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Invisibles Timeline Question

 
 
eric minutes
16:44 / 28.07.03
Just wanted some opinions on when the King Mob "Hexy" and "And We're All Police Men" stories take place in the big Invisbles timeline...the one clue I have in the "hexy" story is that King Mob is in London and he states that his team is out of the country...am I wrong to say that they are in London the whole of vol.1? And on Grant's site in the script for "Police Men" he writes that this story should take place directly after the last page of vol.3 #1.....but some how that doesn't seem right...and that story came out in 98 so it might have changed..let me know what ya think.
 
 
John Adlin
17:15 / 28.07.03
As far as I understand it Hexxy takes place 1-2 months before the events in Vol 1 no 1 Its a prequel to the Invisibles series.

on the subject of "Policemen" personal opinion is that is a Gideon Stargrave/Kirk Morrison story and the event happen to one of KM's fiction suits.
 
 
--
18:36 / 28.07.03
I thought the "Policeman" story was KM's dream world upon entering the Supercontext.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:37 / 28.07.03
Yes, according to Grant '...Policemen' is some sort of weird dream/reality thing that KM experiences for the first few 'seconds' of entering the supercontext after 3.1. The explosion of the universe at the end of the story is as he enters it properly. From what little I can remember of the Tibetan Book of the Dead aren't you supposed to have strange visions as you die before reincarnating or going on to whatever's beyond? 'Policemen' is KMs 'Jacob's Ladder' before he is born into AllNow.
 
 
eric minutes
22:40 / 28.07.03
Wow....I was kind of lost....thanks for the replys....its all making sense now...if you look at "Hexy" as a prequel and "Police Men" as the ending,,,,it makes perfect sense....the last thing Mob says at the end of both of those stories is "Nice and Smooth"...and it is indeed that.
 
 
Baz Auckland
16:52 / 29.07.03
What's 'Hexy'? I missed that one...
 
 
eric minutes
18:38 / 29.07.03
"Hexy" was a short King Mob solo story that came out in Absolute Vertigo...with art by Duncan Fegredo....Hope that helps.
 
 
diz
19:38 / 29.07.03
OK, then, what's "Policeman?" ~smirk~
 
 
diz
19:39 / 29.07.03
oh, and where can we get these now?
 
 
eric minutes
07:37 / 30.07.03
The "And We're All Police Men" short story came out in Vertigo Winter's Edge #1....with some sweet Philip Bond art work....I recomend picking it up...maybe try ebay...thats where I found my copy.
 
 
adamswish
14:00 / 31.07.03
and for the completists out there don't forget the written short story "I'm a Policeman" that can be found in either Disco 2000, or Lovely Biscuits.

It's basically another version of "...and we're all Policemen"
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
14:06 / 31.07.03
Did anyone get the Disco 2000 album, with the 'I'm a Policeman' song? Was it any good?
 
 
diz
15:16 / 31.07.03
actually, i just realized after i got home yesterday and checked that "And We're All Police Men" is included in Counting To None, the middle trade paperback for Vol II, so i have it and i've already read it. silly me.

is "Hexy" in any of the trades?
 
 
The Natural Way
15:41 / 31.07.03
Yeah, Policemen is the moment of swirling down the 2012 plughole: that's why it's so condensed and pop and superfast. And gorgeous. There's something sad, almost, about the thing - The final goodbye and the cheering crowds....

The bit where the sexbot morphs into Robin still fucking moves me.
 
 
eric minutes
15:44 / 31.07.03
Hey...Black Jezzus what issues do they place the "Police Men" story between in the trade?? Just curious?
 
 
The Natural Way
17:58 / 31.07.03
Thend.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:50 / 31.07.03
hurrah for the invisibles!

and the 'shining ones' down south.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
22:45 / 31.07.03
i never realized that was the [super]context for "Policeman." fuck. did everyone just figure this out independently or was there an interview or something yr referencing that helps you pretend to be so smart? or was it just hashed out in the shining nexus days?
 
 
The Natural Way
12:02 / 01.08.03
I definitely did figure it out independently (tho' I would have originally described it as KM in the bardo, afore I finished V3), but Morrison's confirmed it, too.
 
 
eric minutes
18:03 / 01.08.03
Does any body have a link to an interview or something, where Grant might have disscussed this?? Much appreciated.
 
 
Dave Philpott
01:47 / 02.08.03
ANARCHY FOR THE MASSES has a section dedicated to this very topic. Most here are divided on the quality of ANARCHY, but I found it to be a great reference manual. Go to the Disinfo website, they have it for about 20 American or so.
 
 
Pabloboy
13:20 / 07.08.03
About when "Hexy" takes place:

The way I remember it, it's after the first TPB "Say You want a Revolution" (well, after #9 which is actually the ending of that story).

King Mob wants to find out who betrayed them to Sir Miles and Orlando and gave away the location of the windmill.
 
 
The Natural Way
16:08 / 07.08.03
Hmmm.... I think I was one of the Barbedaves that gave the impression they didn't like the book. I'd just like to say for the record, that I did like it, but I didn't like the way they shoved stuff under the carpet that didn't fit their model. The whole "Robin's baby is a Red Herring" thing irritated me. It's not like it's hard to gemmy it in there.
 
 
eric minutes
17:15 / 07.08.03
About when Hexy takes place:

Yeah Pabloboy...I thought the same thing...but the thing that threw me off was that King Mob is in London and says that his whole team is out of the country...and if I'm not mistaken...the team is in London all of Volume 1....so that's what leads me to agree with the person who said it's more of a prequel.
 
 
buttergun
16:11 / 11.04.05
It’s a shame "Hexy" was never collected in the trade paperbacks. Why wasn’t it? Did Morrison/Vertigo just forget about it, or were there problems with continuity? I mean, if they could haphazardly place “We Are All Policemen” at the tail end of “Counting to None,” then they could’ve put this one anywhere, though most likely it would’ve fit best in “Say You Want a Revolution.” Morrison has Hexy listed right after the first 4 issues of Volume 1 of the Invisibles, on his website. Maybe that’s when it takes place? Hard to say, as King Mob mentions in it that the rest of his cell are out of the country. Maybe it’s a prologue to the series.

This was the only Invisibles story I didn’t have, and for years I wanted to get it. But due to the popularity of Preacher, “Absolute Vertigo,” was always going for high prices, due to it containing the first appearance of Preacher. Luckily prices have dropped, and I just got this one-shot for under $2 US. Not bad!

The story’s a mere 6 pages, with inky but detailed artwork from Duncan Fegredro. His art is pretty good, and would’ve fit in well with the artwork in Volume 1. It’s not as dynamic as Phil Jimenez’s, more along the lines of Yeowell or Jill Cramer. I like it better than both of theirs, though. The story itself has that offbeat charm characteristic of the early Invisibles issues.

For those who’ve never read Hexy, here’s a quick rundown: it opens with King Mob, in that way-cool Volume 1 pointy leather jacket of his, sitting on the floor of a dominatrix’s place. The dominatrix is named Joni, and KM has come to her because he’s been waylaid by a voodoo doll-type thing that’s hexed him. KM states that, since the rest of his cell is out of the country, he had to come to Joni, as she’s the only Invisible ally he knows who can help him.

Joni says the only way to beat the hex is to find a counter-sigil, but this sigil will be nigh-impossible to locate, as it would manifest itself in unusual ways, ie the flight patterns of birds. KM drives out into the countryside, looking for signs. While driving, he listens to a Brisith politician on TV (KM must be ahead of the times, as he apparently has a TV in his car). The politician is talking about a new chip that will monitor everyone, and states how the only people who should have anything to fear from this are criminals.

KM walks around in a Stonehenge-type place, trying to pick up signs. No luck. Miserable, he gets back in his car, and the politician is still talking. As he drives to London, KM (who narrates the story) begins to rerun the politician’s comments in a stream-of-consciousness fashion. Eventually he comes to this realization: “Dominate. The hidden goddess.”

We cut to Joni, still in her S&M gear, whipping a man who hangs from the ceiling and who is totally wrapped up in bondage leather. KM barges in, headress on, and demands to know when Joni went to “the other side.” Joni tells KM she’s a material girl, and went over because the other side has more money. She tries to sidetrack KM by telling him she didn’t plan on killing him, while she secretly reaches for a revolver. She whips it out, but KM already has his .45 in hand and blasts a few holes in her chest.

As she collapses onto the wall, Joni’s blood-spattered hands mark a trail as she slides to the ground. “Jesus, Joni!” KM says. “We could’ve talked about this over coffee.” Joni dies, and KM is pleased to see that the blood-tracks left by her hands on the wall are the sigil he has been searching for.

KM goes over to the hanging man, unzips his mask. It’s the politican he saw on TV. KM tells him it was the rope-burns he saw on the politician’s neck on TV that made him realize Joni was behind the hex. KM zips the mask back up and tightens the politican’s bonds until the man dies, screaming in agony. KM then leaves, saying “Nice and smooth” to himself as he walks down the stairs. The end.

All told, it’s a slight story, but entertaining. I wonder why it’s not available anywhere else. Like I said, it has that Volume 1 vibe, and it’s always nice to see KM in his headress
 
 
This Sunday
11:34 / 12.04.05
'Hexy' is before the series proper. After the final issue #1, or in the moment of the last bits of that issue, comes 'We're All Policemen...' only from KM's perspective rather than Dane/us.
Why 'Hexy' isn't TPBed and why 'We're All...' is collected where it is... I dunno.
 
 
I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:44 / 12.04.05
Hexy's kind of light on plot and consequence. I think it's just Grant wanking off, to be honest. PM me if you want details on how to get it.
 
 
This Sunday
14:10 / 12.04.05
Actually - and I hate that I'm getting in this habit of very quickly responding in cetain threads, over and over, but - I don't think Hexy's all that terribly light. It's another case of putting the whole series in a short sequence, just a lot smoother this time around. From bloody violence and the only time we really see KM doing some assassiny stuff, to the 'Christ, Joni' cuppa coffee, you've got his entire development over the next X years of stories. Sigils, the difficulty of uncovering them, betrayal, seductiveness of the enemy OC, similarity and fluidity between sides, sex and death and politics, and of course, nice and smooth.
And, I quite like the art. Same guy who did Milligan's 'Enigma', yeah? My tastes, though, are suspect. I may be the only person who loves the Thompson artwork so much more than the later Jimenez stuff. He does a better Jack, but her background stuff, and her Mob, Fanny, and Robin work so much better for me.
If Fregredo (whose name I've now slaughtered) had done whole issues of the series proper, it would only have raised the bar.
 
 
Ganesh
14:51 / 12.04.05
Hexy is indeed somewhat slight, but none the worse for that. I suppose a 'mark of the beast' type parallel is being drawn between 'hex sigils' and ID cards (hello Mr Blunkett), with the loose implication that encoding everyone's name and personal details on a unique chip or card might leave them vulnerable to hexing. The idea that possessing someone's name (in the form of a chip/mark/sigil) grants one power over that person.
 
  
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