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Fist Fun
11:41 / 07.10.01
I was in the Contact theatre in Manchester the other day. They have lots of posters up around the walls most them homemade. There was one particular set that celebrated the black community.
Two of them really stood out. One had pictures of black achievers. It had one photo of Martin Luther King and ten photos of sports personalities. Audley Harrison (or perhaps it was Kelis, never can tell the difference), Mike Tyson, Venus Williams...and some others. Another poster had four slogans surrounding a black face. Three were pretty unremarkable..."got to be proud", "got to be strong"...and something else...but the last one was "got to be patriotic."
So both the posters left a bad taste in my mouth. The worst thing is I bet they were made with good intentions.

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Molly Shortcake
14:25 / 07.10.01
'Patriotism' is co-opping anything and everything nowadays. That kind of oversimplistic stuff is almost always equal parts good intentions, misinformation and trite.
 
 
sirius
15:18 / 07.10.01
They left a few out:
The "real McCoy" First automatic oiler made machine age practical. http://www.donegal.k12.pa.us/dms/kif/elijah.htm
black scientists" http://www.tconl.com/~kengpage/b_scient.htm
black Diplomat Ralph Bunche http://www.cr.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc93.htm
The man who taught white folk that tomatoes are not poisionous:
George Washington Carver http://www.princeton.edu/~mcbrown/display/carver.html
Respected Judge and scholar, Thurgood Marshall http://www.ai.mit.edu/~isbell/HFh/black/events_and_people/html/001.thurgood_marshall.html
Secretary of State Colin Powell http://encarta.msn.com/find/Concise.asp?ti=012BB000
Black Redtail Angels http://www.world-wide-net.com/tuskegeeairmen/
How come us honkies know this stuff better than many black folks?
That theatre as example?
 
 
Mordant Carnival
15:43 / 07.10.01
quote:Originally posted by sirius:
How come us honkies know this stuff better than many black folks?


Middle-class guilt?
 
 
Fist Fun
17:28 / 09.10.01
Isn't it terrible that patriotism is widely regarding as a good thing when in fact it is just so bad?

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Sebastain M
18:20 / 09.10.01
.. but it is a GOOD way to control the rabid masses.
To tell the truth, if I hear the term Freedom Loving People again, I think I might just be sick.
 
 
Mordant Carnival
20:02 / 09.10.01
quote:Originally posted by sirius:
"middle class guilt"
Not in my case. How 'bout yourself?


Well, I was being sarky. But probably you're right and I do have a mild-to-moderate case of MCG.

Actually I've always been interested in "black" history- and I kind've don't like the generalization implied here- purely because you don't get told about it. To hear the mainstream tell it, Europeans invented or discovered everything.

I'm studying on a university campus where most of my fellow students are non-white.
3 years back, I was chatting to a collegue on my foundation year who hailed from Sierra Leone, and we were discussing engineering, invention and discovery in general when he suddenly remarked that most of the ideas we'd been discussing in class had a European name attached.

This studious, intelligent young black man actually sat there and said, quite seriously, that he had concluded that the development of technology was evidence that white people were superiour to black (his) people.

There are no words for that moment. I tried to communicate to him that he was wrong, that there was evidence that he was wrong, but at that crucial moment I failed him. I couldn't collect myself enough to make a sensible response. My first impulse was to scream "BOLLOCKS!" at the top of my lungs, which didn't seem terribly constructive.

After that I developed a more immediate fascination with the facts and figures involved. I'm not the most racially or culturally aware person in the world by a long shot, but at least if a situation like that ever arises again I'll be able to come up with reasoned and sensible information.
 
 
sirius
21:32 / 09.10.01
Sorry 'bout the broken link Mea culpa maximus http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/middleground/gladwell2.htm
 
 
Mordant Carnival
21:38 / 09.10.01
quote:Originally posted by sirius:
The only >evidence< being considered was evidence that history had been written mainly by and for europeans and those of european descent.


Pretty much what I told him at the time.
 
 
Fist Fun
10:09 / 10.10.01
quote:Actually I've always been interested in "black" history- and I kind've don't like the generalization implied here- purely because you don't get told about it. To hear the mainstream tell it, Europeans invented or discovered everything.


I don't really like that. I reckon that is similar to patriotism in a way. All this european history and black history and whatever. I don't really get it. It means nothing to me.
I don't care what colour an inventor was. It doesn't matter. To lump people into groups and say look at these achievements...its just the same as the whole patriotism thing. It is part of the problem...and it is often well intentioned.

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sirius
12:22 / 10.10.01
Buk,
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>I don't care what colour an inventor was. It doesn't matter.<
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When the history books have your attitude and tell the whole story without leaving out most non whites, then it will truely not matter.
Until then black youths grow up with a false belief that history was made by whites, technology invented by whites, and their ancestors and relatives nothing but former slaves.
I would like to see the honest truth taught in schools and a real level playing field regardless of color etc.
 
  
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