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LXG and public domain (a few spoilers but not really anything significant)

 
 
w1rebaby
01:13 / 23.07.03
I know that reviews of the film have been done to death on other threads, but I thought someone might appreciate this take on it based on the idea of public domain licences.

Comic Adaptation - Why the big-screen version of ‘The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen’ is a failure

One of the film’s problems, and the comic book’s strengths, is enormously relevant in an age of rampant online file-sharing and courtroom wars over extension of the copyright term. In the comic book, Moore shows the benefit of having a rich public domain. He plucks old characters from obscurity, brings them together and makes them dance. The public domain works the way it’s supposed to. New creators enliven old works and send interested readers scurrying back to the original texts.

At the same time, the film illustrates how modern copyrights restrict the use of established cultural texts that should be in the public domain. For American audiences, Tom Sawyer is added to the mix, but evidently Fox couldn’t clear his film rights, so he’s referred to only as “agent Sawyer.” A friend of mine walked out of the movie having no idea Mark Twain’s rambunctious kid was all grown up and inexplicably sneaking about London with a shotgun.

Then there’s the film’s generic invisible man. Though H. G. Well’s lunatic scientist, Hawley Griffin, was available to Moore for the comic book, Universal made “The Invisible Man” in the ’30s and still owns film rights. So this is an invisible man named Rodney Skinner, and his awkward origin story, explained early in the movie, brings the momentum crashing to a halt. A better script could have fixed these flaws, but someone didn’t love the film enough to care...

...Here’s a disclaimer: my wife, Jennifer Granick, and her boss at Stanford Law School, Larry Lessig, spend a lot of time worrying about how Hollywood bigfoots like Disney successfully lobby Congress to extend the copyright term and keep works out of the public domain. In Eldred vs. Ashcroft, recently argued before the Supreme Court, Lessig tried to stop the most recent extension of the copyright term an additional 20 years, or a total 70 years past the life of the creator. He lost. Most Americans shrugged their shoulders.

“The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen,” both the comic and the film, demonstrate why ordinary people should care about Lessig’s cause. A rich public domain enables creative geniuses like Alan Moore to reach into society’s collective memory and produce complex, fun and socially valuable works. The existence of the “League” comic doesn’t harm the original creators, it directs a new generation of fans back to the source material that continues to inspire pop fiction today. Meanwhile, the film shows how ridiculous copyright restrictions have become. Fox probably could have used Wells’s original invisible man but didn’t want to risk an expensive legal skirmish with Universal. Just the existence of onerous copyright law has a chilling effect on creators.


found on creativecommons.org

Personally I think he has a very good point.

Incidentally, I got to this because I noticed that the latest version of Movable Type has an option for selecting a Creative Commons licence for your blog.
 
 
Red Cross Iodized Salt
03:28 / 24.07.03
The irony of the Sonny Bono Copyright Extension Act (as it is known) is that it was pushed through by Disney's pet senators so that Mickey Mouse wouldn't become public domain. Who has benefitted more from public domain characters (Snow White, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, etc) than Disney?
 
 
andy kabul
12:47 / 24.07.03
And now we have a new Sinbad. The folk tales of Arabia now being plundered (again), losing, I imagine, referances to Allah etc. More to the point, what in the Samael is the divine Eris doing in there. Last I heard, she was Greek. Are Dreamworks becoming meta-pantheists, or do they just not give a shit.
Answers on a postcard....
 
 
w1rebaby
20:39 / 27.07.03
Can you copyright Sinbad? I would have thought that Disney using Sinbad was a good example of possible flaws in the public domain concept, that powerful interests can hijack the original point. (Sinbad doesn't worry me as much as giving the Hunchback of Notre Dame a happy ending.)

I remember that TSR once referred to Nazis™ in one of their games...
 
 
andy kabul
07:21 / 28.07.03
And the Marvel Superheros RPG trademarked Death.
 
 
Chubby P
11:40 / 26.09.03
Studio sued over superhero movie

A Hollywood producer and a screenwriter are suing 20th Century Fox, accusing it of stealing the idea for the movie The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.
Martin Poll and Larry Cohen are seeking $100m (£60m) in damages, $35m (£21m) more than the film made in the US.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, starring Sir Sean Connery, brought together a team of Victorian-era heroes including Captain Nemo and Dorian Gray.

Fox has dismissed the lawsuit as "absurd nonsense".

The company said the film was based on a graphic novel created by comic book creator Alan Moore.

But the lawsuit alleges that Mr Cohen and Mr Poll pitched the idea to Fox several times between 1993 and 1996, under the name the Cast of Characters.

It goes on to allege that Fox commissioned Mr Moore to create the comic book as "smokescreen" for poaching the idea, and cutting the pair out of the production.

Plagiarism

"The similarities between the two products are so striking that there's no question that one has been taken from the other," the two plaintiffs' lawyer Bijan Amini said.

Mr Cohen was the screenwriter on the Fox thriller Phone Booth, starring Colin Farrell, while Mr Poll has produced Woody Allen's Love and Death and the 1968 film The Lion in Winter.

The pair allege Fox hired screenwriters to adapt Mr Moore's book in 1998, as reported in trade paper Variety, but the novel itself was not finished until the following year.

Fox has previously been forced to pay $19m (£13m) to a small publishing firm for plagiarising a script written by a school teacher to make its movie Jingle All the Way, which starred Arnold Schwarzenegger.

BBC News
 
 
Lullaboozler
15:07 / 26.09.03
It goes on to allege that Fox commissioned Mr Moore to create the comic book as "smokescreen" for poaching the idea, and cutting the pair out of the production.

Is this for real? Next they'll be cliaming that they'd been pitching an idea for a Jack the Ripper film, only for From Hell to come along in comic book form and ruin their chances of seeing it made.

I trust the judge will laugh this one out of court, citing Occam's Razor...
 
 
sleazenation
15:38 / 26.09.03
interesting and disappointing by turns...

I did wonder why Fox decided to pay moore any money at all since they were using public domain characters to tell a story that is quite disimilar to morres graphic novel...
 
 
gridley
16:25 / 26.09.03
From Scifi wire:

According to the complaint for copyright infringement, filed Sept. 25 in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, Poll communicated with Fox as early as 1993 about a feature titled Cast of Characters, a fictional struggle revolving around Alan Quatermain and Sherlock Holmes battling James Moriarty and Dorian Gray, the trade paper reported.

Sounds like a winnable case to me. Fox will most likely settle out of court, don't you think?
 
 
grant
17:21 / 26.09.03
my wife, Jennifer Granick,

Hey! I know her! Cool!

She's the star of my craps filecard - at the Nugget in Reno, she turned $20 into $200 in two throws.

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Those writers will totally win a settlement, and possibly the suit if it goes unsettled. And maybe they should - I'm not sure the execs would've gone for the idea if they hadn't heard it before, and I'm not sure a judge would understand the concept of a serialized comic being bought before its completion.

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I think Disney is still trying to recover from "Mickey Mouse" turning into an adjective meaning "trivial" and "shoddy."

They'll never get over it.

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I also think that a better script could have gotten around any problems with public domain. But I believe a better script can also leap tall buildings with a single bound and cure cancer.
 
 
Panic
21:53 / 28.09.03
Larry Cohen's one of the plaintiffs? God Told Me To Larry Cohen? Q, the Winged Serpent Larry Cohen?

Man, I've lost a hell of a lot of respect for him over this.
 
  
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