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ONLY NICE THINGS
15:58 / 30.11.06
More importantly, who should play Dream in the film of the Sandman?
 
 
Benny the Ball
16:00 / 30.11.06
I'm increasingly becoming more willing to give the benefit of the doubt about directors - more willing to accept that often they are called upon to do a job for a studio, HBO have done some good stuff up until now, so maybe they\ll let the director have a bit more expression. That said, if it's terrible then I'd be more inclined to say it was because of him now rather than say Sonys or (who did daredevil?) whoevers interference.
 
 
This Sunday
16:23 / 30.11.06
Y'know, the 'Daredevil' film had some potential, as far as the script went. The legal-battle that was to accompany the asskick leatherboy angst, the intentional 'Jubei Ninpuchu' references/ambience, and a lack of certain aspects of the soundtrack could have been sculpted into something easily more watchable than what we got. Instead: less violence, less courtroom, less painkiller-popping... and, y'know, the Irishing-up and bass-heavy musics for two of the main characters, which was just kinda insulting. The Kingpin need no gangsta beats, black or white or even a transsexual Skrull played by Stephen Dorf.

(This should go in a 'Daredevil' thread, yes? Sorry.)

Anyhow, you will never get the intensity from the television or film experience that you got in the comic. Ain't gonna happen, because it can't happen. There are some downright mean parts to 'Preacher' which really kicked ass, and ninety-seven percent of the time, if it's for television or film, the adaptation tendency is to lighten the mood. It's easier, with a considerably smaller audience like the comics had/have to just say fuck it and fly in with righthand holding a shotgun, whiskey in the left, and the Starr Pez-dispenser in the other. The broader audience and higher budget... it's not the violence and nudity that matter in 'Preacher' so much as the intensity, the ability to have horribly funny violence (just about everything) and horrible violence (the horses in that anti-French flashback special, or the little kid at the porn-shoot); being absurd and being vicious in turns.

Oh, and cowboy posing. In all its forms and glory and fuck-ups.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
16:35 / 30.11.06
HBO already had Preacher.

It was called Carnivale and they canceled it.
 
 
matthew.
16:35 / 30.11.06
Just to see somebody cool in white jeans on the screen.
*swoons*
 
 
X-Himy
17:24 / 30.11.06
Naomi Watts for Tulip? The bigger question is, who would be Herr Starr?
 
 
Spaniel
18:04 / 30.11.06
Well, count me amongst the wait and see camp. HBO have made, and continue to make, some absolutely fantastic television, so a good show isn't impossible, or indeed entirely improbable. Also, not being precious about the source material helps with my upbeatness. I reread a chunk of Preacher recently, and, while I recognise that it is original and imaginative and by turns very enjoyable, it ain't genius.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
18:21 / 30.11.06
Agreed, 'tis mighty flawed and if HBO were to kick some of the, well, Preacher-ness out of it, that might not be a bad thing.

Imagine, a comic book adaptation better than the comic book it was based on. Them's strange times.
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
19:45 / 30.11.06
HBO already had Preacher.

It was called Carnivale and they canceled it.


But I enjoyed Preacher all the way to the end. It didn't turn to complete shit after the first trade.

Odd...
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
20:00 / 02.12.06
As ambivilent as I am to Johnson, There was an interview with him that gave me a glimmer of hope. I don't remember where I originally found it linked, but the full interview is here.

This is the part that intrigued me...

Q: Did the research you did for this kind of prep you for Preacher?

MSJ: Preacher I have always wanted to do. Preacher is like, you know, it's the greatest but it's so difficult. And I love it more than anybody and I remember reading a script a while ago it was gonna go to film and I was like, oh, how do you make a two hour movie from Preacher? You can't do it. So, when I went into HBO I said very simply, here's the comic, there's seventy-five issues plus the four issue Saint of Killers, every issue in an hour. It's a six year show. And HBO, God bless them, went, cool!

Q: So are you staying pretty loyal to the whole storyline?

MSJ: No, not loyal, exact. So it's like, we had our first meeting the other day, I kept waiting for them to go, we're not doing this! (laughing) It's like, I want Odin Quincannon having sex with a meat person. (laughing) If I can do that, I've made my mark on the world. Everything is just like so out there, this is it. They're like, fuckin' HBO's got balls, they were like, yeah bring it! Do it!


I think I'd be more worried about it getting cancelled before six years than anything, really.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
13:32 / 03.12.06
The real problem would be if there bares any relationship to the comic at any point. If it actually tries to be a faithful translation of that dried-up pile of machismo crap then it'll be a disaster. If it throws the comics out of the window, replaces the Preacher with a talking pony, and Herr Starr with another talking pony, and change the story to being two talking ponies trying to live and love in New York without anyone realising they are talking ponies, then this story will be a lot more interesting.
 
 
Quantum
14:07 / 04.12.06
Who should play Tulip?



who should play Dream in the film of the Sandman?



Look at those angst-ridden eyes, he's a natural for Morpheus.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:33 / 04.12.06
Surely you need this one somewhere in Preacher, though?

 
 
ginger
23:11 / 04.12.06
directorial hyperbole aside, assuming they're not planning to take it quite as far as a six-year run, is it really sustainable to stick something like this on as anything other than a fairly short-term project? i mean, the already massively predictable shock ending's been in the public domain for a veeery long time. nice idea, but if twin peaks got it in the arse, there's no way this'll avoid the attention of the reaper for long.

unless the ponies're made of rubber, brightly coloured, and have really odd gang tattoos on their big ends. in which case, it'll run and run.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
00:31 / 05.12.06
It'd be cool if Stephen J Cannell did it. I think the whole Renegade feel to it could be higher in the mix.
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
08:43 / 05.12.06
Agreed. I personally am panting (PANTING) to see Jesse in a leathern weskit with naught beneath it.

Maybe that Lost Boys/Tina Turner Sax guy could play Cassidy?

"Beggorah, I gotta eat. But first...I gotta PLAY!!!"
 
 
matthew.
11:57 / 05.12.06


I don't think so. Cassiday is neither muscley or oily enough.
 
 
spectre
18:39 / 05.12.06
Naomi Watts for Tulip? The bigger question is, who would be Herr Starr?

While reading, I always pictured Kevin Spacey as Starr.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
04:11 / 06.12.06
Jesse: Colin Farrel
Tulip: Jenifer Love Hewitt
Cassady: Steve Buscemi
Starr: Paul Reubens
Director: John Waters

Better yet, maybe the cast of the Daily Show!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
04:11 / 06.12.06
Or Quentin Tarantino, I suppose
 
 
gridley
12:44 / 06.12.06
I nominate Bud Cort as Starr.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:04 / 06.12.06
"It's going to be exactly the comic book. We had our first meeting with Garth Ennis on the phone and Garth Ennis was the one saying, "You don't have to be so beholden to the comic"... But I made it very clear to him and to HBO that this is a series based on one of the greatest comic series of all time. Therefore you don't want to stray from it, you want to make it exact..."

"Jesse really is the most moral guy in the world. He just wanted what was right. You treat women right, you stand by your friends, you don't take shit from anybody..."


Uh-oh.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:33 / 06.12.06
Eep.

Does that mean they will put out a casting call for a stereotypical older Jewish man to have sex with lunch meat and be stomped on by a guy in a SS uniform?
 
 
Spaniel
19:52 / 06.12.06
Well that certainly suggests they're planning on sticking closely to the source material.

I think someone should start a thread in TV and Film as this thread has veered entirely into that territory.
 
 
Quantum
19:53 / 06.12.06
Who will play arseface? Will they really keep the sex detectives in? The last descendant of Jesus throwing faeces around? 'kinhell.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
19:59 / 06.12.06
I think someone should start a thread in TV and Film as this thread has veered entirely into that territory.

Done
 
 
Alex's Grandma
20:25 / 06.12.06
'You treat women right, you stand by your friends, you don't take shit from anybody ...

You hallucinate John Wayne, you randomly put people in hospital because they don't share your taste in telly, you go on and on about the Pogues, you mock the disabled, the sick, the blind and the homosexual, until it turns out your best buddy in the world who's been been routinely slaughtering people for ages has a) broken a ladies jaw and b) had a man's old chap in his mouth, at which point your moral code means you have to do your best to kill them ...'

No wonder GE's a bit ambivalent at this point.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
20:44 / 06.12.06
But I made it very clear to him and to HBO that this is a series based on one of the greatest comic series of all time.

Artbabe?
 
 
Mug Chum
12:49 / 07.12.06
>>>>>Does that mean they will put out a casting call for a stereotypical older Jewish man to have sex with lunch meat and be stomped on by a guy in a SS uniform?

Shit, you just made sense of what I'd always thought of as an failed attempt to a humorously bizarre surreal scene.

And Alex's recent post just made sense out of an entire series that hooked me with postTarantino-esque roadtrip intensity, a few good issues and some too-beautiful covers that painted a delusional paint throughout the entire run for me (that TPB cover for "War in the Sun" is a fine example of what Preacher was in my mind, and of what I had dream of seeing on HBO while I was growing up and reading them: down-on-the-ground little intensely bizarre stories with fun(ny)-to-watch characters, that suddenly you look back on it and realize for the 1st time it became a huge epic trail).

And Jessie should be played by a young and brunette Matthew Mcconaughey. Nothing to dwell on it much. Doesn't really should know how to act all that much. Just shouldn't be Scott Summers. Just a Good Ol' Boy (some meat-stick hunk) with the accent and lean relaxed unshaved smile to put on the poster with the tagline "All Those With Assholes -- Shalt Fear!".

Nowadays I don't really care anymore... I don't really like Preacher the way I did (a lot) when I found out about it. And the sour tastes of the series' second half sticks in my memory more and more every passing day -- and realized the feeling I had when, as an example, read that scene where Cass was on his knees thirsty for heroin: "what the hell does this have to do with anything?"; suddenly I was supposed to understand and relate to Jessie hating Cass because he beat up girls, was addicted to horse and sucked cocks "(!!!)"... I used to love the feeling at the back of my head of reading about people who I don't relate to all that much or even like (just like to watch where they get themselves into and how they react) who walks around with a guy who kills somebody every other day to feed himself -- it was about "not good or bad characters" that didn't dwell on "how they weren't good, precious and angelical" all the time in the shade in a million voice-over captions. It just didn't care, it just had fun with it's fucked up scenarios. It was an anarchic postTarantino fuck-all adventure angle on many other angles, genres, situations with a flavor of the fun parts from "From Dusk Till Dawn". And suddenly I had to hate a guy as if I was watching a (unconsciously depraved) morality urban cowboy soap-opera written by an Irish fella.

I can't remember at which point in the second half of the series I realized that the past issues' million lettered balloons from Jessie's moralities lectures (remember those? Where Jessie or some other later-realized-'good' character had a big panel of his big serious face and a huge fucking dialogue-balloon) were actually supposed to go accompanied by the reader's "Fuck Yeah!"... And very later in the game (I think it was the Arseface special) I realized that Ennis had supposed that Nirvana fans were actually supposed to bother me (along with the other million "types of/ stupid people" Ennis had geekly fantasied beat up, fuck up or comment on all issues). And that the page where, out of the blue, Custer goes bonkers on the French in that bar wasn't supposed to be a funny scene in the way I had seen it. And that etc etc etc...

I still have a few good memories though. And a few issues I like to look back when I have enough mental-power (it takes a lot) to block the things that spoiled it to me.

(and Tulip's (inconsistent sized) boobs were always a nice treat -- Tulip and Jessie had a cool sexual beat to them at first)
 
 
Spaniel
13:12 / 07.12.06
Yes, I love boobs.
 
 
matthew.
14:03 / 07.12.06
*opens door, pops head in*

Boobs?
 
 
Mug Chum
15:14 / 07.12.06
Oh c'maan! You guys are saying that those random post-sex conversation scenes where a naked Tulip would suddenly spawn AnnaNicoleSmith-sized boobs out of nowhere (and cover everything with a blanket but them) weren't enticing for your fifteen years old self? Liars-liars, your pants were on fire!

And on another note, being this the first time I got to talk about Preacher with people other than my brother (he introduced me the series), is it common sense that Dillon's art wasn't that likable except when they're sitting on a table talking or something? There is something awkward in his (mid-movement) poses, anatomy and faces (specially women's) that bothered me even when I liked the comic (I remember liking them at the time -- not having read a comic since I was 12 -- because it was sort of "realistic-cinematographic", wasn't like Marvel's splashes and muscles etc. Pretty much same reason why at the time I liked Watchmen and V's arts).

ps: did anyone else ever thought Cassidy looked exactly like that neighbor from "King of the Hill", the gun nut with shades and baseball cap?
 
 
This Sunday
15:34 / 07.12.06
This post will consist of randomized dramatic thoughts and may not work as a whole. Like 'Preacher'.

While Dillon tends to show a range of four faces, total, he draws those faces and their iterations and emotions really fucking well.

Nobody's supposed to totally agree with Jesse all the time. Even he realizes when he's fucked up or being a dick.

It's a cowboy story. The end. No more, no less. It's a western, it's boiled down through an odd stew of Irishness, but it's a western. Beginning, middle, and shoot-em-up end.

Jesse's dad gets a baby a little drunk, kills people for a living, then comes back from the dead wearing John Wayne's skin, to talk with his son who's underwater in a coffin, lying in his own filth, with an inbred corpse on top of it.

Jody and TC are action heroes lamentably portrayed as villains because we're following the always-right and sympathetic shitkicker preacherman of holy righteousness, despite the fact they never do anything morally reprehensible and brought up the boy right, teaching him what to do with a gun, a fish, or a friend... et cetera, et cetera.

I still don't see much in-text where you can place Cassidy's cocksucking as form of homophobic commentary. The man needed a fix, and he got one, through the means presented him. The addiction, re-addiction, and addictive nature to which the man let himself continually fall was offensive to Jesse... so Jesse went off to beat seven shades out of him and call him an animal.

Jesse Custer likes sitting in judgment on folks. Because, otherwise, he'd have to work at improving himself.

Tulip should've run off with her girlfriend for the last eight or ten issues of the series, leaving the rest of the characters, their traumas and dramas, and the entire genre-cage to a long-gone past. This could include boobs and dick-jokes as necessary, and maybe a sulky Custer finding redemption in the arms of his junkie vampire buddy on some rainslicked curb outside a bar in San Francisco.

While the series had varying degrees of intensity and success, I did like, and can reread, the whole entire thing without it seeming to lag or get lost anywhere. And the end was just fine. Just fine, indeed.

Oh, and Glen Fabry did alright on all but, what, three covers? He screwed up on Starr, once, and also on Jesse getting ready to throw down with some horrible little chickens in the background, but he also put out some marvelously excellent covers, like the kneeling in the field cover, the big coat and hat-wearing deathdealer at sunrise/set cover, and um, Arseworld.
 
 
Mug Chum
16:45 / 07.12.06
Wait, aren't Jody and TC the guys who cut a little boy's throat after rapping an animal (and used his body to terrorize another boy), tortured Jessie as a child, killed a man in front of his son and wife (after kidnapping the three), killed a woman (Jessie's mom. So far as they know, they killed her), killed Tulip in front of her boyfriend after kidnapping them etc etc etc...?

And yeah, Glenn Fabry's cover were quite nice.
 
 
This Sunday
17:25 / 07.12.06
Them boys got up to some trouble, it's true, but it was always with the best, sincerest and sweetest intentions.

They're the moral center, you understand, the most moralest moralizing men in the world. Jesse, too.

Nobody's gonna make this argument with Spider Jerusalem or the Fabo Furry Freak Bros. if/when those get adapted to a screen of some kind... or will they? (Bum bum bum fade out)
 
  

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