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Gay pop music

 
 
grant
16:57 / 24.06.03
Apparently, it's Gay and Lesbian Awareness Month, at least on the public radio, and so they did this profile thing with three pop albums that document the history of gay civil rights.

The albums they picked:

Elton John's Goodbye, Yellow Brick Road. 1973. (He was still in the closet, then.)

Joe Jackson's Night And Day. 1982. (He was gay? Then why care if all the pretty women were walkin' with gorillas down his street? Hmm. The commentator says it's about "gay New York" immediately before AIDS hit. Hmm.)

The Pet Shop Boys' Very. (They cover the Village People. They mourn the lovers who didn't survive.)

Click on the page over here to read more, or to listen to the piece. The critic (Mark Mobley) also lists a "top nine" of Gay Pride Music, which includes kd lang, Bob Mould, Stephin Merritt and Bessie Smith.

Why nine? Why not more? Is this really a good, representative slice of history?

Are there other histories that could be told in albums?
 
 
that
17:09 / 24.06.03
Rufus Wainwright's dad wrote 'One Man Guy'?

I dunno, the choices seem somewhat arbitrary... but I would guess that it is the same with most musical lists...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
19:44 / 24.06.03
Is this really a good, representative slice of history?

Well, no. But that's because it seems to define "gay pop music" in terms of "gay people mak[ing] pop music", as the topic abstract has it. I can't help feeling that a better approach to any such history would be to look at the way in which various groups, subcultures or communities have adopted songs, artists or genres as their own. So for starters, I think it would be fascinating to examine to relationship between what I'd hazard a guess at being the mainstream (mostly male) gay scene, and shiny disco-influence pop - boy and girl bands, singing love songs that are specifically heterosexual in content at least half the time, and often very squeaky clean. What's going on there? Why does it seem to be quite such a universal constant, recognised by the community in question, the bands and their management (either clandestinely or otherwise), and even their detractors (I see/hear homophobic insults directed at boy bands and bands like Steps more often than any other genre)?
 
 
_pin
21:16 / 24.06.03
I'd just like to talk about something I don't know and suggest that maybe the reason why Steps et al get slated as "gay" is because they're being slated as "gay" by nu-metal fans, who slate everything as "gay", and it has nothing to do with a knowledge of fanbase, but rather the fact that most of the perjoratives they know involve calling things "gay".
 
 
--
21:24 / 24.06.03
How can they have a gay pop music list and NOT list Bronski Beat's "Age Of Consent"?!?! That album was a fucking milestone (not to mention the only gay pop album I can stand). SWell, okay, I'll cop to liken Erasure too.

When it comes to gay musicians, I prefer those that are a little more on the fringe (Pansy Division and Coil come to mind) rather then pop/disco stars.
 
 
Char Aina
22:58 / 24.06.03
gay discos where they actually play 'gay disco' suck.
i like good music, not happyclappy singalong shite.

i think boy bands do get a rep for being 'gay', but isnt that because they usually tour all those clubs that i am slating above to get a fan base?

have any of you seen a take that video or tour?
 
 
pasthair
00:30 / 25.06.03
I LOVe gay disco (the strings and piano):

Liza Minelli "Results" (Actually a Pet Shop Boys album).

"Orlando" Soundtrack

Anything by Erasure (the most underrated pop group of all time)

Just a start!
 
 
The Great Jor of Babylon
00:41 / 25.06.03
Someone should tell the writer of that article about "The Hidden Cameras," ohmygod. If you haven't heard them, you really should remedy that.
 
 
Danzig: He Pitys the Fool!
06:50 / 25.06.03
Why oh why wasnt Jimmy Somerville on that list, or Right Said Fred. Classic gay 80's icons. Was the list supposed to show that gay people making music can break the main stream and should be looked up to? There seems to be a hell of a lot of non gay artists playing at places like G.A.Y. every week, but writing 'gay anthems'. I don't get the relevance. But anyhoo, the best gay anthem ever has to be 'Feeling So Real' by Moby.

Oh yeah, I also own a couple of nu-metal albums, so as far as im concerned, everything else is gay!
 
 
that
09:52 / 25.06.03
What about Frankie Goes To Hollywood? For managing to cause soooo very much trouble with 'Relax' back in the day, if nothing else.
 
 
Mr Messy
10:38 / 25.06.03
A list of nine songs is bound to be a little disappointing. Its hard enough to do that 10 personal songs list, without trying to sum up gay music making in general.

And I guess that list feels so disappointing to me too. I mean is that it? Is that all that this guy could come up with?

More to say - but need to cogitate first.
 
 
No star here laces
14:59 / 25.06.03
Possibly cos it's NPR and they want a nice safe list. Elton John is okay with his ridiculous suits and botoxed boyfriend, the Pet Shop Boys don't actually possess genitalia and the Joe Jackson thing is just perplexing...
 
 
_Boboss
15:13 / 25.06.03
'London nights! When the party's high and the fever drives you wild...'

The london boys, dead in the nineties in a van crash near a ski resort

I've no idea if they were actually ga of course, but they were rather well groomed and looked like they went to the gym a lot. and tatu of course, they're gay as anything, no really they are
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:15 / 25.06.03
Know lang and Smith's music but haven't listened to much of Mould's and Etheridge is deadly dull. Haven't heard anything by the rest of them. They have to be gay then? How gay, I wonder?

Faith No More, REM, Dusty Springfield and the Smiths should be in there. And you have to count Martha and the Muffins. Echo Beach is the international lesbian anthem.

Certainly Bowie, even if he has now unbended a bit. Ditto Tom Robinson, who was bravely waving the flag when I were but a lad and having hit singles all the same in the high days of punk.

My list needs two more: keep the Pet Shop Boys and even Elton for Tiny Dancer and a few other tunes from way back.

It's an odd way to evaluate music though. I can't see that arse banditry or nuzzling the velvet really has much to do with making sweet music. There's such variety to account for. Vanilla gay sex always seems a bit of a three minute pop single to me, lesbians have to have a three act opera, and pervs like us just settle for providing the sound effects on Nine Inch Nails remixes.
 
 
grant
20:16 / 25.06.03
It seems like the critic in question was trying to come up with anthems for various moments in "the struggle," man.

Somehow, it seems like there'd have to be underground/bleeding edge shadows for each track -- what the cool kids were listening to while all the squares were into Yellow Brick Road, or something.

And the list of nine seems... weird. Why nine? Why not 10? Is there some significance to the number I don't get? Did the dude just *run out*?
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:43 / 25.06.03
There's a saying over here that "he's as queer as a nine shlling note", stemming from pre-decimal days when there was a ten shilling note in circulation. Doubt there's any connection though.

I guess I could see the point of an "Out and Proud" top nine but most of the stuff I associate with those swaying-together-at-Pride-and-pretending-we're-all-sisters moments is in the disco-anthem-performed-by-a-heterosexual-diva camp.

There were certainly totemic tunes from my early Gay Lib days, such as The Three Degrees' When will I see you again? but I have no idea what Sheila and the girls got up to in their dressing room. Perhaps they were lipgloss lesbians all the while.
 
 
Char Aina
22:15 / 25.06.03
What about Frankie Goes To Hollywood?

there was a version of relax that was not really released, as far as i can tell.
it was the version 'the tube' played, and it had a MUCH better bassline.

if one of you know where i could buy it, i would be grateful. and by buy, i of course don't mean download.
 
 
Char Aina
22:18 / 25.06.03
i was thinking about it, and i'm not really sure what songs i am talking about when i was saying gay disco.

i have this mental soundscape that sucks, a memory collection taken form the nights i have spent in the compamy of men who do men.

i like some of the things that are getting mentioned, and its making me realise that i like a lot that could be termed 'gay disco' by an ill mannered oik like myself.


TOKSIK NEED BRAIN FIXER.
 
 
Jack Fear
23:50 / 25.06.03
And you have to count Martha and the Muffins. Echo Beach is the international lesbian anthem.

You what what what what what WHAT?
 
 
Cherry Bomb
10:41 / 26.06.03
What about Patti Smyth??? What about Morrissey???
 
 
Big Dave
13:48 / 26.06.03
All music's for poofs.

Stop whining and play some football instead like a real man, you bi-curious bastards.

Oof! Have that!
 
 
Rollo Kim, on location
12:55 / 27.06.03
It all seems a bit token. What about Ethyl Smyth? Rather Ethyl Smyth than Tatu.

"They didn't think it through!"
 
  
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