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Jemas Fantastic Four: Worst Revamp Idea Ever?

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
08:52 / 16.06.03
It was just announced that Mark Waid is being fired from the Fantastic Four, and that Marvel's president (and deeply untalented writer) Bill Jemas will be writing the comic, complete with a radical new direction.

Waid explains:

”I wish I'd had a longer run, and I'll admit I was surprised at being so abruptly fired,” Waid told Newsarama. “A few weeks ago, Bill [Jemas] phoned and tried to convince me to jettison our high-adventure approach and everything else we've been doing in favor of making the FF a wacky suburban dramedy where Reed's a nutty professor who creates amazing but impractical inventions, Sue's the office-temp breadwinner, the cranky neighbor is their new "arch-enemy", etc. Editor Tom Brevoort and I discussed that option at length; ultimately, I apologized and explained that I didn't feel it was something I could write nor something that played to any of my strengths--a radical revamp like that was just too much of a departure from what I was originally hired to write. I simply, honestly, couldn't even wrap my head around the idea. Still can't. And when word came back, ‘We'll use that concept somewhere else. Tell Mark to keep doing what he's doing,’ all seemed well.

I haven't read much of Mark Waid's Fantastic Four, but I am familiar enough to get the idea that he was just doing pretty basic tried-and-true Fantastic Four stuff. But this new direction is just such a bad idea, just very ill-advised, especially given how incredibly awful Jemas is as a writer. It also doesn't make much sense - a Fantastic Four movie is set to be released sometime over the next two years, why on earth would you want to stray so far from the core concept of the series when the film will probably stay true to its Lee/Kirby roots?

Who exactly is the target market for this, anyhow? It seems like anyone who would want to buy a Fantastic Four comic in the first place would want the comic to be fairly comfortable and familiar, why change it so radically and make it a joke? And isn't the fact that Reed Richards is a brilliant scientist part of what defines the character and the franchise? Isn't making him a dim "nutty professor" type veering dangerously off course?

Is there any chance for this not to be a horrible failure?
 
 
moriarty
09:16 / 16.06.03
Beat me by two minutes.

Hopefully my take on the situation is different enough to merit a separate discussion. Otherwise, I'll be happy to move my post over to this thread. After all, you have right of first post. By two measly minutes...

There are rumours that there is a good chance the Fantastic Four movie will be along the lines of what Jemas wants to revamp the title into. I have no problem with editorial taking a chance and changing the focus of a title, even if it means alienating existing readers. After all, if Marvel hadn't taken such chances in the past then there wouldn't be New X-Men and X-Statix as we know them. However, it seems weird to do so when the book is finally starting to get buzz again after so many years of neglect, and even more odd to place a complete no-talent like Jemas on the title. They probably could have also dealt with Waid just a bit better. He seemed agreeable to making a compromise.

Of course, we haven't heard Marvel's side of the story yet.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:19 / 16.06.03
I don't think I'd have such a horrible reaction if it weren't Bill Jemas writing the comic, you know what I mean?

Have you ever flipped through a Jemas-penned comic?

Ugh.

I'm shuddering.

I really don't care too much about the Fantastic Four aside from the original Lee/Kirby comics, but it's just so yucky. Yucky is the word for this.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:32 / 16.06.03
I actually just bought the first issue of that Unthinkable storyline at the train station the other day because I've gotten into the habit of buying random superhero comics from newstands as a way of checking out things I wouldn't normally buy and to give some support to comics sold in non-comics shop retail situations. It was pretty solid stuff, I didn't get enough to form an opinion but it was, you know, the Fantastic Four. I got what I paid for, and the Wieringo art was pretty cute. It's a shame that Waid is getting screwed like this, I really like the guy. He's a solid mainstream writer, and he was a great editor at DC. He's the guy who put Grant Morrison on Doom Patrol, he's the guy who was the editor of the Giffen/Bierbaums Legion - he's got my eternal respect for allowing those comics to see print.
 
 
moriarty
09:43 / 16.06.03
I'm moving my post from the duplicate thread to this one so we can centralize the discussion. Thanks.

I realize that most people here (including myself) normally wouldn't blink over something like this, but I find it interesting for a number of reasons.

First off, on both Newsarama and on Comicon, everybody who has responded has been in agreement that this is a very stupid mistake. I have never, ever seen anything like this kind of absolute agreement in fandom.

When I first wrote about this in my blog, I mentioned that while there were many people willing to send stock letters of protest and threatening to boycott the new team on the Fantastic Four, very few people would probably boycott Marvel altogether. While that may seem extreme, odds are that many people quitting the Fantastic Four will just move on to other Marvel titles. Since I wrote that, many self-confessed Marvel Zombies have come forward to say that they will be taking their business elsewhere. This is also very surprising. If this gets organized and snowballs, there's a possibility that most, if not all, of Marvel's output will see a decrease in sales.

Back in the day, when Nu-Marvel was just getting on its feet, I often speculated as to when the bubble would burst. My friends all hated me for it, but I was reminded of when Frank Miller was told to make his work on Daredevil "more Frank Milleresque". The beginnings of Nu-Marvel were built on greater artistic control and a streamlined roster. Since then, Marvel has resumed its old tricks of flooding the market with inferior mini-series, one-shots, gimmicks and side ventures. Also, clashes between editorial and the artists have become more and more frequent, especially due to the pressure from Hollywood.

I'm not making these observations with any kind of malice. I thought that Nu-Marvel did a great job revitalizing their product, and that they're still putting out some great comics. It just seems obvious that if even a big-name creator with a commercially successful book can be replaced on the whim of a self-absorbed publisher who wishes he was Stan Lee, then it's not impossible for the rest of Marvel to come tumbling down.

So, are we seeing the fall of the empire? Or is this just a rut? How safe are your favourite titles? Am I blowing this out of proportion?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
09:55 / 16.06.03
I think that this is symptomatic of some very bad decisions being made by Bill Jemas, and that if Jemas continues to run rampant, he probably will wreck all of Marvel's positive achievements over the past few years.

There's a very interesting post on the Image Message Boards from a person who clearly has a great deal of inside information, and knew about this Waid firing before it went public. Scroll down to Felicia's 6/14/03 05:36 PM entry. It's from a thread about Marvel's Epic line.

In case that post gets deleted, here it is, missing only the final paragraph which suggests alternative companies for aspiring creators to submit work to.

For starters, this whole Epic idea stems from Bill Jemas scheming up the idea that he can undercut his costs by allowing wannabe creators a shot at writing/drawing for much less than a professional would do it for. Consider this: A certain well paid mainstream artist who I won't say by name is currently paid an average of $1000 dollars per page. At 22 pages that comes out to a production cost of $22,000 dollars. Even at a bi-monthly rate, that's alot of wad for a whole year and that is just the artist. On the Epic line, you get (up to) $8000 dollars to distribute within yourselves: artist, writer, inker, colorist, letterer and compositor. Yeah, you may be able to split this labor between 2 of you creative geniuses, but that's still alot less... ALOT less than the cost of producing a book with a pro. A second part to this that benefits Marvel's pockets is that editorial is completely taken out of the equation. The current salary for an editor at Marvel can range anywhere between 30 to 60,000 dollars. This depends on seniority and how many books are being edited per editor that is... work load distribution. If editorial is liquidated, then Jemas and higher ups (Ike, Avi Arad) will have even more money to line their pockets. Also, there will be no need for the Bullpen or anyone in production who assembles the current Marvel lineup and do things like color correcting and compositing since you will be doing this work for them which you agreed to do when you signed that piece of paper that says you HAVE to. In fact, consider this: Within the past 2 months, Marvel has fired more people and more ENTIRE departments from their company than they have in the past 5 years. About 2 months ago, the entire lettering department, except for the head of lettering (Dave Sharpe) was let go. The employees at this company are so fed up with the insecurities of their jobs that some of them are even quitting before hand. Ultimately, Marvel which existed on 3 floors at 10 east 40th street (floors 9, 10, 11) which they pay alot of rent for will be compressed into one floor (floor 10) and then afterwhich will then have every creative element from within expunged and computers for graphic work replaced with computers from accounting and number crunching. You know who is going to help them do that? You are. Every last person that wants to submit an Epic story that will settle for less money and every person that buys from that Epic line (in the event that Epic should be successful).

Sounds crazy right? What you don't think Bill Jemas is crazy like that? Consider this: All of you should find this interesting as this information hasn't been made public yet: Mark Waid, the current writer for Fantastic Four has been fired. Yes, Mark Waid fired from FF. Don't believe me? Give it time to get to your nearest news source. You know who is replacing him? Bill Jemas. Yes, Bill Jemas himself, who has the ego the size of his bloated head believes that Mark Waid was taking the book in a bad direction. FYI: FF was selling more books than it currently had in years. So for those of you saying it's not a big deal, they change writers all the time... but it is. Marvel's editors had struggled very hard to get this book selling back at the top. They even did the 9 cent issue for promotion and lost alot of money doing so. You still don't think Bill is full of himself? The Namor that is being put out by him, well, nothing more than "the Little Mermaid" redone in Namor flavor. What about Sentinel? "A Boy and His Robot." Bill Jemas believes strongly that books will sell in same amounts if they are done by any artist and written by any writer. This is a theory he shares alone, as none of the other editors or Joe Quesada himself support this concept.

Why don't creators leave Marvel if this is true? They don't know yet. Those that do suspect something, well what are they gonna do? They really don't have to go anywhere unless they get fired. They can keep doing what they are doing and working the books they work on. Bill isn't going to tell them to their face that he doesn't want them and they aren't really gonna ask Bill if this is really the deal. And if they do, there is always plausible deniability. Bill can just take them out to lunch, or make Joe do it, and tell them how much they are loved and appreciated. Admittedly, Marvel does need them for now. And, in my belief, they will always need them. Imagine a Marvel without Bendis, Millar or Morrison. Bill Jemas can imagine it... and to him, it is the same successful Marvel it will always be. To it's fans? Well... we'll see. But remember, when you see creators walking out of the company, the power leaves with them, and I believe, as many others within the company, that Bill Jemas will single-handedly take that company down.
 
 
moriarty
10:05 / 16.06.03
Yeah, I read that thread. It was great seeing the incredulous responses from other posters, leading up to her prediction being confirmed.

Like I've said on previous threads, I like a lot of Waid's work. Impulse was amazing and convinces me that if anyone could pull off a "sitcom" Fantastic Four it would be him. He and Ron Garney also did some wonderful work on Captain America. They really nailed the character, and it was nice seeing a writer holding back and letting the artist take the stage with plenty of effective silent passages.

It's too bad that Waid has had such horrible experiences with almost all the companies he's worked with. Cap, Superman, Ruse, and now the Fantastic Four.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
10:14 / 16.06.03
Why do you think that is?

From my understanding of Waid over the years, he seems like a pretty nice guy, and definitely the "team player" type. He seems pretty mature and willing to make compromises.
 
 
LDones
10:55 / 16.06.03
Perhaps the willingness to compromise his vision paints him as a push-over to higher-ups. I really couldn't say.

That post from 'Felicia' is pretty depressing - just sucks the enthusiastic comic-reading kid right of you.

I've never been an FF fan, but I've been picking up his run thus far, and it's been very solid throughout - Mike Weiringo's artwork really compliments the direction Waid was going in, and Howard Porter (of all people) has actually been penciling the next storyline.

Waid really does have a terrible history with these sorts of things, for all of the reasons above - it's like comic book disappointment follows him like a little gremlin. I remember when he, Morrison, and Tom Peyer were the JLA Group editors at DC, and they were on top of the world, even after the DC 1,000,000 sales bummer. Then Morrisson left (promising never to return to comics after the Invisibles), Waid's JLA died out spectuacularly, and Tom Peyer's flawed but really excellent Hourman series disappeared from the planet. There's been nothing but heartache for those two, business-wise, since.

I wonder what Rich Johnston will have to say about all of this tomorrow - hopefully he and his ilk can stir up some shit. Jemas. Man. I suppose this is further evidence that Marvel will simply become a massive Shonen Jump down the line, with similar impact in storytelling. (Not to disparage Shonen Jump, but the stories don't exactly stick - Wide-scale, consumable, disposable, easily repeatable, I think, is my point).
 
 
Yotsuba & Benjamin!
11:03 / 16.06.03
I think Waid has the extraordinarily bad luck of being an incredibly solid comic book writer who's not edgy, has no "indie cred", and whose painted masterpiece wasn't as appealing (just by a hair, mind you) as Kurt Busiek's. He also doesn't have an Astro City, which I'm sure makes Busiek much more beloved in a "Wow, he can really do anything can't he" kind of way. As good as Mark's work is, I just don't think he's reached that LEVEL (whatever it may be) that puts him in an "untouchable" position. Which is sad and ridiculous. This revamp is a ghastly idea, as FF has really turned into one of my favorite books (even though the logo switch was a very very bad idea and now seems like a pretty obvious precursor of what was to come). If Jemas actually read the book, he'd see that Waid puts plenty of those kinds of touches that are the hallmark of any good sitcom (you can't beat Ben throwing a Thing-sized waterballoon onto the Human Torch). Unless Jemas gets someone really extraordinary to draw (and, remembering Origin, actually write) his new book, I can see it being the first comic to sell under 1,000 copies. Either way, I'll certainly not be buying it. Not that that'll make a dent.
 
 
Dan Fish - @Fish1k
14:49 / 16.06.03
I don't think the direction is necessarily a bad thing - By moving the focus away from Super-Heroes, towards a more character driven comedy (which reading between the lines seems like what they are aiming for), they are giving the book a more widely accessible 'hook' that they can market to readers that wouldn't necessarily buy the FF - and lets face it, the sales for this are not what they could be, given the recognisability* of the characters.

However, it remains to be seen if Jemas is the right choice to take over. I wasn't impressed with Marville 1 when I read the dotcomic.

It is a shame Waid had to leave in such circumstances. It would have perhaps been more appropriate to sweeten Waid with special projects, maybe a high profile FF miniseries, before booting him off the regular title.


*not sure if this is a real word
 
 
FinderWolf
14:58 / 16.06.03
SAY IT AIN'T SO!!! I kept reading this and praying I would wake up and it'd be April Fools Day.

This is horrible. Just when Waid was starting to cook on this book. SO lame. Makes me think maybe the New Marvel Renaissance is about to come crashing down and enter the New Marvel Dark Ages.

Jemas' scripting is not very good at all. Waid is a fantastic writer. Oh why oh WHY LORD must shit like this happen?!?!?!?!?!?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:09 / 16.06.03
I think that it may have been better for Jemas to create his own super-powered family comic rather than to warp the concept of the comic that his company was built on.

Or hell, he could have at least used Power Pack instead.
 
 
AlanDavidDoane
15:34 / 16.06.03
Dear Bill,

I was sorry to hear that Marvel has removed Mark Waid as writer of
FANTASTIC FOUR. I'm sure you know what's best, but I was enjoying his
run -- the first time I've liked the book since John Byrne's 1980s run.

Anyway, the point is, I thought you were serious about bringing quality
talent onto your books and keeping them, so I bought every issue of
Waid's FF and was looking forward to years more worth of stories from
him.

I'm hoping you'll issue me a refund for the money I wasted on this
now-aborted run. Please send me your address and I'll get the
now-unwanted issues right out to you. You can send the check for these
comics I was tricked into buying to:

Alan Doane
7 Union #3-B
Glens Falls NY 12801

I hope you will stand behind your belief that it was right to remove
Waid from the title by refunding my wasted cash that I spent on these
books thinking Waid would be trusted to create a quality title. As I
say, it's your company and I am sure you know what you're doing, but
you deceived me into buying these issues and you need to make it right.

I hope to hear from you soon so I can get rid of these useless comics.

Best,

Alan
 
 
FinderWolf
18:19 / 16.06.03
GOD this pisses me off so much!!! Waid is a fine writer and deserves to be ON. THAT. BOOK. He'd made that book something good for the first time in a LOOOONG time.

I don't care if the stupid-ass movie is gonna be a suburban sitcom (which actually would mean the death knell of the FF movie from minute 1)!!!! *sigh*........
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:22 / 16.06.03
It's very unlikely that the film would take the "sitcom" angle, especially since playing it straight with the characters and going for high adventure is the key to the success of the Spider-Man and X-Men films.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:29 / 16.06.03
I've been checking a lot of different comics communities/message boards, and I've yet to see a single person express any kind of positive comments about this Waid/Jemas thing. Most people just seem totally horrified and paranoid.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
18:33 / 16.06.03
isn't this the concept that Grant was pitching for his Ultimate FF?
 
 
The Falcon
19:02 / 16.06.03
Not really - I'm unaware of any pitch whatsoever. And, anyway, Grant is an acclaimed writing talent. Bill Jemas isn't.
 
 
some guy
19:42 / 16.06.03
Flux - if Peyton Reed is still attached to direct then yes, the "sitcom" angle is indeed the current direction for the film.
 
 
MrVertigo
19:43 / 16.06.03
As far as I know, Jemas's version of the FF is *exactly* the version that is due to hit theaters in 2004. Please remember: the director of the film is Peyton Reed, who excels at (or, depending on your taste, "continually attempts") highly stylized comedies. This is the man behind "Bring It On" and the recent "Down With Love." Furthermore, there have been more than a few interviews in which Arad and Jemas have voiced their opinions that the "core concept" of the FF is a soap operatic family comedy with supervillains.

I haven't been reading Waid's run, so I can't comment on it at all.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:07 / 16.06.03
my note to Joe Q via email:

Dear Joe,

Wow, man. Firing Waid from the FF -- Waid, who put the book back on the map after the all-too-brief Loeb/Pacheco run and got people talking about Marvel's First Family again -- that's low. And his replacement will be Jemas??? Jemas, whose Marville was a joke? Jemas, whose Namor seems to be getting not a single strong positive review from the readers, despite the 25 cent opener? Jemas, who hasn't EVER worked without a co-writer on a major book? (and I get the feeling he mostly plots and gives broad strokes as opposed to dialogue and down & dirty writing)

If this is the pitch of the FF movie, Marvel had better shudder in fear and terror. If the FF movie is about a wacky suburban sitcom FF, you'd best be prepared for it to bomb.

You won't be able to appease fans (or improve sales) by saying "It's not fair to judge a book before you read it, wait and see." I understand that concept on not judging something before you see it, believe me I do, but Jemas, who has earned no one's respect as a solo writer and clearly seems to be a much better producer/corporate promoter than a writer, should not be put on a top-level book like FF. You don't take an untested writer and put them on a MAJOR book. Major books are for writers who have worked their way up and earned their reps on smaller-level books. Same for artists.

Losing Waid and Wieringo is a real failure for the New Marvel. This is making a lot of people very unhappy, as I'm sure you know, Joe. Why oh why was this done? A mandate/order from the corporate 'suits' is the only thing I can imagine that would do such a horrible, abrupt, stupid creative move.

Sorry, but this is honestly how I feel. Do you think sales will go up for Jemas' FF? Do you honestly think FF will be talked about by the fans as anything other than an object of scorn and derision? After Waid had made these characters work again? After the 9 cent issue, the numbering back to 500? After Waid just started to really cook on the title and get warmed up with the characters???

Really bad move. NO ONE seems to like this move at all. I'm open minded about TROUBLE, Millar is a proven writer and the art is great. I'm very open to everything you've done so far. But this is just not only a bad creative move, it's just rotten. Remove a terrific writer who put the book back on the map and give the writing job to a corporate suit (even though Bill has had a large and significant hand in the development of the New Marvel, along with yourself, i.e. the development of the Ultimate line and other major projects) who essentially fired the writer?

Wow.

I was dumbfounded when I read this story and keep hoping it's a hoax.

And I haven't even really started on how awful that new direction and new pitch is for the FF! And this after Waid and Breevort bent over backwards to compromise and try to give you what you wanted on FF, finding a way to make that idea work without sacrificing the characters. If this is Peyton Reed's FF, we're headed for a real crash here and a real loss of faith among Marvel's fans.

Otherwise, I like what Marvel's doing and I hope this sort of classless, suicidal creative decision will NOT become the norm at Marvel.

Best,

Tony Wolf
 
 
bio k9
20:12 / 16.06.03
Dear Bill,

Please eat a bullet.

With love,

BioK9
 
 
Simplist
20:40 / 16.06.03
This story is SO exactly the parody that someone familiar with online comic fandom would've written (particularly the Jemas angle) that I just can't help assuming there's at least some degree of spoofing going on here--I strongly suspect this is a huge prank/publicity stunt by Waid, Quesada & Jemas. I say let a day or two pass before buying this one.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:42 / 16.06.03
I can guarantee you 100% that this is true.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:48 / 16.06.03
Unfortunately, the Peyton Reed thing is true too.

And anyone who is going to try to tell you that the Fantastic Four is essentially a "soap operatic family comedy" are people with their own agenda and are willfully ignoring the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby that made them (and Marvel) famous.

The Fantastic Four is a family of explorers. It would be wise for both the film and the comic to focus on the science fiction aspects of the Fantastic Four.
 
 
some guy
20:50 / 16.06.03
Mike Doran is now claiming on the CBIA Forum that this isn't entirely true. I guess more details will come out.

Anyway, why is everyone getting so bent out of shape over this? It's not like anyone actually reads the Fantastic Four...
 
 
some guy
20:52 / 16.06.03
Actually, doing an FF movie in the vein of Down With Love could be absolutely brilliant. I'm not writing Peyton Reed off just yet.
 
 
moriarty
20:56 / 16.06.03
When I said that we haven't heard the other side of the story, I should have elaboarted more. There is a good chance that Waid, who is the only one that I know of who has mentioned Jemas taking over the title, was misinformed, deliberately or not. After all this fuss, it wouldn't be hard for Jemas to turn around and say that he had no intention of taking over the title, thereby putting the blame for the commotion on Waid. Who knows?

So far as the sitcom style Fantastic Four goes, like I said previously, if the same outrage at change had been applied to New X-Men or X-Force you wouldn't be reading those titles today. I like Peyton Reed's movies, and I would personally have no problem watching something like this. One poster on another message board pointed out that the reason this change came up so abruptly is because they're setting the title up to be as close to the movie (tentative release date of November of next year) as possible, which really isn't a bad idea. Even though that release date seems unlikely due to the current lack of a script and the amount of SFX that will be required, I can't help but think that they're speeding it through to coincide with the very similar The Incredibles by Pixar.
 
 
Simplist
21:11 / 16.06.03
Quesada's now issued a statement denying pretty much the entire story aside from Waid's firing: http://www.newsarama.com/Marvels_FFresp.htm
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:19 / 16.06.03
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Jack Fear
22:02 / 16.06.03
Dear Internet Fan Writing Self-Important Open Letters,

Ain't nobody owes you nuthin'. You pays your money and you takes your chance, and the Managment abdicates all responsibility for whther or not you're havin' a good time.

Yours for a more mature critical discourse,

J. Fear
 
 
Jack Fear
22:09 / 16.06.03
And anyway, you are all aware that the only reason Marvel publishes THE FANTASTIC FOUR is to maintain control of the trademark, so they can market the ancillary rights in order to relieve themselves of their crushing corporate debt, right?

The Marvel Universe is like THE FILTH's Paperverse: it's a concept farm, maintained (at a loss) for the sole purpose of growing and harvesting ideas for application in more profitable arenas. The sideways lives on the page don't matter, inthe grand scheme—what matters is the Atom-Avenger's thermovolver, real and on sale at Wal-Mart for $8.95.
 
 
some guy
22:59 / 16.06.03
Let's put this Internet bugbear to rest - Marvel does not have "crushing debt." In fact its debt level is quite low for a public company. The only people who rail about how Marvel is a slave to debt (ie: Dirk Deppey) are those who clearly aren't familiar with the corporate business world.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
23:58 / 16.06.03
Yo, ever since y'all heard 'bout waid gettin fired,
you been dissn on Jemas, and man it's gettin tired,
Bill Jemas writes comics like Allan Moore has a big beard,
You ain't down with his style, then you straight up weird,
His writing is vivid, and full of imagination,
Better than Yogi Bear havin wet dreams during hibernation,
So Mark, chill out, go kiss Gail Simone,
Cuz Bill Jemas is the new king, sittin on the throne.
WORD
 
  

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