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League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

 
 
Mystery Gypt
00:11 / 09.07.03
not going to put any spoilers here... yet... but i had a chance to see the movie and there's a preview tomorrow, so as the man says, "the game is on."

the shit is fun, totally, wicked fun. everything in it looks great, especially the design -- the nautilus, the tanks, the machine guns -- everything has a georgeous retro-futuristic (or is it futuristic-retro) sheen.

as it turns out, it was a very wise move for mina to be a vampire, cuz she's much more fun that way. and dorian grey is hot.

i keep thinking to myself, if indian jones came out right now, how would i react? was it actually as good as it felt when i was 7? League is the same sort of movie, a world traveling adventure with ugly villians and rough-n-tumble heroes on a quest for the great mcguffin. and the good guys are monsters.

there are potentially interesting aspects that have to do with empire and war and technology and the falsification of conflict for the sake of personal economic growth -- all relevant and nicely done, in a sort of small way. i'll wait 'til more folks have seen it to start in on those rants.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
01:13 / 09.07.03
gasp! How dare you!?!
 
 
CameronStewart
04:02 / 09.07.03
>>>i keep thinking to myself, if indian jones came out right now, how would i react? was it actually as good as it felt when i was 7?<<<

Having seen Raiders again not so long ago, I can answer, "goddamn right it is."

Anyway, glad to know you enjoyed it, although I still suspect you have some kind of relationship to Don Murphy for pushing it so hard.

Someone I know has also seen it and his reaction was, sadly, completely the opposite to yours - he said it was terrible, really terrible.

I'm hoping you're right...
 
 
sleazenation
08:54 / 09.07.03
the release date for this has been pushed back in the UK... possibly bewcause the film studio think they have a stinker on their hands or a possible clash between hyde and hulk....
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:02 / 09.07.03
But it's the Summer Of Stinkers. I hear only moderate things about Hulk, at best. To my amazement, the good buzz is for T3.

Really want LOEG to be good, though.

And Cameron is, as ever, completely right about Raiders. That one's a masterpiece.
 
 
sleazenation
10:10 / 09.07.03
nothing beats the pull back shot of the ark in its anonymous little box in a wearhouse of other anonymous boxes... I one contains the ark of the covenant what is in the rest?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
11:24 / 09.07.03
Unashamedly pinched by X-Files...

Yeah, that was great.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
11:26 / 09.07.03
gasp! How dare you!?!

(Nick, T3 is pretty good.)
 
 
Saint Keggers
16:39 / 09.07.03
Dammit! Now Im really hoping for Indy4.

T3 was good. Had the same feel to it as T1...nowhere near the visual prettyness of T2.
 
 
Saint Keggers
23:57 / 09.07.03
I just saw a commercial for it which started off "Sean Connery and ...." and then goes on to list other the characters. I just love the fact that according to this commercial its Sean Connery not Alan Quatermain who's fighting in the film. It reminds me of that Star Trek TNG ep where LAforge tells the holodeck to make a character capable of defeating Data instead of telling it to make one to defeat the character Date was playing,Sherlock Holmes. So now we have Sean Connery fighting crimminals. WHich I think is a great idea. "Well, would you get a look at those baddies ...Bloody hell Miss Money Penny! Im Sean fucking Connery! Im too damn old for this."
 
 
CameronStewart
06:32 / 10.07.03
Two more reports from friends of mine - reliable sources both, as far as I'm concerned - who saw a preview screening and say that it's colosally awful.

So far it's scoring a dismal 30% on rottentomatoes.com, where I found this doozy of a review:

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Zero out of Four Stars


Though I'm a fan of Alan Moore, it's pointless to address the myriad departures made by the cinematic adaptation of his graphic novel The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen--doing so would not only take too much time, but also miss the point entirely. Stephen Norrington's The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen isn't appallingly bad only because it departs completely from its source material, but rather it's appallingly bad because it is a work of extreme cynicism and incompetence on every appreciable level. Five minutes into the film, a steam-powered tank has already stormed its way into a London bank (demonstrating a technical superiority for the bad guys that instantly invalidates the main conflict of the film) and a German zeppelin factory has gone the way of the Hindenberg, both scenes marked carefully by unhelpful title cards (London 1899, Germany 1899) that become something of an unintentional running joke--the only vaguely amusing thing to follow in what amounts to one of the most painful experiences to be had this summer short of dental surgery, an Andrew Lloyd Weber revival-in-the-round, or getting stabbed in the eye with a knitting needle.

(snip)

Because Norrington and hack extraordinaire, screenwriter James Robinson, think their audience is composed entirely of screaming idiots (trenchant warning for those literary-minded readers of the graphic novel), the dialogue is almost completely composed of flaccid attempts at establishing some sort of narrative and providing footnotes along the lines of "I'm Mina Harker--my husband Jonathan Harker and I, and a professor named Van Helsing, hunted a great evil. A great evil named Dracula. He was from Transylvania." Worse, when the crew find themselves in a nighttime Venice (everything occurs at night in this film in a transparent attempt to camouflage the godawful CGI background mattes) and a character calls out, "Hurry up, we need to find the bomb," the only response is first the very reasonable, "What bomb," followed by the sad realization that they're going to have a hard time finding this bomb because they're all starring in it.

The central conceit of the picture, that these disparate misfits should band together to stop something called a "World War," is given a glancing look in deference to the strait-jacket constraint of the superspy/evil genius formula, all of it lent an air of the ironic when much of the purely hypothetical audience for this movie not only knows that there have been two World Wars since 1899, but something like a hundred James Bond movies. The action is spastic and impossible to follow and so Norrington, logically, twice stages three separate incomprehensible fights simultaneously (in the proud George Lucas tradition) so as to induce nausea and intense irritation. Whenever Mina becomes a vampire (forgiving first that she is overtly a vampire and next that she is ever anything besides a vampire), her transformation is inexplicably accompanied by a massive colony of bats; Dorian Gray is both immortal and invulnerable; though Captain Nemo dubs his invention of a roadster "an automobile," everyone promptly calls it a "car;" and Mr. Hyde looks just like a small Welsh actor in a blow-up rubber suit. The special effects are all dreadful--a fact exacerbated by their unforgivable lack of continuity: to wit, after Gray gets riddled with bullets and regenerates, his shirt, oddly enough, regenerates, too, while the problems with the Invisible Man animation are numberless and exhausting.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen isn't good by any possible measure of quality. It's a snarky, self-knowing, self-hating film that instantly alienates reasonably intelligent people by being condescending (and apparently written by that sign-language chimp) before proceeding to alienate breathtakingly thick people by having the temerity to feature characters from non-Oprah-approved books. It is so terrible that it deserves mention with such classics of "I Want My Money Back Theater" as Wild Wild West and that other Connery standard, The Avengers--cementing my long-held belief that Connery is just the Scottish Burt Reynolds with, until the last twenty years or so, a slightly better agent. The picture is punitive, garish, and loutish, a flyblown corpse of an idea pocked by its constant explosions and battered by its dialogue and imperceptible performances. I've seen worse films than The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, of course, worse this year, even, but the bottom is ultimately just the bottom, and when you get this close to the absolute nadir of cinema, subtle measures of relative merit just don't mean much anymore

.-Walter Chaw
 
 
grant
01:30 / 11.07.03
I read the whole Chaw review. It's delightful.

I sent it to a friend, who sent back a review from Ain't It Cool News that included this:
First off, the day before I saw LEAGUE, I got the following letter from comic co-creator Kevin O'Neill:

"I have seen LEAGUE and it is SPECTACULAR!!!!

Hi Harry, Kevin O'Neill here. I am the co creator of the LEAGUE comic book.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is an alternate reality treatment of our source material. Alan and I got to play with many fictional icons and now the filmmakers get to play with them in their version - and what a wild and spectacular time they have!!!! Great makeup and special effects (Hyde looks just like I draw him!), lush production design and a wonderful cast.

Tony Curran runs close to the creepiness of Hawley Griffin and Peta Wilson is smart and beautiful as Mina Harker and deserves a lot more screen time.

Sure I'd like to have seen our Nautilus on screen and Mina leading the group...but Sean Connery (our original model for Quatermain, by the way) is an icon playing and icon. Given the odds of anything coming close to the source in movies, our title has been treated with rare good taste.

Fans of the comic with open minds will really enjoy the film!"

That letter gave me quite a bit of hope. And when I went to see the film I was comforted by the fact that one of the comic's original creators seemed to enjoy the hell out of the film and have only minor regrets. That's a good start.


He then goes on to say how when the movie works, it works fine, but when it fails, it fails horribly.

I love the idea of this metaphor actually coming off AICN:

I essentially refer to this film as DRIPPINGS.

Drippings are the sauce, fluids left after you cook a steak, a roast, prime rib, a turkey... It's the liquefied fats and greases flavored by the meat and spices that you've rubbed and beaten into the main course. They are the tasty, albeit ultimately non-filling remains of a meaty morsel. That is THE LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN. It's a great base for a nice sausage gravy... meaning you can watch this and taste the essence of what might have been, but ultimately... the meat is gone. The action is clumsy, the villains lame and there are laughably bad scenes throughout. HOWEVER, there's beautiful designs, pretty cool heroes and great moments. The total experience though for me was a pretty huge disappointment.
 
 
CameronStewart
03:49 / 11.07.03
I was reading around and on both the AICN and IMDB message boards, LXG (too many acronyms!) producer Don Murphy himself takes part in the conversation...

....and comes across as one of the most staggeringly unprofessional and abrasive personalities I've seen. Defensive and abusive, Mr. Murphy venomously attacks and belittles all who dare critique the film while displaying a startling unfamiliarity with the comic he purchased for adaptation. When a few of the others on the IMDB board say they're going to write letters of complaint to the film studio about Murphy's insulting behaviour he panics and retroactively deletes all his posts (but most of his comments are still included as quotes within the other posts in the thread). The best bit occurs when Murphy, justifying the entirely altered plot of the film, says that if anyone knew anything about making blockbusters they'd know that the plot of the comic wasn't going to work, to which there is the reply, "What do YOU know about blockbusters? You've never produced one."

Heh heh.

It opens tomorrow, and out of a perverse desire to see exactly HOW bad it can get (From Hell made my blood boil, so I expect the same reaction to this), I shall be catching a matinee.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:52 / 11.07.03
gasp! How dare you!?!
 
 
CameronStewart
13:56 / 11.07.03
The 30% score on rottentomatoes.com has plummeted to an abysmal 20%.

I'd like to know what cinema Mystery Gypt went to, so I can watch the "wicked fun" version, instead of the "fucking awful" version that seems to have been sent to every other cinema...

I dunno why, but I'm actually gleeful that this film seems to be such a disaster. The From Hell fiasco made me angry and depressed but I'm actually *glad* that they cocked this one up and everyone hates it. Maybe it's because I've developed a huge distaste for Don Murphy and don't want to see him rewarded...
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
14:06 / 11.07.03
The best bit occurs when Murphy, justifying the entirely altered plot of the film, says that if anyone knew anything about making blockbusters they'd know that the plot of the comic wasn't going to work

Well, if he always knew the original plot would never translate into a movie blockbuster, why did he pick the comic book at all, and paid copyright money to Moore/O'Neill, and then went on to say that the number of comic book readers were the least important part of the revenue?

If Don's using the name of the League and Moore to promote this movie, i'd expect he would care about the comic book fans, because those would be the first to want to watch the movie - but if they're so insignificant why didn't he originally created a new story with different characters and called it his own? Then he wouldn't have to pay copyrights to anyone... after all, if the original plot of the comic was no good, why did he even bother making the comic a movie?

Couldn't he get a screenwriter to use the same premise - it's not like Moore invented the '19th century fictional characters team up to fight evil' genre - and leave The League's name out of it?
 
 
CameronStewart
14:19 / 11.07.03
Reading all the reviews, I'm glad to see that a good many of them praise the comic, and blame the filmmakers for such a terrible adaptation. Hopefully those who've never heard of it before won't assume that a shitty movie must come from shitty source material.
 
 
FinderWolf
21:34 / 15.07.03
Reading about all the Don Murphy on AICN talkback stuff, and then going and reading all the talkbacks, made my night. Some of the funniest shit I've seen in a while. Don Murphy really made an ass out of himself. Brilliant! This is one of the many reasons I love life, and Aint It Cool News, movie fans, and the sheer blessed geekdom of it all!
 
 
Saint Keggers
01:29 / 16.07.03
I just got back from seeing it...its not the worst film..its not anywhere near the best. Choppy, inconsistant acting (or perhaps it was due to the editing or directing)...and I kept expecting Cpt. Nemos beard to be attached with rubberbands. Sean-Im too good to do ancent-COnnery was just too propper. I liked Hyde though...its nowhere near rubbersuit.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
02:34 / 16.07.03
gasp!
 
 
Saint Keggers
02:46 / 16.07.03
The last person I saw gasp that much had just been pulled from the water!
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
03:32 / 16.07.03
I am genuinely shocked and horrified by you people!

Okay, not really. I just thought it was funny. I'll stop.
 
 
Saint Keggers
03:51 / 16.07.03
Why Qalyn? Why? (to be read in a Cindy-loo Who voice as in "Why Santie Claus? Why? Why are you taking our Christmas tree?")
 
 
Catjerome
04:02 / 16.07.03
Saw it this evening with friends ... not too bad as a brainless summer action film, but the writing and plot were irritating and silly, and I kept mentally backing out of scenes to nitpick internally ("But why would Tom Sawyer know how to drive a ''car''?"). As a standalone film, lackluster. As an adaptation of a fantastic original story, disappointing and frustrating.

Did anyone else spot a massive stone head that looked like Hyde's from the comic in the Outer Mongolia Villain's Lair scene? Or am I halluciminating again?

I also liked the visuals on Hyde. Good stuff.
 
 
Saint Keggers
04:39 / 16.07.03
For my 'after some thought' spopiler filled review go here:

http://kegboy.diaryland.com/030716_23.html
 
 
cusm
19:35 / 16.07.03
To all the eloquent and extensively bashing reviews, I say this:

Bah!

This is pulp. Beautiful, delicious, exessive, wonderfuly gratuitious pulp. Not 10 minutes into the film and there are exploding zepplins. To me, this only says good things about the action to come. It also constantly drops references to other stories they didn't get to work in otherwise, which is a fun all its own. Its only a pity that the typical audience isn't well read enough to know who everyone is off the bat, so character exposition is necessary at all.

But mainly, its just beautiful 1890s style. Everything is ornate, there's a big factory belching black smoke and fire with giant gears, pounding hammers and pouring steel while metal men march around, and the Nautalis is so devistatingly cool I nearly crapped myself. Really, this movie was all about Nemo for me, I'll have to admidt, though Dorien Grey was quite tasty as well.

And if you're not watching it for all that, what the hell are you going for anyway?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
20:18 / 16.07.03
gasp! How dare you?!?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
22:46 / 16.07.03
the Nautalis is so devistatingly cool I nearly crapped myself
Wait - is that better or worse than puking all over your balls?
 
 
Saint Keggers
02:24 / 17.07.03
"the Nautalis is so devistatingly cool I nearly crapped myself"
I expected to see Winslet and DiCaprio on the deck.
 
 
Dave Philpott
02:48 / 17.07.03
I went into it expecting it to be an action movie that looked nothing like the comic. I expected to suspend disbelief and try to enjoy a pop movie the way I sometimes eat a cheap-ass pizza instead of a proper meal. I knew it wouldn't be Moore and O'Neill's version. So, I held my breath and watched. It wasn't great, but it wasn't Tomb Raider, either.

And my expectations were met.
 
 
Hieronymus
05:20 / 20.07.03
Reluctantly saw this with a friend who notoriously has the worst taste in movies....

And yet......and yet I honestly thought it wasn't half bad. The setup dialogue can't decide between nauseatingly stiff and banal ("I am so-and-so. My power is such and such") and the well delivered bullseye ("What are you?" *haughtily, with a flash of sword* "I'm complicated"). Once it clumsily clears the runway, it takes off. Granted, there are plenty of hold-your-nose moments. The token tiger in the frigid cold of Mongolia is pointless and obligatory. The regenerating shirt of Dorian Grey and the disguise-happy M don't make much sense in the greater scheme of things. And the way Hyde turns from mean sonuvabitch to tender pussycat who just wants to do the right thing after all is just sad. Just sad.

But aside from the speedbumps, there's some prize moments in this thing. Quartermain simply walking away when Sawyer asks him if he taught his son-in-law to shoot this way. Dorian Gray is a sheer delight as a character. And the interplay between he and Mina Harker, while completely flipping a finger to the comic Mina Harker, has a damn good play-out between romance and vengeance. Nemo, while his beard is reeeeeeally poor looking, has all the strength of the comic version (his confrontation with Jekyll's inability to contain Hyde is a decent bit of character muscle). This Invisible Man isn't as strong a character as our rapist version but he stays true to his character a cad, a card and a sneak thief. And Nautilus does kick some serious ornate ass. Cool in its own right.

And then of course there's Connery. I'll say this much, for all the reported conflict between he and Norrington, Connery holds this thing together. He delivers what could be flaccid lines with more vigor than he really has to. Carries the film on his shoulders, from start to end. He is Moore's Quartermain maybe 20 years earlier, a Hemingway with Scottish accent and a void where his son-in-law once stood. Personally, I sincerely liked the way Connery ends up (freeing himself from the gauntlet of a sequel with a director he publicly loathes) and his line about passing on the new century to Sawyer was a decent segue into a sequel. Without him, this movie would've been complete crap.

All I can say is for the love of god, don't go into it expecting it to be as good as Moore's meatier version. Somebody else mentioned Indiana Jones and I agree only in the sense that this is a tribute to old Saturday serials. Raiders of the Lost Ark it ain't, but it is pulp and it is steampunk adventure and pretty much not much else. But what it aims for, it gets. Just check your fanboy brain at the door and try seeing it purely on its own pulpy merit.
 
 
Axel Lambert
12:33 / 04.11.03
Saw it yesterday, and just wanted to say that it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen, certainly in a theater after paying eight euros. The only good things: Connery playing Connery; a dashing Dorian Gray fencing; Nemo's line "Nautilus, the sword of the sea". Little else. Nemo was on the whole ridiculous, with ridiculous outfit, as was the design of Nautilus as some palace with really large palace staff (speaking london dialect!). Mina's bats were silly.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
13:23 / 04.11.03
I'm in the peculiar position of agreeing with most of what's said in the negative reviews and thoroughly enjoying the film but then I don't have much invested in the source material and had no expectations. I did fall asleep at the end but then I'd moved house that weekend. The dialogue was awful but then I'm begining to think that Pirates of the Carribean may be the only summer blockbuster with anything approaching decent dialogue. There was however no excuses for T3.

Dorian Grey's shirt regenerated through shear force of will and Victorian sartorial law, a gentleman would never go out in that kind of state. And what the fuck would be wrong with being the Scottish Burt Renaulds? Have you all forgotten Zardoz so quickly.

As an aside one of the friends I went to see the film with is an engineer, on the off chance that anyone comes across plans for the Nautilus could you let me know? He gets ever so excited about such things.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
08:17 / 05.11.03
Can someone tell me why Nemo is a Hindu (though one dressed in traditional Sikh garb oddly enough)?
 
 
doctorbeck
08:43 / 05.11.03
a lot of his minions were definitiely sikh too from the look of them

would have been a lot less interesting a ship with just sikh motifs (pictures of the gurus basically)instead of those ornate hindoo ones though. agree he is sikh in every other respect, the sword, the martial ways, the only strike in self defense thing and his outfit looks like the ones sikhs from a particular martial / chivalry order wear.

agree though that this was a turkey second only to matrix 2.


andrew
 
  
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