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ShitStorm Times Pattern?

 
  

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H3ct0r L1m4
05:34 / 16.07.03
has anyone clever and/or sensitive enough to get these things getting a very bad vibe for these times [around 2 months ago until now]? I don't mean on a general level with wars and everything, but on a more personal level - that could reflect the bigger picture anyway.

I feel these are very ShitStorm times for myself and a lot of people around me. or this could be just me and my friends being fucked in the wrong country.
 
 
Salamander
12:43 / 16.07.03
I get a general sense that if something isn't done, were going to ride our happy asses right into a new dark age.
 
 
tbedlam
13:32 / 16.07.03
word.
and they say, think positive thoughts of lovey magick, and things will turn around. . .to some extent, I believe this is true, but not to enough of an extent that I can believe that this is all I should do.
got that kind of impending doom feeling, but not sure what to try and heal first. . .
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
13:40 / 16.07.03
Something's up, I think. I've been having my weird headache crap happen off and on for no reason, and I can't find a job at all...
Either then that my life has been fairly normal (by my life's standards, anyway), but almost everyone else I know is having serious problems of varying sorts.
 
 
tbedlam
13:46 / 16.07.03
the relationship between nature and magick always seems to come into my head when I get these tingly bad feelings. . .

makes me realize im not sure what nature is.

Grant Morrison once said, "Either you trust nature or you don't. And I trust nature"!

what the fuck is nature??
 
 
gravitybitch
13:47 / 16.07.03
On a personal level, things are ok but not great for me, but I get this huge sinking feeling everytime I pay attention to the serious news (I don't even pay attention to the local coverage anymore - it's all "guns&bunnies").

I was vaguely aware of happenings in the 60's, and have the feeling now that we're going to have to recreate that feeling of solidarity that activists had then. I really don't believe that much will come of individuals working in solitary fashion to heal things... but that great public outcry still has a chance. Especially if fused with group ritual - in both cases the sum is greater than the parts, and magick may give public outcry some much-needed teeth.

Whether or not that's enough to derail the Bush Holy War Machine, I don't know. I haven't made plans yet as to where I'm going to move if things get too ugly, or drawn any lines to define what "too ugly" is....
 
 
tbedlam
13:54 / 16.07.03
Yeah, the group thing is definitely a good idea.
Hail the age of the group things!

seriously.
 
 
--
14:28 / 16.07.03
I feel depressed, sickly, and on the verge of mental collapse. Fortunetly, that's how I've felt for most of my life, so I'm used to it by this point.
 
 
Salamander
18:15 / 16.07.03
I dont think activism will work anymore, it didn't work in the sixties, we don't have utopia and all the baby boomers (and when I say all I mean MOST) are pathetic characetures of everything they despised. I myself advocate for piracy and general fuckoff anarchy, if the activism thing does start to make a SIGNIFICANT change, not just men with long hair being generally accepted, then I'll pitch in with you hippy activists, as long as it suits me,
 
 
Papess
19:15 / 16.07.03
na·ture

1. The material world and its phenomena.

2. The forces and processes that produce and control all the phenomena of the material world: the laws of nature.

3. The world of living things and the outdoors: the beauties of nature.

4. A primitive state of existence, untouched and uninfluenced by civilization or artificiality: couldn't tolerate city life anymore and went back to nature.

5. Theology. Humankind's natural state as distinguished from the state of grace.

6. A kind or sort: confidences of a personal nature.

7. The essential characteristics and qualities of a person or thing: “She was only strong and sweet and in her nature when she was really deep in trouble” (Gertrude Stein).

8. The fundamental character or disposition of a person; temperament: “Strange natures made a brotherhood of ill” (Percy Bysshe Shelley).

9. The natural or real aspect of a person, place, or thing.

10.The processes and functions of the body.


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[Middle English, essential properties of a thing, from Old French, from Latin ntra, from ntus, past participle of nsc, to be born. See gen- in Indo-European Roots.]

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.




Which one do ya think GM meant?
 
 
*
22:36 / 16.07.03
Thank you all for your good work.

--The Watched Pot Society


Sorry, I was asked to relay that.

So, it seems time is short. Who wants to help me build the floating island? We need engineers of all sorts, people who know about hydroponics, some electricians, solar and wind power experts, people knowledgeable in growing edible plants and animals, some aquaculture people, and either a shit-ton of fiberglass or enough money to buy a decom aircraft carrier. Who among you can build for me an ark?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
00:04 / 17.07.03
umm... I can draw pretty pictures and sing songs foryou, entitything....

Anarchy and piracy for all!
 
 
*
00:08 / 17.07.03
Artists and musicians more than welcome, Spyder. In your spare time you may fish and weed the garden.
 
 
gravitybitch
06:20 / 17.07.03
I dont think activism will work anymore, it didn't work in the sixties

Excuse me??? The flowering of the Civil Rights movement, the widespread use of psychedelics (and subsequent Silicon Valley innovation and creativity), the "Sexual Revolution" and birth of both queer activism and feminism didn't work????

No, we don't live in any Utopia, but the world would be a much less pleasant place if free love, LSD, and Woodstock had never happened. We owe a lot to sex, drugs, and rock&roll!!

The nature of activism has changed - livecam updates from Seattle count, as do hacktivism and e-mail communication of memes and cell-phone brigades... and in the words of Margaret Mead:

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it is the only thing that ever has.
 
 
Neville Barker
07:53 / 17.07.03
so somebody hack a HUGE database (or message me and teach me how) and lets think up a good mass email to send off to ALOT of unsuspecting people that just might freak them out enough to enable some kind of change (shit, just to get people thinking those queer thoughts that people think when weird shit happens may be enough to start up some kind of change). Let's have some ideas! (I'll check back with some soon, after this damn alcohol stops making me think about just going out and black balling billboards all across Chicago!) We need something remotely akin to a David Fincher film, but distilled into a couple of profound sentences!
(one thing I often do that seems strange but can be quite interesting, go out, and when You pass by people, especially someone who looks quite grumpy, make DIRECT EYE CONTACT with them and give them a BIG SMILE. it offsets their ego and makes them think twice!)
Cheers
 
 
Neville Barker
07:55 / 17.07.03
To offset the ego is the key to everything. Tipheret. the 6 baby, extreme ego disruption leads to BALANCE AND HARMONY.
 
 
arachnephorm23
10:50 / 17.07.03
We create our own Hells and our own Heavens..... Up to us to crawl out of our own cesspits and start living for the Present and for the Future - through a process of self-liberation..... We don't have to conform to any Dangerous Hallucinations that the Media attempt to shove down our throats.........
 
 
Salamander
12:40 / 17.07.03
Well ok then, let me know how it goes, for now though I'm gonna keep collecting dubloons from the scurvy slavish dogs, arrrrrg,
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
13:14 / 17.07.03
Not to rain on Iszabelle's parade, but the sexual revolution of the sixties and seventies was real just a throw back to the sexual revolution of the twenties....
any way...
Hurrah! I get to join entitythings ark! Right after HN and I overthrow the United States government and Global Media!
Oh, and Arachne's right. I'd just like to say that. From one spider to another.
 
 
cusm
16:15 / 17.07.03
Well, if you're trusting Nature, this might have something to do with it.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
05:08 / 18.07.03
hhmmm. Mars never closer than now? makes a lot of sense to me on some level. what to do? duck and cover until we're better? we can hold on until the boot let go our heads but there's always the option to try and fight back, run, twist the leg of the boot's owner. or get a kick out of the pain.

getting [or adding] more noise to signal in some Tyler Durden manifesto-fashion happen to everybody in different times of their lives. but collectively these times seem to me [sticking with FIGHT CLUB for a moment] the moment Jack realized he and Tyler were one and the same.

this may be on a too personal level, but it's always fun and makes us feel not so alone when you find others sharing the same frequency [aarrrrgh]. I feel like there's a huge load of crap over my shoulders and my head right now. INVISIVBLES-readers will get this. and it's not because of isolated events, but a tide of littered sea coming up in stronger waves.

so, any tips on readings to learn how to better offset the ego? this always seemed to me like a step further in Magick practise. one I don't know I'm quite fit for right now.
 
 
illmatic
07:26 / 18.07.03
I'm sorry Sypder, but the social changes that happened in the wake of WW2 were far more important in bringing about the 'sixties, and the "sexual revolution" than anything that happened in the 'twenties.

Where are you talking about anyway? The only thing I can think of that could vaugely be construed as undergoing a "sexual revolution" in the 'twenties is the Weimar republic in Germany, specifically Berlin, and there's no casual link between this and the libertarian spirit of the 'sixties.
 
 
illmatic
07:43 / 18.07.03
Just read your post again - in what sense was what happened in the 60/70's (which included the widespread contraception, the Pill and massive econimc growth in the wake of WW2) "really just a throwback" to the 'twenties!!?
 
 
penitentvandal
10:30 / 18.07.03
People just like to say that, Ill. The twenties really has more of a connection to the seventies, when all the glam kids watched Cabaret and decided it would be a jolly good idea to try and recreate the Weimar Republic in Wolverhampton. And why not? It could only ever be an improvement...

Hmmm. I've been concentrating on my poetry-magick for the last two months or so, alternating with some body-alteration work and an ongoing invocation of several personal gods (Hicks, HST, and pretty much the entire cast of Velvet Goldmine) to augment it, so I've not been engaging in any global analyses - but this thing about Mars coming close to the Earth is very interesting. Cabalistically, Mars is associated with Geburah, the sphere of stern judgement, the sphere where the false gets burned away, kinda like the Phoenix in the X-Men books. (I think that's the right association - maybe one of the cabala fiends here can correct me if I'm wrong). Crowley always preferred to think of 'judgement' as 'adjustment', things moving into balance, the correction of mistakes, a new equilibrium etc, and that relates to geburah's connection to Tiphareth, I guess. It's interesting how much this 'Mars meme' has been trickling through pop culture and seems to be coming to a head now. I mean, to name but two (rather trivial) examples, we've got the conclusion of LOEG2, the British Empire vs. the Martians, due any day now, and Mars Attacks! is being shown on ITV on saturday night. And the beeb have been advertising their Saturday night movie, Deep Impact (which is itself a remake of When Worlds Collide) using Holst's Mars, the bringer of war as the trailer music.

What does it all mean? I dunno, really. Change, at a guess - sudden, massive, violent change, leading to a reassessment of the order of things. It might be a physical war - but there's always one of them going on somewhere. If I was being a politics bore, I'd say maybe something'll happen in Israel, but my instincts say no. Iraq? Well, there've been soldiers being picked off there for weeks now - it's difficult to say what kind of massive change (besides Saddam either nuking the country or getting disembowelled by Shrub) we'll see there. Internal trouble, perhaps, in the US? More and more grumbling about wanting the troops to come home...Another terrorist attack? Again, my instincts say that's not likely. So what? Like I say, I don't know. It'll be something mad that we're not expecting; something that fucks with our minds violently and means we have to reassess.

Oh, another Mars synchronicity - the Mars Volta released a new album recently.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
14:55 / 18.07.03
H. G. Wells worse nightmare coming true? Or just strange coincidence?

Ill, the sexual revolution of the twenties was a cultural revolt against the Victorian mindset, just like the sixties/seventies one was a cultural revolt against the post-WW2 American mindset. The twenties revolution was mostly in Europe, just like the sixties/seventies revolution was mostly in America. It's all about a younger generation revolting against an overly-conservative mindset of their elders.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:37 / 18.07.03
Ho for unhelpful and inaccurate generalisations...

Which sexual revolution of the twenties are we talking about here, Spyder? Flappers? Female emancipation? Berlin cabaret acts? High-class members of the shady set getting coked up and naughty? Who took part? Who did it affect?

If you mean that female emancipation and the increasing numbers of women working in jobs outside domestic employment set the scene for sixties and seventies feminism, well, I agree, though I do think that these developments had less to do with reaction against the Victorians than with the economic realities of the Great War and its immediate aftermath. Reaction against the Victorians a-la Lytton Strachey was more an intellectual preoccupation of the Bloomsbury set than of the general populace during the 1920s, I'd say.
 
 
Salamander
01:10 / 19.07.03
Also, the twentys was a time for anarchONists, and the G(OPPRESSORS)OVERnment, like in the sixties and seventies, was overstepping the usual abuses of power to put these p(THE WEAK)eople down. I'm reminded about S(MARTYR)acco and V(HERO)anzetti every time I read something about how U.(ILLUMINATI)S. currenTcy is DOMINATEing the market, and I wish the c(NEOTRIBES)ommunes of the sixties and seventies had worked and we had gotten off of the m(RESOURCE TICKETS)oney addiction, but the c(NEOTRIBES)ommunes failed, they were like primitive tribes set against an inDUSTrialized nation, they got absorbed in just one g(KIDS)eneration, a micro culture formed on the brink of d(ORGASM)issolution.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
20:55 / 19.07.03
uummmmm....
yeah. I was going to reply to you, KCC, but I think HN just said, like, everything I was going to and then some. His was more angry then mine would of been. I know this isn't a great reply, but, yeah. I can't top the Atomic Messanger God. (who is a roach)
 
 
penitentvandal
21:15 / 19.07.03
Another Mars synchronicity for ya - I'm in town today doing some photocopying at a copy shop around the corner from the university, and what's on the stereo? The musical version of War of the Worlds.

Curiouser and curiouser...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
22:01 / 19.07.03
Spyder - if you can concoct a response which I can understand (unlike Hermes's, which I confess I cannot make head or tail of - this may be a failing of mine, but it is hard to tell...) I would be very interested in it. We seem to have moved from a cultural sexual revolution to Italian anarchist politics and I am finding it hard to keep up with the terms of debate.
 
 
illmatic
22:15 / 19.07.03
Spyder - I was just trying to point out what I see as a weak analogy, I don't think whatever occured in the 20's has much relation to the cultural changes of the 60/70's - and I took issue with you using this to "rain on someone else's parade", as you put it. You might say there's some sort of parallel, I suppose, but I don't think one lead to the other, especially when, with reference to events of the 60/70's there are so many other evident causes. I would be interested to hear more on changes in sexual mores in the 20's if anyone wants to post it (or any other changes for that matter, as I know very little about this period).
 
 
Deadwings
02:44 / 20.07.03
The fabric of the world is in upheaval. It's... coming to a head. Everyone talks about 2012, but think about what would happen as we started up the curve towards that supposed crescendo. I'd imagine things would start changing faster and faster, such that everyone on the planet would begin to notice, on some level. General unease at first, maybe, or in some cases jubilance at the sudden growth. In my personal life I've noticed all sorts of interesting changes. I mean, they're always there, things are always happening, but things of greater occult significance seem to be happening with increasing frequency. It's not just you. It's all over the place. Heh.
'IF ARMAGEDDON IS ANYWHERE, IT IS EVERYWHERE.' - Death, Terry Pratchett
 
 
Salamander
05:24 / 20.07.03
Sacco and Vanzetti were hanged because they tried to institure competing forms of currency, to break up US banker monopolies on currency which gives them to this day an unfare advatage, if I remember they were also advocates of of an anarchist socialist society, based on mutual aid instead of mutual competition. So like I said they were hanged and the communes of the sixties were an attept to get away from the economic domination of US currency and, like many small tribal bands the communes could not economically or culturally compete. The sexual revolution always is accopanied in these certain times of cultural rebelion as a contrast to the usually represive attitudes of more stable times. But most sex revolutions are fake, in that not much trancendance is achieved, just mutual kinky masturbation as opposed to the mundane mutual masterbation that goes on in the conservitives bedroom, that is, if anything at all goes on in a consevatives bedroom (snicker) :>
 
 
tbedlam
16:34 / 20.07.03
in response to May Tricks, I have no clue which definition of nature GM meant.

. . .but if i had to guess. . .i'd pick: The fundamental character of a person, place, or thing (maybe including, for a person, his/her will).

whaddya think?
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
19:36 / 20.07.03
KCC, I think Hermes just sort of did that for me...agian. Hmm... HN, you're not, like, a future version of me wearing a different fiction suit, are you?

Illmatic, tat's cool. I personally have always felt that the many different "revolutions" have all just built upon what ever their predessors built, and that the "cycles" of those said revolutions can be looked at in a historical sense.

Deadwings, I was talking about that with someone yesterday. Things are building up, etc. They're part of some liberal Elemental sect, but it's always nice to toss ideas back and forth.

Oh, and Friday night there was a Blood Moon, which reminded me of the whole Mars thing, again.
 
  

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