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The New Pornographers

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
14:05 / 17.06.03
This is the thread in which we all talk about how The New Pornographers are the best power pop band in the world today.

This is the thread in which we talk about how Carl Newman has an ability to jam about a hundred catchy hooks into each song, making them coast from high point to high point with out every hitting a lull.

This is the thread in which we talk about how Neko Case sings her heart out, and how she is a perfect foil for both Carl Newman and Dan Bejar.

This is the thread in which we talk about Destroyer, Zumpano, and Neko Case's country-western projects.

This is the thread in which we talk about how "The Laws Have Changed" is one of the best pop songs of 2003.

Go!
 
 
Ethan Hawke
14:13 / 17.06.03
Q: When will the effects of exposure to "The Laws Have Changed" subside? I was infected late last week, and developed a full blown case this weekend.

Q: What the hell is "Streethawk: A Seduction" about? I've listened to the album once or twice, and I actually like it, a lot, but I'm afraid the concept is really stupid underneath the songs.

Q: Am I crazy because I don't really care that Neko Case isn't on "Electric Version" a lot and that my favorite songs (besides TLHC) on the record don't feature her at all ("Loose Translation" "The End of Medicine" "Testament to Youth in Verse").

Q: Am I the only one who actually likes the "no no no, no no no , no no , no no no" end of that latter song, above? Is it deathly annoying to everyone else?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:18 / 17.06.03
A: The effects of "The Laws Have Changed" will never subside. It is a permanent affliction with no cure.

A: I don't know what the concept of Streethawk: A Seduction is, I haven't paid that much attention to it. I mostly just listen to "The Bad Arts" over and over and over, which is brilliant in and of itself.

A: Neko does sing on every song on The Electric Version, though she's only doing backing vocals on many of the songs. You should feel no shame - this is not the Neko Case show, the New Pornographers is just as much a vehicle for Newman and Bejar as it is for Case. Case is just the big name on the marquee.

A: The "no no no no no" part is sublime.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:38 / 17.06.03
For the uninitiated: you can download mp3s of "The Laws Have Changed" and "The New Face Of Zero And One," as well as stream the entirety of The Electric Version right here.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
15:29 / 17.06.03
No no no no no, it's a well known fact that "The Angel said you bastard" from the front of 'The End Of Medicine' is the most sublime lyric this year. Oh and what's up with all the medicine references in songs? Between this and Elephant we have a fine kettle of mixed metaphor.

But yes, Mass Romantic was an amazing record and this is better. Which should be impossible.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:53 / 18.06.03
They played "The Laws Have Changed" on Late Show with David Letterman tonight!

It was fantastic, and Neko Case looked very beautiful. Carl looked a bit more like Howdy Doody than usual, but he's still more handsome than the bass player by far.
 
 
lolita nation
11:58 / 18.06.03
Q. What's the deal with their lyrics? Scrutable or inscrutable? Something like "The time that your enemy gives you, good times are not the ones you want/I've cried five rivers on the way here, which one will you skate away on?/The tune you'll be humming forever, all the words are replaced and wrong..." I mean, I like it, but sometimes it seems like they wrote a bunch of great individual lines or couplets and then strung them together at random. Anyone else get that feeling? Is that part of why they're so likeable?
 
 
nedrichards is confused
12:55 / 18.06.03
loita nation: The New Pornographers are what Radiohead would be if Thom Yorke prefered Josie and the Pussycats to Autechre. So I would say yes, crucial part of the charm.
 
 
01
15:54 / 18.06.03
This is the thread in which we talk about Destroyer, Zumpano, and Neko Case's country-western projects.

this is the thread that makes me want to shoot myslef in the head, the suicide note explaining the reasoning behind the name of my production company, "This City Is Going To Hell Productions..."

Sorry flux. Are you from Vancouver?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:28 / 18.06.03
No. Almost everyone in this thread, including myself is from New York.

And NYC loves NP!
 
 
lolita nation
18:00 / 18.06.03
Wow, what a shitty name for a production company. My brother had a good one he got from GBV, The Flags We Fly In Our Films. But you can't steal it, though, at least until you find the fun a little.

I also want to say that at first I didn't really like Neko Case as much as the others either, but she's really grown on me.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:10 / 18.06.03
I agree with Lolita. That truly is an awful name for a production company.

Would you really want a name that makes you sound like a cranky old scenester who is allergic to fun?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
19:01 / 18.06.03
You guys are so fucking disdainful. No wonder this city is going to hell.
 
 
lolita nation
21:36 / 18.06.03
Whatever. Back to Connecticut, yuppie!

And since you confessed to liking the "no no no" of "Youth in Verse" I have to admit I get a big fucking power-ballad kick out of the chorus of "July Jones," the part that's all "One of the greats, blah blah, hold on..." - you know? I get all into it. Embarrassing! I declared a moratorium on "Laws Have Changed" so I don't wear it out too soon, & I have to say that I think "Miss Teen Wordpower" and "It's Only Divine Right" are tremendous, awesome songs.
 
 
moriarty
21:42 / 18.06.03
Every three or four months I feel the need to listen to music. Upon Flux' recommendations, I took a listen to some of the New Pornographers' output. I was already familiar with Neko Case's charms from her other projects, but wasn't aware that she was a part of this group. I'm not very "with it".

I have to say, I didn't enjoy any of the songs I listened to, with the exception of Mass Romatic, Letter From An Occupant, and "Your Daddy Don't Know" (that one mainly because it allows me to relive a portion of my youth), all of which I have been listening quite a bit. I can't stand the male singer(s). Chalk it up to my notoriously bad taste.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:09 / 18.06.03
Moriarty, it sounds like you'll at least like "All For Swinging You Around" from the new album (that's a 100% Neko sung song), and she has very prominent vocal parts on "The Laws Have Changed" and "Miss Teen Wordpower."

I bet you'll love "The Laws Have Changed," actually. If you love "Letter From An Occupant" and "Mass Romantic," this is the next song in that progression, if you get me.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:22 / 20.06.03
Are the British even aware of the New Pornographers?

If so, I pity the British.
 
 
Panic
17:22 / 20.06.03
Neko's Furnace Room Lullaby makes me cry.

Big sobbing man-tears full of regret and sorrow.

The NP stuff makes me wish I left my house more and danced about with younger, happier people.

Girls, mostly.

Instead of the sobbing and regret and glaivin.

ahem
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:34 / 20.06.03
Panic, there's "No Need To Cry."

Sorry. I had to.
 
 
nedrichards is confused
21:53 / 20.06.03
Flux, I'm aware of the NP, I can confirm that they have reached the evil that is London. Although to be honest they're not exactly well known.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:07 / 21.06.03
Complete lyrics for The Electric Version online!
 
 
01
19:27 / 21.06.03
You guys are right. "This Thread Is Going To Hell Productions..." has a much better ring to it. Thanks.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:05 / 21.06.03
Too wordy.

Try "No Taste Productions."
 
 
01
01:22 / 24.06.03
Ok I've got it. "Mint Records Sucks and so does Neko Fucking Case Productions..."
 
 
beatorbebeat
05:05 / 08.07.03
Neko Case is the saving grace of coutry... bar none and the New Pornographers (playing july 8th in Toronto Very Cool) are a Vancouver indie supergroup that just may save Vancouver's ass, baring it as the most boring city on the planet... and don't diss Mint Records, nobody can account for you bad taste but yourself.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
16:44 / 14.07.03
I went to see the New Pornographers this weekend, and they played a setlist that I put up on stage for them as a weird joke. They played my setlist, and it fucking ruled. Then they came back and played three encores of audience requests.

That's how much they fucking rule.
 
 
lolita nation
17:55 / 14.07.03
I helped put it on the stage!

...I wish I was as cool as Flux.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:59 / 14.07.03
You're definitely extremely cool, Lolita.

Carl and Neko were directly addressing you during much of the banter - that's pretty damn cool.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
18:19 / 14.07.03
You are both far cooler than me, because he totally excluded me. Damn you Carl Newman!
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:23 / 14.07.03
Don't you dare damn Carl Newman. He played my setlist!

Have you forgotten?
 
 
lolita nation
18:32 / 14.07.03
I did get to hold his hand a little, didn't I?

Carl Newman is a skinny redhead. How HOTT is that?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:36 / 14.07.03
Carl Newman looks like a sexy rock version of Howdy Doody.

The fact that he can pull that off, when it shouldn't even make sense, is a triumph of joycore.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:02 / 14.07.03
The video for "The Laws Have Changed" is available NOW.

It's a very hott video, featuring lots of cute dancers doing a new dance called "The Electric Version." Yes, the New Pornographers have their OWN DANCE NOW.

None of the band actually appear in the video, but it was directed by the keyboard player.

You need to see this video.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:04 / 30.07.03
So the list of music that I need to get this month is huge, and my coffers are shallow, but it was payday yesterday meaning I needed to pick up something. I was very tempted by Dizzee Rascal and the Gossip, but though they're very definitely on the list, they're not what I'm in the mood for right now, and I came very close to deciding to wait for the Outkast and Neptunes releases still to come... and then I saw Electric Version selling on the cheap somewhere. It was only right to buy it - it is, after all, allegedly the record that started a movement (joycore, obviously).

And it's really good. Joycore is the word. It seems like ages since I heard an album of this sort of music that I could actually listen to and enjoy pretty much all the way through (I know it's heresy to some, but I find the Flaming Lips only quite good, not godlike). So many bands try to make power pop which is sunny and breezy (and other adjectives to do with weather), and the music press tells you it's great and it sounds like the Beach Boys and Abbey Road-era Beatles, and when you finally hear it it's just so uninspiring and lazy and fucking dull. This album is not like that. This album is a whole bundle of music-critic cliches being renewed and made true, for once. It's a joyous explosion of harmonies - see?

I think my three immediate favourites are 'Loose Translation', 'It's Only Divine Right' and 'The Laws Have Changed', with the title track lagging in fourth place. All three of those songs have the kind of vocal or guitar hooks that stick in your head so quickly you almost feel as if you've known them for years. I completely agree with what has been said about the classic status of 'The Laws Have Changed'. It puts a spring in my step. I wish I could remember who this song reminded me of, Neko Case singing "all hail" seems really reminiscent of another band, one whom I haven't listened to in ages - but I have no idea who, or if this is just my imagination.

Oh, and in answer to todd: how I feel about that repeated "the bells ring no no no" bit depends on my mood, but it's definitely the first point on the album I felt like skipping to the next track. Although I did like Destroyer's 'The Bad Arts', Dan Bejar's songs are probably my least favourite on the album at the moment, but that may change. I do quite like the fact that his vocals really suit his 'secret member', no-sleeve-photo role though. And I suppose I like 'Chump Change' a fair bit, it's just - I think I have to be in a predisposed mood to like Bejar's stuff, y'know? Whereas something like 'The Laws...' is just going to put you in that mood conveyed by the song every time, I reckon.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
14:40 / 30.07.03
"I wish I could remember who this song reminded me of, Neko Case singing "all hail" seems really reminiscent of another band, one whom I haven't listened to in ages - but I have no idea who, or if this is just my imagination."

Flyboy: I had exactly that same feeling with this song.

Except that I thought it reminded me of an old Delgados song (Under canvas under wraps). But I'm pretty sure that wasn't it (in my mind it was far better). So it might just be my imagination too.
 
  

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