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Cyberactivism tactics

 
 
Naked Flame
08:09 / 24.09.01
Following on from last night's Yahoo chat antics, I wanted to open a discussion on the business of cyberactivism. Does it help? If not, why not? if so, how does it help? What tactics are effective? What are the pitfalls? How can we be better at it?

My 2 cents: I think the biggest problem we had last night was the sheer quantity of disinformation out there. It's very difficult to win an argument versus abuse and blind belief in chinese-whisper media concoctions. Therefore I'd suggest that it might be more effective to adopt a strategy of informing rather than confronting. Paste links of relevant articles, or paste quotes... don't argue against the extremists, ask them to explain themselves... cos when you do they usually dig themselves enough of a hole to bury their own arguments.

thoughts?
 
 
Ganesh
10:39 / 24.09.01
In the Yahoo chatroom I visited (which was billed as being specific to discussion of 'America's tragedy'), the level of debate barely rose to the levels of 'disinformation'. Individuals didn't so much make coherent points as repeat things like 'BOMB AL ISLAM BASTARDS!!!' and 'KILL AFGNISTAN!!!'. Either that, or they ignored the argument altogether: 'THIS IS BORING NE1 WANNA HEAR ME CUM???' When faced with people for whom lower-case was an undiscovered country, the prospect of engaging in meaningful discussion seemed remote in the extreme.

Perhaps scattering URL links is the way to go - or maybe we just need to find some more intelligent chatrooms.
 
 
Naked Flame
11:40 / 24.09.01
Scary as it is, sooner or later you have to win over the caps-happy ranters.

sounds like that incarnation of the room sucked, too... next time PM one of us and we can pull you into whatever action we've found.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
12:54 / 24.09.01
Yeah, totally with you there. And it's true- the people who most need to hear us are the ones who just ain't listening. Next time (and there HAS to be a next time) we develop a coherent stratgey between us first- it kinda started happening after a while last night which was cool. But think how much cooler it'd've been if we'd had it to start with. As for whether it achieves anything- still not sure, but I dislike the idea that these people can pour their hatred out unchallenged.
Me gotta sleep now. Working tonight.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
15:13 / 24.09.01
yeah. it was frustrating at the time, but i'm already nostalgic...

one thing i thought was interesting was the way the mood of the room fluctuated. i genuinely believe at some points the tide turned in our favour. i saw a couple of instances of - uh, let's call'em 'floaters' - wavering, questioning themselves. having been in a couple of rooms where i was the one and only peacenik present, earlier in the week, i saw just how persuasive peer pressure and pure repetition can be.

alone, i was nothing but a scapegoat, a sympathizer - the focus for every right-thinkin' american to lay into. when there was a whole faction...people didn't have as much leverage to get personal.

plus, at any one time, we could shift roles to better complement each other. there were some points where i'd realised i'd gotten out of the loop. so i came back with a couple of righteous, repeated slogans in ALLCAPS. 'JUSTICE, NOT REVENGE'; 'SUPPORT THE UN'; 'NO MORE INNOCENT DEAD' etc. meanwhile flame, stoatie or johnny might be having a one-on-one dialogue with someone. lolita was excellent to have along 'cause she's an american in NY.

my suggested tactics:
1. have a word document or URL waiting in another window so you can cut + paste relevant quotes, facts, stats etc.
2. in the same doc - web addresses. best to use these more sparingly, i think - but if anyone wants to source our arguments, it's good to be able to refer them.
3. the thinking-on-yr-feet stuff. we have to remember that the best way to persuade people is by establishing a dialogue. different folks call for - well, y'know.

...for example - last nite there was a 'USAFwife' or something. also, a (young) girl whose dad was a marine. with both i abandoned rhetoric in exchange for actually trying to connect with them as people. i repeated again and again (there were combat vets there too) that our beef wasn't with the soldiers but the leaders.

it might be worth opening up a 'peacenik info' thread to dump a long list of facts and stats. we should all go gather some persuasive numbers. last nite i fucked up by making bold allegations about US economic policy that i had zero corroborating evidence for. and i got shot down for it.

ok: so how do people feel about this thread for tactical discussion - the 'peacenik info' thread for...uh, what are you? a goldfish? and the thread i'm about to start for the proposed 'nexxt level'...?

peeeeeeeaaace.
 
  
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