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IMP Comics meets Jenny

 
  

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Tamayyurt
23:02 / 09.07.03
I've been possessed with a rather bold idea as of late. Since Moriarty has decided to focus on the Jenny Everywhere site. I've decided to try my hand at self publishing a semi-regular Jenny comic, which I think would be rather difficult because A) I've never put together a comic in my life and B) I can't draw for shit. But it's something I really want to do and if, by a slim chance, my Epic proposal gets picked up I'm going to have to do it anyway.
I've got about 1,000 dollars I'm willing to invest in this project and a 35 page script for issue #1 (I can probably spare $200 from my budget to pay a decent (but not pro) artist to do the first issue. Is that too little? How much are artists going for these days?) And I'd probably use queergranny and the Jenny site as a make shift distributor.
I'm obviously not expecting to get rich (or make any sort of profit) with this project. I simply want to make fun comics and get our Shifter out there. Basically, I'm hoping that issue 1 will pay for issue 2 and so on. Also I'm not holding the title of writer (although I do plan on contributing a lot) but I'll be more like a producer and anyone with a shifter story can submit one. Hell, we can fill the entire second issue with stories already up on the site.

So, suggestions, back up, advice, even trying to talk me out of it will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
Persephone
01:52 / 10.07.03
That's awesome, imp. I can definitely set you up to sell on QG, and I can also run comics to Quimby's and Chicago Comics. Of course there's people who know lots more about publishing comics than I do... like Boy In A Suitcase, IIRC? I'll help out any way I can, though.
 
 
moriarty
02:17 / 10.07.03
I think that's a great idea, if that's where you want to put your money, so don't take the following as a criticism of your plan.

If you want, you can always go the zine route to start with. Flyboy and Nelson are already spreading the word with their zine. I plan on making at least 200 free copies of a Jenny anthology for the Toronto comic convention, Toronto, Ottawa and Montreal shops, zine fairs and mail order. Just a suggestion if you don't want to break the bank.

If you are going to go through with it, do some research first. For instance, if you're going to go through a distributor, most of them have criteria for quality control, like having a certain amount of issues finished before they're distributed. Food for thought.

Good luck, and I'll help if I can.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:40 / 10.07.03
Sounds great, Imp -- I promise I'm going to get our Jenny story done eventually! Sorry I can't help you beyond that at this point - although my recent temp job just ended, so I might be out of work for a while and have more time to draw...we'll see. I think this is a great idea you've come up with, though, and I look forward to seeing it brought to reality!

So this will be like a Jenny anthology comic, if I'm understanding correctly? Maybe the first issue should be the already-existing Jenny stories, since they're already done and provide a great intro. to the Jenny character. Then the 2nd issue could be your new script? Just a thought, for expediency's sake.
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:57 / 10.07.03
I thought of that but I think it would be best if the first issue was pretty tight and consistent just to ease people into the Jenny multiverse, but the story does actually take place in 5 (if not more) differnet universes at the same time. I can put out issue two with existing stories while working (and collecting) stories for issue 3. An anthology comic is kinda right. I was thinking of the nature of the comic like that other goggle sporting hero, Tom Strong, some issues are single stories some are multiple.
 
 
sleazenation
18:48 / 10.07.03
Like moriarty I don't want to sound discouraging in any way but I'd say it is VERY unlikely that issue 1 will pay for issue 2, especially if you expect them to come out with any kind of frequency.

AS for rates of pay for an artist- i've never paid a page rate in return for full rights over the work, but I know someone who has- An american paying an Australian artist $20 US per page (which is a bit more in A$)... I haven't seen the quality of the work so I don't know the results
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
19:23 / 10.07.03
I'm sure you could fill a long run of issues purely with your own scripts, imp, breathlessly prolific fellow that you are. Haven't you already got a fairly sizeable artistic workforce working on yr Shifter strips?
 
 
Persephone
01:01 / 11.07.03
Hey, I did a little something different with the site; I set up the news page as its own blog on Blog*Spot here... moriarty, I'm going to PM you with the username & password, and it's all yours. As you can see, it's set up so that the rest of the site is accessible from the blog & vice versa.

Anyway, the reason I mention it is because the news is that there are a couple of imp's scripts on the site, looking for artists. Perfect for the shy artist, you can check 'em out in the privacy of your own home.
 
 
grant
13:02 / 11.07.03
OOo - can I send in scripts?
 
 
Tamayyurt
14:50 / 11.07.03
Nelson, I probably could do the whole comic with my stuff alone but what's the fun in that? I think it would be great to showcase other creators. But now that I think about it I could get them to help pay for printing maybe 15% of the cost?
 
 
Persephone
15:50 / 11.07.03
Sure, send 'em. You have my email, right?
 
 
Tamayyurt
03:45 / 12.07.03
Ok, I've gotten an artist willing to do my script for $150 dollars. Only he's asking me technical questions like what page size and stuff like that. Can anyone here help me out with that?
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
20:04 / 14.07.03
What size will the published comic be? Your artist doesn't have to work to these exact dimensions, just as long as he keeps to the same width/height ratio so his artwork can be reduced/enlarged/whatever to fit them (this in itself might prove troublesome if he prefers to work in miles/light years rather than cms/inches).

Great scripts, by the way, particularly 'Souless Mate' (the lack of artists on this project is an ongoing source of irk, isn't it?). Looking forward to reading Grant's, too, not to mention the gaffer's tantalizing 24-hour effort...
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:09 / 14.07.03
Thanks for the info and thanks about the scripts. I'm now talking to artists about getting these drawn. Also if anyone has info on printers where I can get these printed for a few hundred dollars that would be great. Boy in Suitcase? Mr. Tricks? You guys around?
 
 
Sax
13:26 / 15.07.03
Imp, just read Soulless Mate. Loved it. Is David the guy from My Bloody Valentine? How nice of you to name him after me. And I've a cat called Shiva as well.
 
 
Tamayyurt
13:43 / 15.07.03
Yeah, Sax, he's the guy from BV and I thought it would be cool to name him after you since you created him and left him nameless. The Shiva thing is all coincidence, though
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:34 / 15.07.03
Printer:
You're gonna have to cast a WIDE net for inexpensive printers...

Most will be found in the mid-west area as eco-laws are much less prohibitive. you'll usually have to do a minimum print run of 500 copies or such. Do an internet search, most printers will hook you up with a sales rep that should be very helpful. You'll probably want to ask for "leftover paper" magazine publishers & the like order paper by the truck-load. after a given print run whatever's left on the roll is usually set asside as many of the larger printers will supply a fresh load of paper with the next print order.

this extra paper is sometime called "overage" and printers may often sell that paper on small print runs inexpensively. they'll usually figure out what size print-run can be run on a give left-over roll and sell the roll in accordance to that sized print job. If you explain to a sales rep what your looking for in this situation you could potentially get some really good paper for much less then usual.

Another factor in this of course is "size." Comics where printed at their current size (more or less) because they where generally printed from paper overage. Along this same kind of logic a Diegest sized comic would reduce your paper costs as well. To offset the size you'd want to consider upping the page count.

Anyway, printer genrally print pages in units of 16 pages (these are sometimes called "signatures") so you'll start of at 32 (16x2) and go up to 48, 64, 80, 96, 112 etc... some page counts will be cheaper than others depending...

Chances are you'll be looking at B/W interior with a 4 color cover. You'll also want to educate yourself on their pre-press process. If you send them a pile of 11x17" pages you'll end up footing the bill for converting them to films or having them Drum scanned which can be pricey. f you supplied artwork at a size of 8.5x11" you can probably have 'em scanned as a much less expensive rate (a kinkos or local image setting shop) and then submit the artwork in a digitial format. Again alot of this will be based on your printer's tech level and for that you're gonna have to make many inquiries. The company I work for uses Democrat Printing, they may not do small print runs though...

So, after you've determed what sort of print-run plus specs you can afford then you can start farming out how you'll hope to distrubute & solicit it...
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:35 / 15.07.03
Oh man, that was super helpful! Thanks.
 
 
Tamayyurt
04:47 / 16.07.03
Stupid question time: What is full bleed and is my comic going to be in it?
 
 
Sax
06:15 / 16.07.03
Full bleed is, I think, when the printing runs to the very edge of the paper rather than having a white border around it.
 
 
sleazenation
11:12 / 16.07.03
sax is correct on what full bleed is - will your comic have it? depends Full bleed is expensive - unless you design it realy carefully a cover especially a color cover will look weired if it isn't full bleed. traditional panal layouts don't require full bleed printing and many if not most comics look better without it...
 
 
sleazenation
14:52 / 16.07.03
oh and just a word of warning IMP is also the name of a fairly big publisher (it stands for international masters publishing) - I know its not very likely that one of their lawyers will be reading Jenny Everywhere (shame on them) but it may be woth baring in mind that possiblely a name change could be advantageous.
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:33 / 16.07.03
Full bleed, usually means you have to use more paper enough to allow for any images to print at least .25" beyond the trim size. After printed the sheets will have to then be trimmed.

Having a full bled ona cover is quite common & chances are you're going to be using a different paper stock on a completly different print run for the 4 color process. Old school "traditional" comics didn't use a bleed for the reasons I mentioned when I was talking about paper usage.

Chances are printing with out a bleed will cost you less in terms of paper as well as actual printing.
 
 
Persephone
23:29 / 16.07.03
Hey, grant's scripts are up. Check here.
 
 
moriarty
04:26 / 17.07.03
The gaffer?

Another warning. There is a near-yearly comic literary publication called the Imp from out of Chicago, which has had issues on Clowes, Chick, Ware, and others. Might be a bit of confusion, there.
 
 
Tamayyurt
05:03 / 17.07.03
Thanks, I'll check that out make sure everything's cool.
 
 
sleazenation
11:25 / 17.07.03
Where are all the artists when you need them! I wanna see artwork for the massive pareamecium bacteria eatting Jenny and jenny the mushroom!
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
17:21 / 17.07.03
Don't you have gaffers in Canada? Oh, they're just wonderful. I'd better explain, because it probably sounds like an insult if you don't know what I'm talking about (ie: "you're such a fucking gaffer, you know that?"). Imagine for a moment that we're all working on a building site. The Gaffer is the guy who'd be telling Lentil where he needs to lay those planks he's been wandering around with, making sure Persephone mixes the cement properly, castigating Flyboy for his drunken trowelling, and so on. Shit comparison, really. Whatever, I want to see your comic. Gaffer.
 
 
moriarty
18:42 / 17.07.03
You can call me anything you like, just so long as you call.

Isn't a gaffer also the guy who tapes down stray wires and extension cords on a movie set?
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
21:45 / 17.07.03
With his gaffer tape. Yes. Comic, please.

A quick point re: bleed - aside from the financial advantage, lots of interesting design possibilities come to the fore when you're designing a cover without the (apparent) luxury of being able to print to the edge of the page. It's worth bearing in mind.
 
 
sleazenation
14:35 / 18.07.03
Nelson - heh- I had not even noticed that the colour cover for your and Flyboy's comic wasn't fullbleed until you mentioned that - which further underlines it excellence as a piece of skilled design.
 
 
Nelson Evergreen
16:28 / 18.07.03
Cheers, sleaze. If full bleed had been an option then I'd have gone ahead and used it, but I'm kind of glad it wasn't. I think it looks more distinctive for it.
 
 
lentil
18:52 / 18.07.03
Is that the image used as a T-shirt design on QG or a new piece? Either way I can't wait to get my hands on one of these babies!
Have they hit the streets yet?
 
 
Mr Tricks
15:38 / 21.07.03
NELSON,

where can we see an image of that comic cover?
 
 
grant
16:13 / 21.07.03
Sleaze & Persephone warm my heart.

Isn't a gaffer also the guy who tapes down stray wires and extension cords on a movie set?

Actually, more along the line with the construction analogy, the gaffer is the guy who tells the best boy to tell the grips where to tape things down. He's in charge of all the electrical stuff.
 
  

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