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Tolkien and Race

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:25 / 06.07.03
I keep hearing (well, reading) references to Tolkein's Racism. Would someone like to lay out the case? I can see it up to a point, but I'd like it given full voice, because it seems a little weird to me to make arguments about 'racism' in a book where there are walking trees and an old man who talks to badgers is one of the major superpowers.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:51 / 06.07.03
I have no idea why it seems so impossible to locate racism in a fantasy setting - would the same logic make it impossible to detect misogyny in "Gor"?

As for racism in Tolkein - I'm always interested in these readings, as it seems they can be identified in so many different ways. There's geopolitical (the massy hordes of mordor, sweeping from the East to destroy the civilised west), class (the aristocracy - the old families - and the gentle, complacent squires of village England are threatened alike by a tide of unwashed industrial monsters, held back by a fierce but corruptible and outnumbered yeomanry)..the race reading seems only to be one of many.

So...let's see. You've got some obvious ones. People are stratified very severely according to race in LoTR; first by race - elves, dwarves, halflings, humans, orcs - then by genus - Wood Elf, man of Rohan, Dunedain - but that's a genericising process. If you're looking for "racist" in the sense of identifying "lesser" races, and specifically as representing non-white races as evil... well, you've got your orcs, of course - filthy dark-skinned creatures who eat human flesh - and your Uruk-Hai - demonstrations of the dangers of interbreeding between the white and dark races, savage creatures of incredible strength and savagery. Then again, Elrond is the product of miscegenation and seems to do all right , and JRRT puts the mixed-race marriage of Arwen and Aragorn at the climax of the book, although Aragorn is practically an elf anyway, so this reading is a bit complicated.

Then there are the Haradrim; a bunch of orientalised blokes from the South, sun-toasted an brown, cowardly and treacherous. And Bill Ferney's representation as some sort of gypsy...

Of course, the book is the product of a very different time; one of the interesting things about it as *text* is that it is still read avidly, often by people who will read nothing else from that period - who will read according to generic rather than historical context; also, it functions as a generic template for many subsequent and slavish retreadings, so the generic elements are endlessly and often uncritically recycled, or alternatively crically rerendered and examined (the "feminist fable" being an obvious example of this, the "bishonen with dragons" another). Increasing, to view LoTR as a book at all seems to me to be increasingly untenable, or perhaps more precisly *limited*.
 
 
that
14:20 / 06.07.03
What's with the spelling of Tolkien?

The Maiar breed with Elves and suchlike, also - plenty of elvish types are part Maia. The Maiar are a bit of an odd case in that they're so varied - from Gandalf to Sauron to the Balrogs... it's the whole godlike thing, I suppose, which tends to move proceedings away from racial stereotypes to some extent. Much talk of 'fallen' Maiar though...

But I know fuck-all about it, really, so I might just shut up, except to (rather pointlessly) say that it seems to be really difficult when creating fictional races not to indulge in some sort of racism, whether or not it maps directly onto the human world. Everything's essentialised - for instance, you might get the odd fucked-up elf (Maeglin, I guess, would be an example), but you don't get fluffy orcs, as a rule.

Yup, that was definitely pointless...
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:10 / 06.07.03
I have no idea why it seems so impossible to locate racism in a fantasy setting - would the same logic make it impossible to detect misogyny in "Gor"?

I wasn't thinking of a fantasy setting in general - so I should have been more precise. The women in 'Gor' (never read it, seen the jackets, so I'll guess) are obviously women - more or less directly equivalent to women-women in our world. I'm a little less certain about the races in Tolkien's world(s).

So...let's see. You've got some obvious ones. People are stratified very severely according to race in LoTR; first by race - elves, dwarves, halflings, humans, orcs - then by genus - Wood Elf, man of Rohan, Dunedain - but that's a genericising process.

The first of these are refered to as races, but I would be inclined to think of them as 'species'. They don't share a common ancestry, they were created differently, at different times, and by different Gods, if I recall. It seems to me that to ignore this is to cherry-pick. I'd agree that the 'races of man' notion is troubling, but then again, these are peoples falling under the direct and tangible influences of different Gods. They are tampered with by divinity. That's not to suggest there isn't a clear segregation by race, but this segregation is imposed from without, not arising by political division from within.

If you're looking for "racist" in the sense of identifying "lesser" races, and specifically as representing non-white races as evil... well, you've got your orcs, of course - filthy dark-skinned creatures who eat human flesh - and your Uruk-Hai - demonstrations of the dangers of interbreeding between the white and dark races, savage creatures of incredible strength and savagery.

I see what you're saying, but it appears to me that you're jumping the gun here. If these are intended as portrayals of our world, then they're racist in inception - though not necessarily in reading, of course. But orcs are specifically mentioned as having been created 'in mockery of elves' by an evil deity. That could make them the shadow-counterparts of angels as much as a depiction of 'non-white races'. Likewise with your statement that Uruk-Hai are a warning about interbreeding - if that's demonstrable in some way, well and good, but just looking at the text, I don't see that it's clear.

Then there are the Haradrim; a bunch of orientalised blokes from the South, sun-toasted an brown, cowardly and treacherous. And Bill Ferney's representation as some sort of gypsy...

Yes, this stuff I'd agree with, though it's not perhaps notably more racist than the bulk of writing which notices race at all before nineteen fifty - of course, it makes the race-reading of the other species of Middle Earth more problematic for me, because non-white races are already represented; I realise that a duplication is hardly impossible, but all the same.

Increasing, to view LoTR as a book at all seems to me to be increasingly untenable, or perhaps more precisly *limited*.

And there you lose me. I just don't know what that means.

I don't feel strongly about this, exactly - it isn't unlikely to me that a man of Tolkien's time and place should write a text which makes race-based assumptions or even puts forward a racially-composed world view. I'm just curious as to how much actual evidence there is; and as I say, it seems to me that to pick part of the world picture out - "species as possessing alignment and character qualities" - and separate this from the cosmology which brings it about, putting it the context of our world to claim that the text is a racist portrayal - is bad critical practice. If the claim is that Tolkien asserts that our world is actually like Middle Earth in certain ways - for example, that there is a benign God which created the White Races and provides their morality, and a manicchean opposite which created the Dark Races and makes them wicked and deceiving... Well, that's another thing again.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:17 / 07.07.03
This old thread may be of interest to you, Nick, though I suspect much of the ground has been covered here as well.

One of the problems I have always had with the portrayal of the Orcs is that their representation as reptilian reminds me horribly of European representations of Jews (and their language sounds faintly semitic, though I recognise that it is meant to be a corruption of Elvish). I don't mean to suggest that they are intended to be representations of Jews, just that there is a distinct echo there which is unsettling to me.

In fact I had a text message from my sister on Saturday asking if any of 'my Barbelith people' could point her to the exact place in Tolkien where there is racism - I shall point her to this thread and tell her that they're not my Barbelith people, they're everybody's Barbelith people...
 
 
Lurid Archive
12:43 / 07.07.03
I think it is fairly clear that Tolkien has a hierarchy of races. The Elves are just better than everyone else. Better looking, more graceful fighters, less corruptible, wiser and so on. The Dwarves are slightly farther down the chain and humans are lower still. Halflings occupy an interesting place, since they are clearly a lesser race, but their simplicity and naivite are to be admired. It even gives them strength.

None of this is particularly rascist, in my view, and I think one has to go to the orcs to attempt that argument. What it does display is a belief in a self evident stratification along class lines. The elves are *meant* to be at the pinnacle of society, and there they shall remain - until they decide the other races aren't worth their effort. Tolkien believes in aristocracy and admires the noble working class who are firmly in their place, rather than these nasty technological "races" who threaten to disrupt the natural order.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
13:36 / 07.07.03
Let's not forget that the elves are also a decadent, dying race, though (which makes the aristocratic reading even more convincing). If you're looking for racism it is probably easier to dig out in terms of what is portrayed as good, desirable and wise: the Elves, who are tall, blonde, blue-eyed, elegant, agile, skilled fighters and artisans who write in Nordic/Anglo-Saxon style runes are a dead ringer for Hitler's Aryan ideal. 'Nuff said? Probably not.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:03 / 07.07.03
All of which is contingent on making the claim that races and species in Tolkien's world should be taken as cyphers for or equivalents of racial and ethnic groups of our own. Once you say 'this world he has written is a statement about ours', it's easy. What I don't see is where that notion comes from.
 
 
grant
15:49 / 07.07.03
It's not that they're a map for our races (although "swarthy men" and Eastrons on elephant-back come close) -- it's that they're divided using the same structures as racism.

Nick sez: They are tampered with by divinity. That's not to suggest there isn't a clear segregation by race, but this segregation is imposed from without, not arising by political division from within.


I'm taking it you haven't read any of the ideology behind, say, Christian Identity or similar Aryan Nation groups. Or, for that matter, old-style Nation of Islam. Because it's pretty much the same set-up: the mud-people (or the white devils) are fundamentally flawed because they're made that way.

One of the interesting things that Tolkien does that gets around this essentialism is he constructs Men (and moreso Hobbits) as having the potential to fall as low as the Orcs (Grima, Gollum) or to rise as high as the Elves (Aragorn, Frodo, the Dunedain in general).

I also read the class differences as being more based on the relationship to machines vs. the environment. I'm pretty sure academic hay has already been made about Tolkien as proto-ecologist, or maybe as a transitional figure between older "Country Folk" and more recent Ecologists/Environmentalists.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
17:19 / 07.07.03
Oh, I recognise that the structure of Tolkien's world is defined by matters of race, and I am passing familiar with Hitler's rants and raves about Aryan perfection. As you say, though, Tolkien's structure also places Men in the middle ground (Middle Earth?) where they can rise or fall as they choose. It looks, from that angle, far more like an illustrated Christian paradigm, where temptation, Hell, and Heaven all exist together in tangible form, and you can go to whichever one you want if you're prepared to travel for a couple of weeks.

It's also worth mentioning how down he is on the smug, petty villainy of the bad hobbits - and on anyone who sees 'different' as 'suspect'.
 
 
The Fifth Columnist
22:16 / 07.07.03
Apropos of this discussion...if memory serves, during the ambush/Oliphaunt scene in Book 2 of "The Two Towers" (sorry no page ref.--I don't have the book to hand, but fans will know what I mean) Faramir admits to feeling some conflict/guilt in attacking and kiling other "Men" (humans) , even as a soldier in wartime. Sam also reflects on the spectacle of a Southron/dark-skinned corpse...a very sympathetic passage on this enemy combatant who, it is suggested, might very well have been drafted against his will into the service of Mordor... I would argue that this shows Tolkien could distinguish between his human and non-human creations, i.e. Orcs are supposed to be evil monsters, so who cares how they come off?
Also regarding race, a lot of it seems to stem from Tolkien's system of color symbolism: white=good, black=evil, all in the european/Xtian traditon...he predated deconstructionism. I don't think it ever occurred to him that he was using some very loaded words. Or if it did, he probably didn't consider it to be relevant
There is certainly plenty of class and "racial" stratification -- or species stratification, rather, since we're talking about elves and dwarves -- which Tolkien, the product of his era, never questioned, and which seems rather unfortunate seen from a present-day perspective. (Side note: I suspect that Tolkien, as a linguist and scholar, would have had little patience with "politically correct" speech even if he had been aware of it...Sauron is supposed to be Evil-with-a-capital-E, not "morally deficient".)
On the other hand, and just to be contrary, wouldn't such class awareness and multiculturalism have been completely out of place in the kind of world he envisioned -- a medieval, aristocratic society modelled closely on our own past? Apologies in advance, but the mind reels at the prospect of a squad or Uruk-Hai chanting "Black is Beautiful".....
 
 
The Jungle Keeper's Old Smoky Pipe, Haunted by The Black Dog Spirit
16:20 / 08.07.03
I think you are missing some basic points about Tolkien races here.

First, elves are not perfect. Ok, they look, sound and feel perfect, but only when compared to humans or other mortal races. In fact, in Tolkien's concept of races, humans are the perfect ones, with the gift of death and choice. You must consider that elves were built based on Iluvatar's former creation - the Valar - and thats why they're so skilled and stuff. But they're the most bad tempered of all races (take the Noldor for example).

Second, not all haradrim (southern) are evil. Actually only a few loose groups from the northern Harad worked for the Eye - Many other organized and powerful kingdoms kept away from that war, and re-established with Arnor/Gondor at the begining of the fouth age. Don't forget that the dunlandings - which lived at Eriador and resembles much alike the vikings/germans - joined Sauron's army (and were used to breed Saruman's Uruk-hai). So you have good men/ bad men, and not all westerns are good neither all easterns are bad.

I agree that Tolkien uses the old Xtian black/white concept, but even in these he's not 100% faithful since Saruman's symbol is a white hand.

And YES he was some kind of proto-ecologist - and it came from the destruction of the green areas around Birmingham, where he's grown (Sarehole). Thats where the hobbits came from is his mind, and he's a hobbit himself in this picture. All the old man wanted was a peaceful place to write, smoke his pipe and create new languages.

Well, i don't think he was racist, or that theres racism in his books. What you have is different races with different cultures. And monsters, loooots of monsters.
 
 
Jester
16:46 / 12.07.03
There's probably no easy way of detirmining if Tolkien was a racist or not. Something that people haven't mentioned: Tolkien famously wrote Lord of the Rings, etc, with the aim of (re)creating the missing mythology of England. He was an Anglo-Saxon/Old English scholar. If you have read Beowulf, etc, it is possible to trace the connections between Tolkien's ideas of good and evil, and the Anglo-Saxons'. This COULD be argued to be a nationalistic project. It's probably a bit more complex than that though. Tolkien was responding to, drawing from and elaborating what he saw in the source material. Which was, by modern standards, racist. But did Tolkien approach the LOTR as a modern revisionist or a historian?
 
 
grant
22:29 / 25.07.03
This satire might cover some interesting ground, or it might just be good for a laugh: McSweeney's presents the (unused) Noam Chomsky & Howard Zinn commentary for the Fellowship of the Ring DVD.


Zinn: Right. And here we receive our first glimpse of the supposedly dreadful Mordor, which actually looks like a fairly functioning place.

Chomsky: This type of city is most likely the best the Orcs can do if all they have are cliffs to grow on. It's very impressive, in that sense.

Zinn: Especially considering the economic sanctions no doubt faced by Mordor. They must be dreadful. We see now that the Black Riders have been released, and they're going after Frodo. The Black Riders. Of course they're black. Everything evil is always black. And later Gandalf the Grey becomes Gandalf the White. Have you noticed that?

Chomsky: The most simplistic color symbolism.

Zinn: And the writing on the ring, we learn here, is Orcish — the so-called "black speech." Orcish is evidently some spoliation of the language spoken in Rohan. This is what Tolkien says.

Chomsky: From what I understand, Orcish is a patois that the Orcs developed during their enslavement by Rohan, before they rebelled and left.

Zinn: Well, supposedly the Orcs were first bred by "the dark power of the north in the elder days." Tolkien says that "Orc" comes from the Mannish word tark, which means "man of Gondor."

Chomsky: Shameless really.



That's a very small excerpt.
 
 
diz
18:25 / 02.08.03
Apologies in advance, but the mind reels at the prospect of a squad or Uruk-Hai chanting "Black is Beautiful".....

actually, my girlfriend had the brilliant idea of protesting the opening night of The Two Towers dressed as orcs, trying to raise awareness of the negative depictions of our people. four of us got together and hit the local multiplex with signs and chants and flyers and orc makeup. people pelted us with concessions and yelled anti-orcish slurs. true story.
 
 
elene
08:21 / 03.08.03
I think white/black racism in LOTR is miles off the mark. This was all
colloquial symbolism at the time, during my childhood and youth and up
until about 1990, I think.

The racism in LOTR is all contained in the implications of inherited
rights and capacities. Aragorn is not just some skilled and experienced
warrior, and the Elves and other races have skills peculiar to them, as
if skill were inherited and not acquired.

Racism, as a significant evil, is all about inherited ability. Forget
black and white and look for characters who will never rule, they are
incapable of it, and characters who are destined to rule, and then notice
that the chosen/fallen ones represent entire races. The Orks are the
tools of Sauron, natural slaves, I've no idea whether they're black. Well,
in any other sense but that the night is full of danger.

Of course this maps to the reader's worldview. I know far too little of
Tolkein to suppose his world was filled with "beastly Fuzzy-Wuzzies as
far as the eye could see", but I'm sure many of his readers have lived
just such a terrible reality and I'm sure they've found relief in Tolkein's
theory of inbred ability. I think we all know though, this stupidity is no
more unique to Tolkein, Germans or whites than is a mastery of
mathematics, harmony or war.

What defused this for me was the way Tolkein treats the Hobbits and their
chosen one, Frodo. The Hobbits are ordinary people, their hero does not
start a dynasty and ultimately all the racist endeavour of kings and
countries is decided through the actions of two of these small people. I
think this is a significant dialectic of the story with the racist theory
that underlies the world of the book.

I'd better try to clarify my point. Nothing at all would change had
Tolkein avoided all direct mappings, e.g. "black", into reality. I doubt
one can write a non-racist imitation or celebration of LOTR without
replicating the story of the Hobbits. On the other hand the book would
need to be many times more explicit in its mapping into reality in order
to directly inspire racist behaviour against any particular "race".
 
  
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