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Girls Rule, Boys Drool: The New Gender Gap

 
  

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Nematode
21:40 / 01.07.03
Actually I suspect that both Surrey landowners and yorkshire miners probalby did both have roles that are simultaneously disintigrating as the institutions which we all grew up with disintegrate. As I suggested in a previous post, arguably men are more social structure dependant in terms of personal definition and a more culturally and economically chaotic situation tends to disempower them more than women. Zoe Williams, writing in todays Guardian points out that men who love children are regarded as 'irredeemable perverts' by society in general something of a disincentive to get heavily involved in child care and probably something that is damaging the upbringing of boys who basically in a single female parent household may well avoid any male contact until they are nicked for the first time. Reckon you're right about the uber girls, Servelan. It's already starting to happen to some of my brothers high flying crew, and it's a problem. Oh and I think the pay gap is on average 19%.
 
 
klint
23:28 / 03.07.03
Cherry - did you read the plaintext online version that you linked, or did you read it in the magazine form? The text of the article really doesn’t imply anything like what you and Bitch Magazine are saying it does... But I could see where some menacing fonts, some disturbing illustrations, etc. could change the entire tone of the piece.

It's not at all saying that women excelling are bad, it's saying that men failing is bad. The last paragraph sums it up nicely: "A new world has opened up for girls, but unless a symmetrical effort is made to help boys find their footing, it may turn out that it's a lonely place to be. After all, it takes more than one gender to have a gender revolution." I do believe she's saying there needs to be an equal effort made to help boys succeed... or at least not completely fuck up and become a gender of bums and criminals. And yes, Michelle Conlin seems to be a women (another article by her). The tone of the article sounds very pleased with the success of women... "

BW doesn't "predicts big trouble if girls are allowed to flourish," she suggests benefits of keeping men educated: "Better-educated men are also, on average, a much happier lot. They are more likely to marry, stick by their children, and pay more in taxes." She doesn't say, or imply, educating men means *not* educating women, or that educated women pose a threat, or anything of that nature. Just that overlooking boys in schools leads them to do poorly in school, and that we should expect negative consequences from that.

If there's a bone to be picked with this article, it's the idea that schools really do put a significantly higher emphasis on girls than on boys. I just graduated college, but I went to an alternative school, so it's really hard to say if what went on there is representative of colleges in general (for the record, I don't think there was a significant amount of gender bias in education in general... the only potential issue is the existence of scholarships available exclusively to women, which may be redundant now that more women than men are attending college). I don't remember grade school, but my mother (a feminist) was pissed by the emphasis my third grade teacher placed on girls. Of course, that's purely anecdotal. High school I remember more, but I went to a very conservative high school in Wyoming. I believe it was actually pretty balanced. Maybe it tilted more towards boys but I didn't notice because I was male. Or maybe it tilted more towards women and I didn't notice because I was somewhat effeminate.

Regarding gender identity for boys/men: there was a time when the man's role was clear: he was the bread-earner, the decision maker, it was up to him to run things. That's going away. Some say very quickly, some say very slowly. It's probably a good thing, but it's causing confusion. Which may not be a bad thing. But it's happening. Ideally, we'll stop thinking about what it means to be a man, or what it means to be a women, or a homosexual, or a transsexual, and think about what it means to be human.

As was pointed out in the thread, and the article, the media and society is still feeding us a pretty clear message: that we need to be "tough." (see the work of Jackson Katz). Where does this come from? Is it created by the media to sell things? Is it a capitalist conspiracy to encourage competitiveness? Does it have to with mate selection by females? Is it that (most) men (and some women) are just inherently violent and media and society simply reflect this?

Anyway, it's not "tough" to care about school. If you can do well in school without caring, then maybe you're tough. I think Conlin is right that schools need to find ways to redirect boys. And there needs to be a massive reconsideration of the use of drugs to treat behavioral problems.

But there's also the burden on us, the intelligentsia, as Nematode points out, to weed out the larger social issues that cause inequality and violence.
 
 
knickers
15:25 / 04.07.03
At least part of the problem is that boys do better in courses with a single final exam, girls do better in continually-assessed courses. The move in recent years to more modular/coursework-based courses, which was partly designed to help girls, has had the net effect of disadvantaging boys.
With regard to primary education, I'd go with what gingerpop said: there are now virtually no male teachers in primary schools. Pretty much every teacher I know finds it easier to teach their own sex; I taught for a brief while in a girls' school and found it tricky because I always felt that I couldn't quite understand how their brains were working.
 
 
zarathustra_k
15:48 / 12.07.03
"It just states exactly that: that I feel the traditional role for men in society is being eroded and that, I feel, that erosion is leading to a great deal of frustration as nothing seems to be rising to replace it."


Very true, also many of the working class, no longer have decent jobs with all the factories closing. Add the loss of decent work and the shattering of the notions of masculinity and you get problems. The question becomes what do these men fill this void with? Is it constructive or not.


Do men in the upper class (with semi-secure jobs) feel the same way about what has gone in terms of gender evolution? No


Also I just finished my student teaching (plus college History and Soc.) in an urban poor high school. I think one thing this whole session (which is quite excellent) has overlooked for the most part is class and race and how gender evolution and treatment affects different segments of the populace not just along gender lines.


School observances:
Black men are told to be men, but what is a man? Many of my students live in poverty and are raised by their mothers and grand mothers. Hell, almost half my students don't even show up for class each day, these students are not being socialized in the classroom that’s for sure. The women do seem to have it better, but I do not know by how much. Also the mystic of docile peace loving girls is not true here either. By far, female students when in fights are not to be messed with, humorously they have no "masculine rules of fighting" so anything goes.


Mainly men work at this school. Female teachers are treated much better by the students and can get away with more, such as with pats on the back, basic physical contact, and saying things like honey and sweetie to all the students. Men on the other hand if seen as being to lenient or nice are called "soft-ass niggers (basically someone with out a backbone), gay, and fags." Ahh yes I have heard it all. And of course the administration has no problem with this.


I could go on and on with all my experiences.
It seems that all here have problems with the notion of masculinity or lack of it. What fills the void if there is one is important and different gender groups fill it in different ways.
 
  

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