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Glastonbury and unsustainable environments... or something like that...

 
 
waxy dan
09:27 / 08.07.03
Yay! Went to my first Glastonbury. Returned broken physically. Badly sunburnt (my hair turned blonde and I woke up with my face covered in blood the next morning), badly dehydrated & very well exercised.

... anyway... Onto what I'm trying to get at. This will probably sound very waffly, but hopefully not.

They appear to succeed in creating an enclave that is separated from the rest of the world and from the constraints of life outside. For a few short days you exist in an area that is isolated and contained. Where there is no advertising, no news, no pressure, and little conformity. You can do whatever you like, and everyone will love you for it.

But it’s unsustainable, 'unreal' perhaps. They fence off this bit of countryside and throw you inside. “Have a great time. Be yourselves. Let loose. But remember, you’ve only got a few days, so live it up!”

Coming back into Paddington and then the Underground was a marginally scary experience. I found myself automatically assuming my ‘real world’ persona. Putting up masks and shields to obfuscate my ‘self’. Arriving home, I saw my reflection for the first time in days. It really didn't bother me that I hadn't, in fact I didn't even realise it. Though it did strike me as being in contrast to the city, where I pass my reflection every 10 seconds or so. While there I could be whoever I am, and feel okay with projecting that externally. That's not an environment that I've ever experienced before, at least not for more than a few hours. It's false, crazy and unsustainable, but when I arrived back into London... I'm still not quite sure which one is the greater fallacy.

A mate of mine mentioned that she has a similar experience whenever she drives down to Mexico. Her advice is that I should learn whatever I can and carry it with me back into ‘reality’, for want of a better term.

I know a pagan commune in Leitrim where they try to create a similar society but have managed to keep it running for years now. They regularly have people show up on their doorstep just asking to stop there a while. They once arrived home to find a heroin addict sleeping in their shed pleading with them to let him work on the farm and stay on the grounds for long enough to recover.

I’m not sure what my question is exactly, or if I really have one. I suppose I’m just wondering if anyone else has ever experienced anything similar, and what did you take from it?

Perhaps also a more general query, what do you think creates such an environment and do you think it can be successfully maintained?
 
 
waxy dan
09:41 / 08.07.03
... actually, should I have put that in HeadShop?
 
 
_Boboss
11:25 / 08.07.03
wow what a bey day i'm having. Hakim Bey, TAZ the Temporary autonomous zone, autonomedia press, but it's anti-copyright so you should be able to get a complete copy of it from the web. that book is what you're talking about, basically the environment SHOULDN'T be maintained, because then it ceases to be that environment

you should have gone there in the eighties, yardie knife gangs when such things were totally unknown in this country, balaclavaed ira men and hippies busy fossilising under the mud. ah when i were a lad.

there were all sorts of 'keeping out the riff raff' quotes in the paper which made it easier not to feel bad for missing it this year, but mum + dad went, she ate a dodgy fajita and nearly shit herself halfway thru radiohead, said they were great

also somerset's a fuckload prettier than london, that and the crashing levels of serotonin in yr head probably made you feel a bit worse than you otherwise might, don't take it to heart.
 
 
waxy dan
11:55 / 08.07.03
the crashing levels of serotonin in yr head probably made you feel a bit worse
Well.. yeah, but I recognise that for what it is, and can contain it as such. This was/is something seperate. More intellectual, less physical side-effect.

basically the environment SHOULDN'T be maintained, because then it ceases to be that environment
I can see what you're saying there. But I'd be interested to hear you expand on it if you don't mind?

...

On a tangent: chatting to a few grizzled vets there at the festival about the heightened security. They all said that they far prefered it. That, while they realise it was something of a comprimise, they simply felt safer. But yeah, I do wish I'd been there a couple of decades back. I suppose 'safe' is both good and bad.


don't take it to heart Ah.. I'm not bad really. Thanks though.

I'll see if I can locate that book, thanks.
 
 
gertrude
14:23 / 08.07.03
hey waxy, I too was at good old Glastonbury and sure ....it is an escape from the normal mundane run of things for a few days for a lot of people...it provides the opportunity for people to let their hair down ('scuse the hippie pun) feel part of a tribe for three days and simply live a different life. I think it's all about what you want to gain from the experience, whether you want to immerse yourself in the 'environment'. Sure some people live that kinda life all year round but for most it's a new enlivening time, and I'm not talking about just camping, partying and catching top gigs, I mean the whole ethos that people buy into, or at least is available to you if you chose to buy into it...the chilling out by the Stone Circle, meeting new friends, chatting and sharing whatever's in your head (or whatever you've scored off the crustie dealer)...it's about thinking a little bit more about where you are, the landscape around you, who you're with and how you spend your time.

Compare it to three days in London over a weekend, what an amazing 72 hours full of potential wonders compared to your usual routine?!...it's about having the opportunity at your feet and the yearning to do something with it.

Re: what creates this and can you maintain it? You create it, a whole bunch of people all wanting the same experience, relishing hanging out and letting their hair down...Whether it can be maintained...I don't think so and I don't think it should be. These moments are cherished because they're not everyday and they're not humdrum. Would it be such a special environment if it was continuous?

Anyway, I bet you loads of folk would argue that it ain't that special anyway and that the original hippie vibe has vanished, especially since the fence went up. You get bombarded with Q magazine and advertising and that the corporate inroads are unavoidable. So if you can hold on to a moment/time you think special and have a pealing sun-burned face to show for it then that's cool. That thought is sustainable, isn't it?
 
 
Old brown-eye is back
14:47 / 08.07.03
My experience of Glasto this year was the further away from the Pyramid stage you went, the more TAZ-like things became. By Thursday night the sacred whatever up in the hills had a pretty lawless (in a nice way) feel to it. A mass of people coming up/down, climbing on mini Stonehenge rocks, running around, doing whatever. In other parts of the site, I'm not sure the same was true. You could get newspapers, there were mucho bizzies and there was plenty of advertising for Orange (and thus plenty of opportunity to ring home.) As for pressure and conformity, if anyone went with any kind of pro-Globalisation or Blair feelings they kept very quiet about it, at least around me. Frankly, if it had been a bit smaller, the rain had held off and they'd kept the bands coming I think it could have been sustained for a while.

Who did you see, Dan?
 
 
waxy dan
15:48 / 08.07.03
I was there more for the company and environment than the music, so stuck to whatever my mates were aiming for... which unforunately meant that I missed some of the music I'd have liked to have heard (missed the One World and Leftfield stages entirely), but, seeing how truly ... er... what's the word... vivified I felt by the company I was keeping, I wouldn't have traded.

Saw Jon Carter (good remix of "Down to the River to Pray") and Chemical Bros. Damian Rice, Sigur Ros and Moby. Moby I know will get some sighs and shaking of heads; I think he put on a fantastic closing show, it was just fun pure and simple. And that fantastic little bandstand around the corner from Other Stage which they kept filled with folk bands. And whatever drum or didgeridoo was playing in Greenfields.

But, as said above I really wasn't there for the music.

Moments like:
Walking up through the sculpture gardens to the stone circle on the Saturday night. We plonked ourselves down with a load of garden candles, danced a bit to the 30 or so drummers and trumpeteers and watched the sun rise over the mountains. Each ray of light sparking off more cheers and celebrations from the crowd until the disc just pierced the sky... and the crowd goes wild! (at which point I accidently kicked some guy square in the head... He was lying down wearing a black robe in the shadows of the stones and I just didn't see him. On the offchance he happens to be reading this, I'm really really sorry!)

... or... wrapped up in sleeping bags and warm from the torches, stayed up watching the Rocky Horror in a big field at 3:30 on Sunday night. Dancing the time warp to anyone who emerged from the portaloos on the way back up to the tents.

And just chats and hugs with fantastic people, both familiar and strange... were the things I was looking for and, of course, found. So, yup gertrude, I hope that thought is sustainable.

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Advertising:

Actually it was the lack of advertising really struck me. No international franchise chains (well, apart from Budweiser but I don't think a micro-brewery could have handled the quanitity). Most of the food stalls were small owner-run businesses, I recognised a lot of them from Spitalfields or the Camden market, the water company getting the huge liscence deal was 'Glastonbury water'. The huge screens around the main stage didn't show any adverts between performances but instead showed short documentaries and music videos by Greenpeace and Oxfam.

The Orange tents I was perfectly happy with. I thought it was a sign of a well-executed compromise. Without their recharge facilities I don't think I would have been able to find my mates on the Sunday night. So they put up big Orange tents, they still provided an excellent and useful service.

Even the Q magazines I didn't really mind. They were free and someone always handed me one when I crawled out of my tent looking for coffee at about 8 or so each morning (irregular insomnia, my body didn't seem to mind the fact that I had only gone to sleep an hour or two previously). I was happy for the read, and to laugh at the personal ads ("Lost: One black and white cat. Partially deaf so please shout his name, answers to 'Bollocks'"). The magazine's 'outside world' section highlighted just how isolated the event was as well. I kept coming accross people wondering whether or not Hussein had actually been captured in a Greek resort.

...
But yeah Shifter, the nature of the event did certainly change the further one went from the Pyramid Stage, no matter the direction. I was very surprised to see cops actually give someone a hard time about smoking a spliff in that area, but I guess they knew it really wasn't worth the hassle to go any further out.

But, this was my first one, I don't really have anything else to compare it to. But most of the people I spoke to felt that things had improved over recent years. Was there really that much of a change in the 'spirit' of the event?

Who/What did you guys see?
 
 
gertrude
16:13 / 08.07.03
This year totally rocked for me...Last time I was in glastonbury it was the mud bath years, which was kinda cool as well, but a different vibe. You really had to let go, live that festival life and not care about your home comforts, being constantly wet or in the dance tent when they accidently pumped shit into it instead of sucking out mud!

This year, the sun shone and I had backstage access which meant my loos flushed and had sinks (hurrah), the bar was v. civilised and I got to rag on a King of Leon or too... but the vibe is the same whether you're ligging or hanging out in the healing fields. It has a more centred one than V or Reading etc. In fact, moments for me, most definitely, were - Sunday afternoon, lying by the Stone Circle, giggling madly with friends after ingesting rather a lot of mushrooms....swaying to my own chilled out beat in the warm early evening breeze listening to the gorgeous Grandaddy...and having big chats & sharing happy thoughts of dead loved ones with an old mate well into the early morn.

Oh yeh and Sigur Ros / Royksopp / Zion Train were all good too...
 
 
unheimlich manoeuvre
17:34 / 08.07.03
posted by Khaologan23ris
Hakim Bey, TAZ the Temporary autonomous zone, autonomedia press, but it's anti-copyright so you should be able to get a complete copy of it from the web. that book is what you're talking about, basically the environment SHOULDN'T be maintained, because then it ceases to be that environment


im not sure how anti-copyright Hakim Bey really is...

Peter Lamborn Wilson a.k.a. Hakim Bey, who heroically puts an "Anti-Copyright" stamp below the author's and publisher's name in all his publications, wasn't reluctant to tell his Italian publisher, who had faxed him the shocking news of an unannounced book, to take legal measures against the copyright violation and name tampering. A great success for Luther Blissett and at least one dozen slaps into the face of model anarchist Monsieur Peter Lamborn Wilson.

posted by gertrude
or in the dance tent when they accidently pumped shit into it instead of sucking out mud!


hell yeah i remember that year!
i think that was the last year i went... is there still a travellers field? does eavis still give them free tickets?
 
  
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