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Bowie's Outside and the Nathan Adler Diaries

 
 
diz
14:51 / 10.07.03
it seems like people are generally dismissive of Outside as a dated cyberpunk concept album and a failed attempt at career reinvention through a return to the Berlin era with added imitation of early-90s techno and pop-industrial in the vein of NIN.

obviously, the fact that it's set in the crazy future world of 1999 is a bit silly now, and the art-murder/serial killer angle is seen by many as more than a little trite. but i think that, musically, it's one of his strongest albums. i love the atmosphere of the whole thing, with the distorted, nonsensical voice-overs, the cut-up lyrics, the odd piano breaks floating in miasmas of electronics and guitar crunches. i think it's hard to argue that "The Heart's Filthy Lesson" and "Hallo Spaceboy," at least, are not among Bowie's finest, and i would probably extend that to "The Motel" also.

apparently, however, the album didn't do so well, and the difficulties and delays frustrated Bowie to the point where he chose to move on rather than finish the second Nathan Adler CD (supposedly called Contaminate, i believe), despite having recorded all the necessary material, and he never even began making vol 3 (apparently called Afrikaans). lack of enthusiasm on the parts of both artist and audience, as well as the changes in music and such since 1995, seem to have killed any chance of vols 2-3 being released.

this is disappointing to me. like i said, i'm a big fan of Outside.

but what do y'all think?
 
 
penitentvandal
15:56 / 10.07.03
Well, I can kind of live without the further adventures of Nathan Adler, but I like Outside musically. Some of the tunes on it are a bit makeweight and obviously just there to help along the concept (the Ramona A Stone tune and 'Wishful Beginnings' spring to mind here) but overall I think it's a pretty good album. Certainly better than Heathen...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:03 / 10.07.03
Must admit I prefer Earthling myself, though I agree that 'The Hearts...' and 'Hello Spaceboy' are mighty tunes.
 
 
Seth
17:30 / 10.07.03
I think it's a great record, but I'd have to say that's more Eno's doing than anyone else. He owned that fucking album.

And I'd add Strangers When We Meet as another Bowie classic.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:59 / 10.07.03
Agreed. "Strangers when we meet is a superb song". Likewise "hello spaceboy", "I have not been to Oxford Town", "The Voyeur of Utter Destruction (as beauty)", "Heart's Filthy Lesson".... there is about half of a *really* good album in there. Must confess that I am falling in love with "Heathen" - his voice is so fucked that it seems impossibly brave for him to be singing at all...

In general, recently, Bowie's albums (Outside, Hours, Heathen - I'm less into Earthling) are usually about half good, and the good half is better than so many other things that I find them worth it, but hten I am an old stalwart...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:01 / 10.07.03
Oh, and Bowie ever planning to make a volume 2? I am unconvinced. That's part of the point, surely?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
23:43 / 10.07.03
I quite liked the album - did from the first time I heard snippets of it. It's correct about the Eno observation - the whole "here's what you have to play like today" aesthetic is quite important to the thing, and it wouldn't work otherwise... but I did think it was a bit overreaching as a concept album. There's some truly personal Bowie interests on there - Viennese actionism and other performance art stuff obviously influencing the storyline - but it doesn't hang together as a concept. (But then again, not many "concept" albums do, do they?)

I don't know about sequels: he could be merely yanking the chain. But we'll see. I liked Earthling, too (one of the three who did?) though I've not heard anything after that. He's touring Australia later this year, and I'll probably make the effort...
 
 
cusm
01:37 / 11.07.03
I really liked Outside, and funny this thread should come up when I just started listening to it again lately. The joy of it is almost more in puzzling out the murky details of the story than in the music. Its not just a concept album, its a operatic puzzle. Not only do you have to contend with different characters, but then there's the Minautar as well... I'd really love to see the rest of it produced to get the rest of the story, but I'm also not hopeful that it willactually happen. A real pity, that. I guess it was a bit too deeply puzzly for most. I dug the heck out of it, though.

As for Heathen, its kind of a meta-Bowie album, isn't it? Each track is reminiscent of past styles and characters he's gone through. But mostly I just really really like Sunday. The rest of the album I can take or leave.

And its Black Tie White Noise that's still my favorite, though Earthling runs awfully close, being a really strong album overall. I actually used The Wedding Song and Reprise in my own wedding. So, I'm a bit fond of it
 
 
pasthair
22:35 / 11.07.03
I'm glad someone mentioned "Black Tie White Noise." My mom just got it for me from a thrift store for 1.99 (on CD)!!! It's OK. My favorite thing is that it has a lot of Bowie's sax playing. I love the way he plays the sax and wish he would do it more often.
 
 
at the scarwash
22:04 / 12.07.03
I think that The Buddha of Suburbia soundtrack is my favorite 90s Bowie, at least for the musicianship. Lots of sax playing. "Strangers When we Meet" was first recorded for this project.

The reunion with Mike Garson and Eno on Outside was definitely part of what makes the record work, but its the serious wealth of fucking pop jams that make it a great record.
 
 
matsya
06:32 / 16.07.03
...an ape man with metal parts...

m.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
08:25 / 16.07.03
I think the trilogy was originally going to go ahead- according to a friend of mine who was on Bowie's site obsessively for most of the last few years (especially during the Outside period- we were obsessive Outside acid-heads for a good year or so, sitting up all night figuring out exactly where each character and song fitted into the story), he kept popping up to say what he was gonna do... to much fanboy speculation.
I think the fact that "1: Outside" did really badly probably put the scuppers on that one. (I saw him twice on that tour- once at Wembley when the touts were selling tickets outside for a tenner, and once in Exeter where half the middle-aged female audience screamed throughout the first two tracks and then left when they actually listened to what he sounded like then. Both gigs TOTALLY rocked, though.)

I seem to remember it was supposed to be more than a trilogy, too... some kind of multimedia thing where bits would be albums, bits art installations, blah blah Nitschcakes.

I could be wrong, though. I often am.

However... (deep breath)- I fucking adore Outside. I think, yes, Eno had a fuck of a lot to do with it (like, well, recording an album and getting his mate Dave to sing on it), but I still think it's the best thing Bowie's done since that horrible moment at the start of the 80s when it all went horribly, horribly wrong. (And it still brings a tear to my eye when I recall the horrible beer-soaked death of the bootleg video I had of him on tour with NIN supporting- the whole NIN set, then a bit with him and Trent together doing vocals for each other's songs, then the Outside set... goddamn gravity and the video-destroying capacities of beer).
 
 
Dave Philpott
02:57 / 17.07.03
I have a truly fucked collection (where Anita Baker sits next to Fugazi, and Jean Michel Jarre hangs with Public Enemy) and 1.Outside is my absolute, be-all-end-all, desert-island-disc favorite. Great fucking memories, that album brings up.
 
 
wembley can change in 28 days
10:22 / 28.07.03
That one's also one of my desert-island contenders. What can I say? Anyone who knows me is well aware that I have an unfortunate knack for embracing the twee. But the art-concept side of it more strikes me in a similar way to those 1950s drawings of flying cars that were supposed to be hovering the streets by the year 2000 - it looks a bit stupid because that's not where we went, but the imagination is still remarkable.

Aside from that, I was flabbergasted to see he'd mentioned my sleepy, insipid, WASP-capital hometown (London, Ontario, Canada) as the site of some art crime. Rock! The perfect venue.
 
  
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