Maybe comicXsellermanX3000 will send them some of my money.
 
 
Krug
03:04 / 12.07.04
I hate reading comics that I know I'll fall in love with or love, on the computer screen which is why I won't be reading FM scans. I might change my mind if I have a hardon for Flex that I can't get rid of.

I own all of Grant's stuff that I love. I've only read scans of "New Adventures of Hitler" which I'll buy if I can find a reasonably priced copy. And the last year of his X-Men run which I hated and didn't want to waste any more money on but still wanted to see how it ended. Sadly, it didn't improve and I did right by me even if I didn't do right by Marvel or Grant. I even bought trades of his JLA run which I didn't like.

Expecting me to wait "indefinitely" because of silly lawsuits/bad sales or pay seventy fucking dollars for four issues is insane. I won't be doing that.

Ever.

I'm not reading the scans because I'm not in the mood and if I get in the mood for them I will read them. But I will also buy the trade when and if it comes out.

I'm happy I read Miracleman in trades because I did that three years ago and there's still no word on reprints and there won't be for a few more years AT LEAST.

The Filth for example, I bought the first two issues of when it was coming out and I didn't like it at all. I thought I'd come around to it in time for a collection and might feel differently then. I was itching to read the scans when the series was almost at the end but I decided to wait because I wanted to read it in my hands. I bought the trade yesterday and I'm not sure if I'll like the book at all.

Why did I buy it?

Only because Grant wrote it and I am willing to take a chance on his work even if I could be spending my twenty dollars on something I know I'll like. I might end up loving the filth anyway, I'm not convincing myself to hate it.

Everything he's planning to do now interests me and I'll everything he puts out. I'll only read the scans if I can't tolerate waiting anymore, but I'll still buy the trade when it comes out because scans cannot compete with the real thing and they never will be able to.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
03:21 / 12.07.04
I've been downloading tonnes of comics of late, but usually only things that are not currently in print. For example, I'm looking at several years of PAD's Hulk and the entire run of Spider Man 2099 as we speak. Thanks to file-sharing I now understand the concept of the Legion of Super Heroes and would be following the current series if it wasn't being canceled. I downloaded Gotham Central up to current and once I realized how good it was, I deleted the archive, bought the tpb and added it to my pull list.

That's what I like about comics file-sharing... there's so much stuff that out there that in the past could only be accessed in the secondary market which is now more freely available.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
10:15 / 12.07.04
For example, I'm looking at several years of PAD's Hulk and the entire run of Spider Man 2099 as we speak.

I was a big fan of many of the 2099 books back in the day, especially Spidey, to the extent that it's the only comic I've ever had a fan letter printed in. (They edited it to fuck, the result of which some little snot wrote me to waggle his finger about shit I could prove I'd said.) It's too bad that at some point Marvel just fed the whole line a poison capsule and let it die. I am eyeing the whole MARVEL KNIGHTS 2099 upcoming book with a mix of dread and glee. We shall see.

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Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
22:25 / 12.07.04
The MK 2099 thing is completely unrelated to the old 2099, in case you're curious.

And yeah, some of Marvel's best output of the 90's was in the 2099 books. Spider-Man 2099, some of X-Men 2099, the brillant cyberpunk action of early Ghost Rider 2099.

My favourite, though, has got to be Doom 2099. J.F. Moore's run had some cheesy bits but was mostly excellent and it only got better as it spiraled into Ellis' run. And this was before Ellis had developed his current "safe Ellis style". I still consider Doom 2099 from beginnig to the end of Ellis' run to be the best Doom story ever told. The whole American Ceasar arc was just horrific and intense.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
08:18 / 16.07.04
The MK 2099 thing is completely unrelated to the old 2099, in case you're curious.

Bloody cockteases. What's the fucking POINT, then?

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