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Who was Quimper?

 
 
Porn Star Justice
19:19 / 22.06.03
In "The Disinformation Guide to The Invisibles" the authors state that Quimper was John-A-Dreams in another guise, perhaps a fiction suit.

Though the mode of dress kind of matches, I really don't see any other clues or evidence to support this assertion.

Does anyone have a better theory on what Quimper was, or perhaps better proof on how he was John-A-Dreams?

Any info will be appreciated.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
19:45 / 22.06.03
Well, the clothes are supposed to be the main clue.

Runce can probably explain it better than me, but basically as I understand it John puts on the timesuit in the church in Philidelphia and steps outside the universe. This means he can choose to experience things as anyone he wants. Therefore, he 'plays' as everyone in the Invisibles, but not only that, he's also everyone in the Preacher and Transmetropolitan universes, everyone in the Marvel universe and the DC universe except Fate because he was shit. He's also 72 people who never existed at all, and about 23% of the people on this board. And that's a scientific fact, even though there is no proof.
 
 
dlotemp
22:24 / 22.06.03
Well, I'm not Runce, who is a charming chap, but I hope I'll do. I don't have the books in front of me but Quimper has a throw away line in v.2 that is something like "I once was John..." Of course, he also once was "a little light" and the alien who was present during Lord Fanny's rape. As the previous poster pointed out, the big giveaway is the suit which matches John-a-dreams style. In several interviews, Grant Morrison confirms that the dashing white suit is a visual clue that the character is somehow linked to John-a-dreams. Of course, King MOb wears a white suit during Black Science 2, which I think was a mistake. But, GM has clearly stated that Quimper is John-a-dreams.

The quick explanation -

John-a-dreams puts on the time suit, possibly the same one used by Ragged Robin, and his consciousness is bounced literaly around reality. He returns to the ongoing story using fictionsuits, and two confirmed suits are Quimper and the Guvenor of Division X. Of course, the implication is that everyone is a fictionsuit. The John-a-dreams as Quimper and Guvenor is just a conceit - a meme - used to indoctrinate the reader into considering all the characters as fictionsuits, that everyone is an aspect of the whole.

Feel free to confirm or correct my thoughts, fellow Lithers.
 
 
Aertho
16:22 / 23.06.03
Here's a thread I wrote some time ago trying to explain timetravel, fictionsuits and such. Perhaps it'll help you this time around.

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As I see it, the entire flawed universe was created by events in the 20th and 21st centuries. All else was setup and foreplay. This is my Invisiverse theory, which like my Phoenix Force theory, is probably wrong... but it makes perfect sense to me and I hope it might help you.

In the early nineties, John A Dreams and King Mob entered a church basement and discovered a room with a huge writhing biomass, referred to in the text as "the orgy of the insect people". But that isn't actually what they saw -the biomass was only what thier minds generated from the information their eyes were taking in. The biomass was actually a fracture point in the continuum, a hole in spacetime, where the fifth dimensional "outside" intersected with four dimensional "universe". The information proved too much for KM and he wound up in an asylum. John A Dreams somehow understood what it really was, and "enterred the biomass", thereby physically crossing over into the "outside" fifth dimension.

Now we have to talk about the nature of the fifth dimension, which is highly theoretical and could spark endless debate. Let's cut to the chase and say one usable truth: the fifth dimension is "outside" of the temporal flow. If you were to be "outside" the four dimensions of our universe, you could potentially step back into it at any point in the timestream... and, you would be completely aware of the entire linear past, present, and future of the timestream, because it would be similar to us looking down at a map and seeing the entirety of a particular region.

This made John A Dreams a random element suddenly(wrong word -because sudden implies a before and after) in the fifth dimension. I theorized that his "sudden step" into the fifth ripped it somehow, causing all four dimensions to exist without the fifth. John A Dreams step "outside" reverberated back and forth along the four dimensions left and created the universe. "Once I was a little light" -he said as Quimper, but we're nowhere near that yet.

With John forever outside the timestream, he was also forever inside the timestream -as part of the entire thing. One could argue that John was merged with the fifth dimensional "universe entity" because of his trespass, but we don't have to talk about that just yet. John became conscious of his pan-dimensional state as more and more indivudals became self-aware and conscious. In this way, John assumed his role as the collection of universal awareness -the Harlequinade. He also retained some self-awareness of his individual human-sized will and found that attached to fifth-dimensional intelligence, thereby becoming another outside-the-game-player, known to some as Satan, to others as the Blind Chessman.

Using these two roles together over millenia, John sought to use the growing self-awareness and self-consciousness(actually aspects of the "healing" fifth dimension) of the remaining four dimensions of the universe to repair the damage he had inadvertantly done. So he stepped in at specific points in the timestream to create the Invisibles. The purpose of these Invisible agents were to push humanity toward the end of time and the repaired completion of the fifth dimension.

As John was everyone, in, out, and along the perimeter of the "universe", he was also all the Invisible College "greys". The alien-like agents that "abducted" certain humans like Dane and Mason, were deep down also aspects of John A Dreams. One of these greys was captured by some malicious human beings and was subjected to torture, rape, and severe burns. This grey was emotionally corrupted and developed the individuality of Mr. Quimper. Over time, this burned grey became affiliated with agents of the Outer Church, and as a telepathic agent of control, served the finite purpose in the timestream of escalating the force and form of human fear -these forces and forms would become known as the Archons.

Eventually, it became necessary to remove Quimper from the Outer Church's influence and return him to the fifth dimension perimeter where he belonged. An elaborate scheme was developed by the Invisibles of the late nineties to attack Quimper in his base at Dulce. But that attack relied completely on a gambit that they would make over a decade in the future -sending another telepathic agent into the past to help them. They found this agent in the form of Ragged Robin.

Okay, I'm getting carpal tunnel. I'm gonna write more later when I rest up.

Okay, so Ragged Robin was equipped with a telepathy enhancing implant to help her defeat Quimper, and preparations were made to send her physically back in time. Physical time travel is MUCH different than psychic timetravvel, because while aspects of the mind exist in the fifth dimension and can travel outside of the four others, sending a physical four dimensional object in and through itself rips the timestream continuum.

Nevertheless, an Invisible theorist developed a working timemachine and sent RR back to the early eighties. She acted crazy long enough for John A Dreams(the human Invisible and not-yet-trespassed version that is actually everpresent anyway) and his team of Invisibles to locate her and initiate her into the team. She left the timesuit in a warehouse basement in San Francisco where no one would locate it until she was ready to tell people where to find it.

Over time, with her new band of Invisibles, Ragged Robin and King Mob and the rest got involved with the search for a strange and powerful artifact called the Hand of Glory. The Hand proved to have certain powers over time and space, and was theorized to be a kind of lynchpin for four-dimensional intersections. The team located the Hand, but needed to learn how to use it effectively, so King Mob fell asleep and psychically travelled back in time to the 1920's to meet the Invisibles of that era.

We will return to KM's time in the 1920's after we discuss Ragged Robin's departure from the late nineties. After KM returned with information about the Hand, preparations were made to send RR back to the time she came from. They located a young Takashi Satoh and unearthed the old timesuit for the San Fransisco warehouse. Using radiation from the Hand, retroengineered technology from the timesuit, and liquid processers from Mason Lang's industries, RR was set to return to her original team of Invisibles from the future.

Ragged Robin said her goodbyes and they fired up the timesuit. However, it malfunctioned. The timesuit folded out of four dimensions and got lodged in the fifth, where it began to slide toward different points of timestream intersections, taking RR on a ride throughout history.

One of these "stops" RR found herself in was during a seance with the 1920's Invisibles, King Mob, and the Hand of Glory. Beryl Wyndham, Queen Mab, was a psychic who registered RR's presence in the room, but couldn't quite understand what it really was. Beryl's mind allowed for the Hand of Glory to fully intersect with the lodged timesuit, and the intersection began to warp all of spacetime and the fifth dimension.

Another of the psychics in the room, a young magician named Seaton, or Tom O Bedlam, was drawn into the fifth dimensional fracture, where he experienced fifth dimensional existence and the entirety of the fifth dimension. In that moment, his subsequent fears(amplified by the fifth) and magickal ability condenced the fracture to a singularity back and forth through time, generating the superdense star of the Outer Church. The event warped his mind.

Billy Chang somehow registered all that was happening and willed the Hand to fix and reset the timespace distortions. This act sent KM's astral form back to his body in the nineties, and unlocked the timesuit, which sent RR to her original destination, 2012. Unfortunately, the timesuit's original departure from the 21st century left a rip in the continuum, and RR skipped her descended point and landed right into the supercontext, where she merged with it.

The supercontext occurred in 2012 and merged all 5 dimensions, ending the universe and waking up the "universal entity". John A Dreams' work was done, but the malfunctioning timesuit was still bouncing through the timestream. It eventually crumpled and folded into a church in Philadelphia's basement, in the early nineties. It's trip through the dimensions rendered it unrecognizable to human senses and open to a rip in the fifth dimensional continuum.

Eventually, King Mob and John A Dreams located the broken, original, and discarded timesuit, and John had to put it on. Thus, we end at the beginning.
 
 
PatrickMM
18:50 / 23.06.03
I remember having some problems with the DisInfo guide's explanation for what happened to John and I think that Chesed's is closer to being accurate. So, if that's confusing you, Kingfuzz, it could be because their explanation is just one explanation.

The way I see it is similar to Chesed's, but a little less global. The events of the book will always happen, and they can not happen any other way. Robin must always go back in time, and the supercontext will always come about. However, to ensure that these events occur there is a group of 5-D beings (The Harlequinade, John, Satan) who manipulate the characters in order to bring about the events.

When John steps in the biomass in the church in Philadelphia, he is taken outside of time, and shown wholes in the eventstream. As a result, John re-enters into the game, and takes on a variety of roles.

As Satan, he gives Dane the neccessary knowledge to convey to him the nature of the universe. He plays Jack Flint for the purpose of conveying to the characters and reader the nature of a fiction suit.

He also plays a gray, who eventually becomes Quimper. Whenever the characters talked about him, they always stressed how kind and gentle John was, and this is paralleled when he is talking about how Quimper was seen by children and as a spirit of good. However, he has to be corrupted, and Quimper is the good John corrupted.

What are the clues? At the end of Volume II, Satan relays the message to Jack that Quimper wanted to tell him something, "once my name was John," a statement that could apply to both Quimper and Satan himself. Before I read Volume III, I suspected that Quimper was John because of the idea of the light being corrupted, in addition to the suit.

On a completely different note, Grant has said that Quimper is an abortion that his girlfriend has, a perfect description of the character. Quimper was once a little light, the promise of happiness that a new child is, but he was corrupted, and now lingers as a bad memory that haunts the people who came into contact with him. Going further, if Robin is an analogue for Morrison's fantasy girlfriend, the fact that Quimper invades her mind, and controls her, would be analagous to the bad memory of the abortion invading Grant's girlfriend's mind. I think this is mentioned in the Disinfo guide during the Grant interview section.
 
 
diz
18:55 / 23.06.03
i really like your take on it, Chesed, though mine differs in some points.

as i see it:

we perceive ourselves to exist in four-d spacetime. however, perceived from five-d, four-d is a unified whole, a whole which is, in fact, a larval version of a 5-d entity of some unfathomable sort.

both the archons/Quimper/Outer Church forces and the greys/Invisibles/Invisible College forces are perceived by themselves and others (or, rather, by 'themselves" and "others") as existing on the borders of 4-d spacetime and are trying to serve as midwives for the cosmic baby. 4-d spacetime as we know it, however, is by its very nature, a liminal "entity" and taking it out of that liminal state will "destroy" it in the sense that it will no longer be what it once was. 4-d space is like an interpretation of Schrodinger's Cat - once you open the box, it's special liminal state must end. the waveform collapses as it becomes something definite.

right now, what is keeping 4-d space in its liminal state are the perceptions of its inhabitants. they perceive themselves to exist as separate and discrete entities existing in four dimensions, which are "Real" and have Real consequences. both sides seek to strip them of that perception in order to force 4-d spacetime out of its unresolved state, each by attacking one side of that equation.

the archons want to accomplish this by stripping people of their perceptions of themselves as discrete individuals and break down the perception that different things exists, which would subjectively appear to cause everything to "collapse" into a single, undifferentiated point of zero dimensions. because that involves stripping us of selves which we perceive to be Real, we react with terror to this thought, and our terror causes the archons to appear in terrifying visages. the loss of self we experience under their attention manifests as shame, self-hatred, conformity, etc etc.

the Invisibles, on the other hand, want to accomplish this by destroying the artificial limitations of 4-d spacetime, to essentially convince us all that the limits of 4-d spacetime are not Real. rather than stripping everything down to zero dimensions, they are trying to open things up to an infinite number of dimensions.

the trick here is that the dichotomies are false. infinity=zero. the Invisible College and the Outer Church both essentially represent the same thing (exit from 4-d space and transition into 5-d existence), seen through different lenses. the Outer Church is shaped by our fears of loss of self and our attraction to stability (RR - "I want to be a number"), the Invisible College is likewise shaped by our attraction to the infinite possibilities of existence and by our fears of loss of coherence and direction (Sir Miles' challenges to KM during their psychic combat, that revolutionaries like him can't build anything to replace what they destroy).

from the 5-d Supercontext, the reality experienced subjectively from inside 4-d is a fiction. John and Quimper are both fictionsuits worn by the same 5-d entity to experience the game of 4-d subjectivity.

it is the nature of the game that while you are "in character" you don't normally know that you're "in character." subjectively, you think that your fictionsuit is the "real you." however, because of John's encounter with the Shoggoth/discarded timesuit, he momentarily escapes from 4-d space and sees that "John-a-Dreams" is just a fictionsuit from the perspective of 5-d, and that [he has also played/is also playing/will also play] other characters as well. this experience is subjectively disruptive to his identity - imagine what would happen to Pulp Fiction if, when the character of Jules looked into the briefcase, he "woke up" in mid-scene and not only realized that he was a character in a movie, but also realized that he "was" also Mace Windu and Shaft and a bunch of other characters in realities he can scarcely comprehend, while also glimpsing an uber-reality where all of those realities are just movies and he's an actor called Samuel L. Jackson.

things that are perceivable in 4-d spacetime like the Hand of Glory, the timesuit, magic mirror, and Barbelith are essentially "game cheats" left inside our reality which, in various ways, crack the perceptual boundaries of 4-d spacetime and, to a certain extent, remind the entities that their fictionsuits are just fictionsuits. also, certain fictionsuits (the Harlequinade and the Blind Chessman/Satan in particular, but also magic mirror and Barbelith if those are fictionsuits, which i think they are, and ultimately, also, Dane) are, by the nature of the role, more aware of their own fictionsuit-ness than others, and some fictionsuits (the archons, the grey aliens) are sort of on the fringe, aware that 4-d space is an illusion but not aware that their own struggles with the "opposite pole" are also another level of illusions.

this last part reflects the experience of many mystics, especially Buddhist ones, who warn against the dangers involved in the experience of blissful union with [the divine/the cosmos], in which the precise danger is that those experiences are so overpowering and seemingly all-encompassing and liberatory that they may be mistaken for true liberation. those who have undergone modification in the Outer Church or who have been abducted by the greys often feel that they are "out" of the game and perceiving it from outside, when they are actually on the very cusp of true release, but looking inward. however, the folly of this mistaken belief is, through another lens, the compassionate response of the bodhisattva who chooses to forego liberation in favor of helping others get as far as they have gotten. one could argue that John-a-Dreams and Quimper reflect both sides of this particular coin - John the boddhisattva who liberates others, but most importantly Fanny, and the delusional Quimper, who is in turn liberated by Fanny.

Fanny, to me, is an entirely different can of worms in this whole issue, and the complexities of the John/Quimper/crucified alien/crucified toad relationship with Fanny is one of the most rewarding to explore for me at this point in my understanding and appreciation of The Invisibles. there's so much depth and complexity to it, and i think for me the key is that John/Quimper is the quintessential fictionsuit, and Fanny is the very embodiment of the shapechanger who assumes and discards identity at will and with conscious intent. my head starts boggling at the whole thing when i think about it too hard.

in any case, it's important that Dane almost falls into the trap of the divine bliss in his first major test (his battle with the King-Of-All-Tears) and succeeds in escaping it, in a prefiguration of the ultimate liberation in the assimilation into the 5-d Supercontext which occurs through the reconciliation between the liberated sense of individual identity and Barbelith, the 4-d physical manifestation of the knowledge that that 4-d spacetime (and individual identity in that spacetime) is an illusion.

the whole fictionsuit/Supercontext opens tantalizing possibilities. we are to understand that 4-d spacetime is a fiction, and the individuals within that spacetime are characters, fictionsuits worn by 5-d beings in the Supercontext. from the Supercontextual perspective, 4-d spacetime is "only a game."

here is the train of thought that leads me on. the three major points that hit me are in bold italics below. i apologize if any of it is old hat to experienced Barbelithers.

4-d spacetime is a fiction from a 5-d supercontextual perspective. however, 4-d spacetime has its own fictions, movies and pop culture and video games and such.

4-d reality begins to unravel concurrently with the blurring of the line between what is reality and what is fiction in 4-d space. to borrow a Baudrillardian term, the development of hyperreality is discussed by the characters at several points in the series, especially by Mason Lang and most notably by Mason Lang and KM right before KM blows up his house.

this line continues until, in Robin's future of 2012 (or her past, or, well, you know what i mean) the combination of drugs, virtual reality, and nanotech/liquid computers have rendered the distinction between fiction and reality all but meaningless.

this growing softening of the line between reality and fiction gets to be almost absurdly convoluted in Moebius-strip fashion when you consider that The Invisibles exists as a book and an interactive simulation/video game in the 2012 world. the book not only describes the past, but allows Robin to don a fictionsuit and alter it at the same time that her subjective present is part of the book/game. so, as it becomes possible for the fictionsuit that is Robin to wear another fictionsuit of herself and use it to alter the past of her own fiction without ever leaving it, and (pardon me while my brain catches its breath for a second) the nature of that alteration is itself the whole timesuit clusterfuck, the "reality" of 4-d spacetime collapses in upon itself, and no wonder, because it is well past the point where it could possibly make any fucking sense at all.

once this happens, the entity that is 4-d space is "born" as an individual in a "higher" context which is 5-d existence. however, there is no reason to believe that the 5-d supercontext is itself not an illusionary game played by 6-d entities, and so on and so forth. it's like Russian matryoshka dolls. 4-d space is encompassed in 5-d space which is "above" and "outside" it, but it also has pop culture "below" and "inside" it. the fictions "below" and "inside" 4-d space erupts up into 4-d spacetime which is its own Supercontext, at the same time that 4-d spacetime erupts up into 5-d. in both cases, the eruption "upward" is prompted in part and goaded along by the "downward" intervention of supercontextual entities wearing fictionsuits (RR intervenes in her own fictions as the 5-d entities intervene in theirs). it's hard not to imagine a ripple effect of sorts, but even that implies that somewhere up or down the line, there's an "Ultimate Supercontext" where "Time" is "Real." in the absence of such an Ultimate Supercontext, all of this [is an illusion/will happen/is happening/has already happened/never happened] depending on your perspective, which doesn't exist except to itself.

in the context of all this, it's important to remember that the Invisibles as a comic book is a fiction, to which our reality is the Supercontext, and GM has explicitly stated that at least KM is the fictionsuit in which he intervened in that fiction/reality. moreover, the commentary on hyperreality and pop culture and technology and magic(k) and such, as well as the future-tech stuff GM brings up, is based on things in our own reality. we already exist in hyperreality (if we haven't always) and the rush of technological change is making that ever more evident. the implications of the relationship between our reality and the fiction of The Invisibles are interesting considering the relationship between fiction and reality within The Invisibles.

of course, this post is a metanarrative on top of The Invisibles which affects my subjective... ack...

metanarratives within metanarratives. head hurts. must stop.
 
 
nihraguk
08:35 / 24.06.03
dizfactor: that was some great stuff; appreciate the mental gymnastics you pulled to get that interpretation of the invisibles out for the rest of the people who weren't around to bear witness to the unfolding analysis of the series at its inception in the '90s. i for one, only recently started on the invisibles; and your explanation has really contributed to my reading of it.
 
 
Gary Lactus
09:41 / 24.06.03
Quimper's real name was Douglas Doig.
 
 
_Boboss
09:57 / 24.06.03
and he wasn't that small, just kneeling down
 
 
diz
15:21 / 24.06.03
appreciate the mental gymnastics you pulled to get that interpretation of the invisibles out for the rest of the people who weren't around to bear witness to the unfolding analysis of the series at its inception in the '90s.

i didn't read it then, either, actually. i read it in trade paperback. but, thank you in any case.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
03:42 / 25.06.03
"imagine what would happen to Pulp Fiction if, when the character of Jules looked into the briefcase, he "woke up" in mid-scene and not only realized that he was a character in a movie, but also realized that he "was" also Mace Windu and Shaft and a bunch of other characters in realities he can scarcely comprehend, while also glimpsing an uber-reality where all of those realities are just movies and he's an actor called Samuel L. Jackson."- dizfactor

That was great. Thank you.
 
 
Timewave Zero
20:46 / 25.06.03
dlotemp - you are grant morrison
 
 
Professor Silly
04:31 / 26.06.03
Now I was under the impression that the Hand of Glory was Ragged Robin in the time suit--she mentions that she must look monsterous to those at the seance. That's why the Hand tends to fuck up the time stream....
 
 
Aertho
17:40 / 26.06.03
I included RR's appearance at the seance, but I hadn't considered that she actually WAS the Hand of Glory. But then, where's Beryl's hand after Miles' attack? That's a mystery.

Anyway, I recommend reading A Brief History of Everything by Ken Wilbur and Issue 12 of Promethea to get a greater understanding of time as an organic and evolutionary process.

Imagination becoming Reality is the theme of the century -at least until Timewave Zero, when Pop Culture hits the Yellow Meme.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:35 / 26.06.03
Ragged Robin in the Timesuit is the King of All Tears, loaded down with the negative psychic debris of Tom's guilt over his homosexuality and the death of his father, the deaths of all the Hiroshima victims, and carrying what remains of Mr Quimper (and probably a few other things that slip my mind momentarily). King Mob pops open the suit and frees her.
 
 
weepy_minotaur
20:34 / 14.07.03
dizfactor, you are Batman.
 
 
waxy dan
12:29 / 18.07.03
On the white suit thing, does that mean Orlando's a suit for John (or John's 'player') as well?

Am I stating the astoundingly obvious?
 
 
■
12:52 / 18.07.03
Thinking about it (and I'm amazed I hadn't before)... yes. What better way to foreground the nature of the fictionsuit than having an eternal entity which borrows people's faces and wears them as masks?
 
 
waxy dan
14:02 / 18.07.03
I know. I can't believe I didn't make that connection before.

I dunno.. maybe he's the bad part of Jon that went on a mad one directly after realising what he was... or something or other... that doesn't make much sense actually. I'll go for the 'other' option.

Or, as he supposedly came from an earlier world, maybe he's a really brutal 'beta' copy of the more elaborate and refined fictionsuit?
 
 
■
17:24 / 19.07.03
Well, I've always been of the opinion that John's suits aren't entirely aware of who or what they are. Since all the characters are in one way or another John then there are levels of awareness which seems to have a sort of bubble or plateau which results in the self aware characters perhaps starting with Orlando then Satan then Quimper, John and The Guvnor after which it all tails off so that the "We are all one" awareness becomes more generalised.
 
 
■
22:58 / 19.07.03
Whoo. Two sentences. Enthusiasm over grammar...
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
00:19 / 28.07.03
so does all of this make "john" similar to the sphere in Flatland?

i have always liked to think that the biblical burning bush was something like that, from outside of our dimensions so could only be perceived in a certain way in our world.

A. Square only saw a line growing and shrinking until the sphere knocked him outside of Flatland. What i am seeing is people saying that whatever john saw in the basement knocked him out of our reality so he was able to see everything at once, and then re-enter to make changes.
 
 
rakehell
01:14 / 29.07.03
An analogy that's used quite often to simply illustrate the differences between dimensions can be useful here.

If a hand is plunged part-way into a pool of water, a 2D creature on the surface of that water would see 5 lines of varying length. Anyone in 3D space can see that what the 2D entity perceives as 5 seperate objects fingers are in fact joined to one hand. That's the intersection of a 3D creature with 2D space.

So John is the intersection a 5D creature with 4D space.

Another concept which helps with understanding the nature of things in the Invisibles is that the passing of say, a 3D sphere through 2D space. This would look like a point in space which becomes a line, which gets bigger, then smaller, then disappears.

So the passing of a 5D sphere through 4D space would look like a point which becomes a sphere, which gets bigger, then smaller, then disappears.

This is relatively easy to imagine with simple geometric shapes, but gets a lot harder when you try and imagine what a 5D finger pointing at you would look like.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
18:43 / 29.07.03
//"imagine what would happen to Pulp Fiction if, when the character of Jules looked into the briefcase, he "woke up" in mid-scene and not only realized that he was a character in a movie, but also realized that he "was" also Mace Windu and Shaft and a bunch of other characters in realities he can scarcely comprehend, while also glimpsing an uber-reality where all of those realities are just movies and he's an actor called Samuel L. Jackson."- dizfactor//

if this had actually happened in UNBREAKABLE [as I thought it would at some point] it would have been a great movie.
 
 
diz
19:35 / 29.07.03
the Orlando/John(/Quimper/etc) connection adds yet another level to the Fanny/John thing, doesn't it? isn't it Fanny who banishes Orlando? and doesn't that tie in somehow to her initiation story? which also ties into her relationship with John?

i can't find my copy of Say You Want a Revolution right now, but man, do i want to do a cross-reference of everytime Fanny deals with a known or suspected fictionsuit of the John-a-Dreams player.

i don't think that Satan is one of the John fictionsuits (in the same sense), though. Satan is the one that Quimper tells that he is also John...
 
 
salthigh
00:59 / 17.09.13
It seems very much like Robert Anton Wilson, corrupted cripple of the secret society of Electricians.
 
 
salthigh
01:01 / 17.09.13
Peace be upon him.
 
 
salthigh
05:36 / 17.09.13
I don't mean to brag since you all have so much to tell but if you say Blind Chessman a 100 times in front of the mirror Laurence Gardner comes to haunt your dreams. Makes me wonder if he's some sort of Dr. Manhattan.
 
  
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