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They won, didn't they?

 
 
deja_vroom
16:04 / 25.10.01


From a 6th grade public school textbook.

It's all over, right? right down people's throats, and no one even noticed... good luck, fellow americans, you'll need it...
 
 
Perfect Tommy
16:24 / 25.10.01
Our calculus problems have involved the most cost-effective soda can for years. It's been over for some time now.
 
 
Persephone
16:34 / 25.10.01
Slightly off-topic... I had a friend who strongly believed in a conspiracy theory about this same cookie and would religiously warn people that Oreos were "loaded with appetite stimulants."

I mean, yeah... sugar and fat.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
16:56 / 25.10.01
Uh, I'm not getting the picture(s). I suspect this topic would make more (ie some) sense with them. The site it's from seems to be down as well. Could somebody tell me what the hell this is all about, please?
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:02 / 25.10.01
PICTURE:
A picture of an Oreo cookie.

TEXT:
GUIDED PRACTICE
8. Food The best-selling packaged cookie in the world is the Oreo cookie. The diameter of an Oreo cookie is 1.75 inches. Express the diameter of an Oreo cookie as a fraction in simplest form.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
18:25 / 25.10.01
cheers dt.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
07:08 / 26.10.01
Mind you, the most disturbing thing I found out about American school textbooks was when I read 'You Are Being Lied To' (see Tom? SEE?!) was that to be accepted in American schools textbooks have to be vetter by two unqualified, Christian Texans who have decided they know what's best for millions of American schoolkids.
 
 
YNH
16:03 / 26.10.01
Yah, it's been over for a long time. When did these things come out? '96? It's paid advertising space with a young captive audience. Story problems involving how many Whoppers Juan will have to sacrifice in order to afford new Nikes.

(sigh) And there are televisions in what, 70% of US classrooms and faculty offer detention to those who refuse to sit quietly through commercials.

but it's not over... they have not won
 
 
Mordant Carnival
17:03 / 26.10.01
*Beats forehead repeatedly on desk.*
 
 
SMS
19:55 / 28.10.01
I can't help the feeling you folks are making a big deal out of nothing.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:30 / 31.10.01
quote:Originally posted by All-Loving SMatthewStolte:
I can't help the feeling you folks are making a big deal out of nothing.


i can't help feeling you ought to defend that. as school become funded more and more by corporations and schoolbusses are being used as advertsing space, we are in a lot of danger that classroom are becoming infomercials. schools already have a hard time teaching the truth about the history of american foreign policy, the motives behind the civil war, the effect of the Monroe doctrine, etc. how much worse will it get when american history has to be approved by nabisco the way tv shows do?

think about why embedding advertsing messages in math problems might not be bad, i'd like to hear your perspective.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
19:34 / 31.10.01
btw, the answer is 7/4 and the question has A LOT of irrelevant information.

can you link to where on the site it came from?
 
 
nul
23:39 / 31.10.01
*puts on his horns and pulls out his pitch fork*

...as school become funded more and more by corporations and schoolbusses are being used as advertsing space, we are in a lot of danger that classroom are becoming infomercials.

Corporate propaganda houses as opposed to clean-cut government propaganda houses. Corporations are to the US Government what the Church was to Feudal Kingdoms. They have lawyers instead of inquisitors.

You either get educated by the corporations or you get educated by the government. At least when the corporations are teaching, they have to pay someone to get you to listen. When the government is teaching you, they're using your money.

What purpose would the corporate world have to have inadequate education facilities, anyway? Stupid workers are inefficent workers. They don't produce as much, and the "new" economy requires more and more intelligent workers to keep it running. It's only logical that they'd step in and take over where the government seems to be failing. Cutting out the middle man.

schools already have a hard time teaching the truth about the history of american foreign policy, the motives behind the civil war, the effect of the Monroe doctrine, etc.

Schools have never taught the absolute truth about American history. They give a quick run down of what look like important events from the American point of view. The Brits were beaten, slavery was bad, the US liberated Europe twice, some reverend said something about having a dream, those hippies protested against Vietnam.

how much worse will it get when american history has to be approved by nabisco the way tv shows do?

What's the difference? Schools have been limiting the extent and the viewpoint in which history is taught to favor a pro-capitalist, pro-American, pro-corporate stance for decades. At least this way we can hold the corporations directly accountable if they screw up and decide to leave things that seem important out. It's great left-wing propaganda fodder. "Think of the children!"



think about why embedding advertsing messages in math problems might not be bad...

It presents something appealing to the student in the form of a problem, perhaps enticing them to look at it a little more carefully and gets the school system additional funding in the process.

The school system sucks because it doesn't recieve adequate funding from the government. The schools are trying to improve the quality of the education they can provide to the students. If that means using Oreos instead of circles to do math problems, that's what they have to do.
 
 
SMS
01:27 / 01.11.01
Yeah, I was just thinking it made the math problem a bit more interesting.

Irrelevant information is actually GOOD for a math problem of this type. In real life, we don't see signs everywhere saying 1.75 or f(x) = 3*sqrt(x). We see Oreo cookies, streetlamps, ladders leaning up against buildings, and so forth. But if we keep pointing at all the applications of math in the world, whether they have some practical value or not, the children may begin to see those equations in real life after all.
 
 
deja_vroom
12:50 / 01.11.01
I'm speaking for myself here, but I don't think that knowing that X-brand is the best-selling brand in the world will make my math problems a little bit more interesting or easy to relate to... its intrusive infomercial, period.

And that add came from Adbusters


quote:By Brenden:
What purpose would the corporate world have to have inadequate education facilities, anyway? Stupid workers are inefficent workers.

Exact the opposite, if we're talking about repetitive work. Actually, all McDonald's machinery is designed to supress the need to think from their workers; they're so easy to use one can figure it out almost without training, so McD saves time and money from training. I've read it in an interview with a McD CEO. They want drones that buy and drones that build.
2+2=5.

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nul
02:48 / 02.11.01
Exact the opposite, if we're talking about repetitive work. Actually, all McDonald's machinery is designed to supress the need to think from their workers; they're so easy to use one can figure it out almost without training, so McD saves time and money from training.

The service industry picking up the slack from automotive and other manufacturing industries that no longer require mass numbers of workers to perform repetitive tasks with minimal education, yes?

I think you failed to mention the turnover rate at a typical McDonalds franchise, which might also explain the relative simplicity of their equipment. When one enters into a McDonalds fast food joint and applies for a job as cashier or burger maker, they aren't exactly expecting a grueling challenge (or, in several cases, long term employment). Unless those annoying drones that keep asking for fast food count as a challenge.

While they offer only repetitive, boring work on the service levels... let's not forget the large base of white-collared workers who run the advertising, shipping/recieving, managerial and other departments behind the scenes. They aren't going to get these sorts of workers by inhibiting the education system. They will, however, get these sorts of employees by promoting education.

I've read it in an interview with a McD CEO.

Mind referencing the interview, either via the Internet or what printed source it was taken from? I just want to read it for myself.

They want drones that buy and drones that build.

So do all industries. They also want intelligent, educated persons to run their other divisions and keep the machine running.

2+2=5.

Yes, Winston. You're doing nicely now.
 
 
w1rebaby
18:15 / 04.11.01
quote:They also want intelligent, educated persons to run their other divisions and keep the machine running.

But not necessarily creative, free-thinking ones. I see no evidence that corporations (or most governments for that matter) currently have any interest in stimulating challenging thought in the schooled population.
 
 
SMS
09:39 / 06.11.01
what do you propose? I'm serious.
 
 
reidcourchie
09:39 / 06.11.01
Posted by Brenden Simpson
"The service industry picking up the slack from automotive and other manufacturing industries that no longer require mass numbers of workers to perform repetitive tasks with minimal education, yes?"

Minus a decent pay packet, minus a pension, minus a union, minus security. And knowing people who work on assembly lines in car manafacturers it's not unskilled.
 
  
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