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My Anti-"Fantasy" Rant.

 
 
All Acting Regiment
20:16 / 27.06.03
Okay, I read somewhere that "Celtic trilogies are selling really well on the fantasy market."

Right. Now look here. I could write a totally new, innovative and dark and scary and shivers down the spine book based on some form of fantasy, i.e. featuring a world not entirely true to our own in some way. It would not sell.

Or: I could cobble together a book like this, and get lots of money.

Title:

Author's "Portentious Name Of World" Trilogy, Book One,
"Dodgy Pseudo Irish/Scottish Name's" Quest for Something".

Let's call him Grobo. Grobo lives in a world that is just like medieval europe, or the dark ages, with a bit of ripped off ancient cultures thrown in. There are of course Dragons, and ogres, Orcs, Goblins, etc, see checklist. There is "magic". There is also THE GIMMICK.

GROBO has to go on a quest all of a sudden. He has to team up with A WIZARD, who has A BEARD. There is also a STRONG MAN, probably, he is a BARBARIAN. He invariably wears furry underwear, even if he come from a very hot country. There is also a SEXUAL WOMAN, probably an ELF.

They will go for A WANDER. They will come across some weak monsters. The Elf will shoot them, with arrows. Very magical ones. The wizard will use an impressive spell. The Barbarian will beat them with his large hammer.

There will, at some stage, be a crisis of faith. "is it worth doing this quest?" they will say. It will be. Then you will have to buy the next book.

OK, people in this world really shouldn't say things like "Bogor got cut by that mean Orc, but Bimble saved him with an elven herb poultice." But they will, damn it.

The cover art looks as though someone has gone and randomly pulled pictures from a history book and pasted them together. To anyone with even a basic knowledge of regional dress, culture and history, this will be abhorrent. Ussualy this is because a trendy young American "Fantasy Artist" has had their hands on it, damn them.

The point is, everyone wants to copy Tolkein, to the letter. It is one of those incredibly stupid things that makes you look at our world and say "Why? WHY?". Fantasy doesn't mean fantasy, it means a tolkein rip-off. Whether or not you like Tolkein doesn't matter.

What really, really sums this up for me is some twat called Tad somethingorother having a credit at the front of his book to "The people who assisted me in the creation of the world and characters depicted in this book". I mean, if you can't cut your own mustard, don't play with a knife. or something.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
20:35 / 27.06.03
You haven't read The Tough Guide to Fantasyland have you?

You really should.

It's funnier for one thing.
 
 
arcboi
21:00 / 27.06.03
This sounds most excellent. Two questions: Is it a trilogy and are the film rights still available?
 
 
Hieronymus
21:24 / 27.06.03
Have a lot of fantasy writers been working their craft in Tolkien's overappreciated shadow? Sure. But Tolkien wasn't by any means an innovator himself. Timing, especially in matters of the zeitgeist, is everything.

Personally I'd like to see that shiver-worthy story about a world not at all like our own, Chris. Long as Barbelithers get a free copy. *makes grabby motions with his hands*
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
05:52 / 28.06.03
a trendy young American "Fantasy Artist"

Fantasy artists are trendy? In America?

Where are you from, buddy?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
06:03 / 28.06.03
For a hard fantasy writer currently doing well by not sticking to any traditional rules of writing fantasy, try China Mieville. Sells well while still having the cache of being a cult thing right now, has won tons of awards... Perdido Street Station and The Scar are set in a ficticious world called Bas-Lag with dozens of different sentient races (The khepri are a race where the females are intelligent humanoid women with scarab heads - ie, their entire head is a giant beetle - while the males are simply drone scarabs who only exist to assist procreation. The vodyanoi are water-sculpting crosses between seals and humanoid life. Etc) existing in relative peace. It's steampunk with magic (called thaumaturgy), where clockwork and steam-powered machines, robots and vehicles are a commonplace. More ideas per square inch since Alfred Bester wrote Tiger, Tiger.
 
 
that
07:32 / 28.06.03
I could write a totally new, innovative and dark and scary and shivers down the spine book based on some form of fantasy

Could you? Do you really think so?

Or: I could cobble together a book like this, and get lots of money.

You'd be surprised. It might not be as easy as you think, dear.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:25 / 28.06.03
Chris:

Read this series and tell me again how easy fantasy is.

Your rant could apply to airport paperbacks from many genres - medical, technothriller, legal (John Grisham, you have much to answer for), horror, espionage (or rather, that rendering of espionage which substitutes magnitude of evil plans for intelligence)... and so on.

It's idiotic to talk about 'fantasy' as if it were all of one piece. It ranges from Mary Gentle's bizarre and wonderful 'Rats and Gargoyles' and Erikson's dauntingly detailed and enjoyable Malazan Empire series to the grim and tedious clones of Conan and Elric. It makes no more sense to talk this way about fantasy than it would to dismiss Graham Greene's wit and fury and Robert Harris' notable scholarship simply because Tom Clancy's 'Red Rabbit' didn't strike you as profound.
 
 
that
08:33 / 28.06.03
Re. the Tad Williams (because that's his name, ya know. And he writes well, IMHO - believable characters, interesting plots, a fair amount of innovation) thing - you expect authors to work in a vacuum, Chris? They're not allowed to discuss their creations with friends and family, bounce ideas around before committing them to paper? Why? People get inspiration from a lot of places...and I get the impression that writing books is as much a process of interaction as anything else, what with the editing process and blah blah fishcakes.
 
 
Panic
19:25 / 28.06.03
After working at my neighborhood used bookshop for a couple weeks, I noted:

1. Books with Wizards on the cover sell.

2. Books with Spock on the cover sell.


Therefore I shall write a book featuring Spock fighting a Wizard.

After a few more weeks (shelving and arranging the mystery paperbacks) I revised it thusly:

I shall write a book in which a Wizard is murdered, and Spock is accused of the crime. A librarian and her cat then set out to clear his name.


I expect nothing less than lifelong accolades and nerdfame. Which I shall quickly scorn and deride as I turn to serious literary Important Fiction.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
20:45 / 28.06.03
Nailbunny- I'm in total agreement about Mieville... he fucking rocks. But you forgot to mention the most important thing about The Scar... it's all about pirates!!!
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:14 / 28.06.03
This China Mieville sounds really cool, thanks nailbunny.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:28 / 03.07.03
I really want to read these Spock vs the Wizard books.

Get going!
 
  
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