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The masses crying out for DISCIPLINE!

18:16 / 23.09.01

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/4326804

OK, OK, I realise it's the News of the Screws, but jeeeeez. 75% of this lot want me to carry a sample of my DNA on a card. Talk about redundancy- I regularly carry *all* my DNA with me.

Check this:

quote: Former Tory Home Secretary Michael Howard's plans for a voluntary ID card were scrapped after pressure from civil liberties groups.

But our poll reveals opposition has crumbled. Just 22 per cent believed ID cards infringed a person's freedom.

But there is also an overwhelming call for the cards to be packed with information to clearly identify the holder.

These include photograph (97 per cent), date of birth (96 per cent) eye colour (92 per cent), a finger print (85 per cent), DNA details (75 per cent), criminal records (74 per cent) and religion (67 per cent). Last night a senior Home Office source said: "Cards are something being seriously considered.

Religion???

what the hell do I put? I don't think they got a box for Wayward Taoist.

03:26 / 24.09.01

How about Discordian Fundamentalist?

Then again, one might question the relevancy of one's religion when it comes to their security risk. What if I change my religion? Do I need to pay an extra surcharge to have my card altered?

08:49 / 24.09.01

even if the cards contain a DNA print or an iris scan, how many policemen will carry a DNA reader? or an iris scanner?

08:56 / 24.09.01

shit! i was one of those who put 'jedi' as my religion on the census form.....

12:45 / 24.09.01

eye colour? what about if you wear coloured contacts? do you get accused of being fraudulent?

Regrettable Juvenilia

13:46 / 24.09.01

Oh goodee, more measures, I never really wanted those civil liberties anyway...

quote:It is expected that the new anti-terrorism powers will include a specific measure to give police the power to arrest those thought to have knowledge about terrorism for the sole purpose of questioning them. This was considered two years ago in the wake of the Omagh bombing, but ruled out because it conflicted with human rights protections.

Other measures include

• The right to monitor email;

• The admission as court evidence of transcripts of telephone conversations bugged by MI5;

• Rules to compel banks to release confidential details of accounts and transactions of suspected terrorist financiers;

• A fast-track extradition system based on a common "euro arrest warrant";

• The scrapping of some of the appeal rights of people refused entry to Britain.

14:11 / 24.09.01

I imagine similar measures are being taken here in Canada. And though I'm opposed to such legislation, a part of me is very excited. The laws just keep getting more oppressive while I remain the same, thereby making me a criminal. And there's nothing I love more than being a unintentional criminal. Christ, I hope they're monitoring this right now, just to give them a clue of the chaos this will spawn.

Bring it on, motherfuckers. This is a big country and I am very resourceful.

14:55 / 24.09.01

in fact, wouldn't it be much more simple to figure out exactly who isn't breaking the law on at least a semi regular basis and then lock them all up for their own safety? Think of the budget savings.

16:27 / 24.09.01

quote:give police the power to arrest those thought to have knowledge about terrorism for the sole purpose of questioning them

in the wake of sept 11, the only people without any knowledge of terrorism whatsoever are bound to be hermits who live in caves, or ancient tribes who live in the rainforests. isn't there already a problem with prison overcrowding?

sirius

09:27 / 05.10.01

There goes my plans to move to Canada, Britian or Australia while the USA becomes a right wing police state.
MI5 need not bug your phones. The long distance network and the digital switching were designed by AT&T/IT&T with grant money from our National Security Agency.
The ability to moniter and record was built in.
Echelon is merely the computer programme that uses voice recognition to trip the
auto-record when you use the wrong word during a conversation.
Carnivore does the same on the internet (like right now) because I used their code names.
An ID has been required for years already. The inclusion of DNA coding helps spot false ID's. My police issued ID thirty years ago had my thunbprint below the picture.
My US driver's ID carries a bar code, and our cops carry code readers and computers in their cars.
We're all in the same boat it seems and it is sinking.
Perhaps Belize or Guatemala.
They were once Commonwealth.
Cheer up it seems to go in cycles.
The Russian people have nothing but freedom at present.

The Return Of Rothkoid

09:27 / 05.10.01

quote:Originally posted by Kooky is Eeevil:
eye colour? what about if you wear coloured contacts? do you get accused of being fraudulent?From Iridian Technologies, Inc's media FAQ page: quote:Does Iris Identification work with glasses and/or contact lenses?

System performance depends on acquiring a good image of the iris structure. Contact lenses and glasses do not obscure the iris so the system is able to perform through them . Colored contacts do not affect the recognition process either. These guys hold the patent, both in the US and internationally, for this process, so I guess it's fairly certain that it'd be one of their scanners you'd be up against.

Apparently, BT is already using this technology. Anyone here work for 'em, and come across it?

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

10:12 / 05.10.01

quote:Originally posted by shortfatdyke:
shit! i was one of those who put 'jedi' as my religion on the census form.....

'salright... they can check for midichlorians.
I never handed in my census form 'cos I filled it in when I was drunk and it was only the next day I remembered I'd filled in an entire page on my dog (what's your job? stopping people nicking the video...) who was also, of course, a Jedi.

Yeah, the whole ID card thing sounds a bit- "sir, your papers please"- and quite apart from the civil liberties angle, the practicality is just nonexistent- I lose stuff on a regular basis. Everyone loses stuff or has their wallet nicked from time to time. "Sorry, officer, I got mugged a while back, guess if you boys had brought the fucker in like you're supposed to you'd have all my details right there..."
Sorry to sound flippant, I am (I think) actually making a good point- it's just this whole situation can either be seen as laughable (and thus changeable) or downright terrifying, in which case I'll hide under my duvet and do nothing.

22:17 / 06.10.01

Jedis...

Check the bottom of
page 18, with code 896:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/section5part3.pdf

Yes, it did work after all.

20:49 / 08.10.01

"Four out of five Canadians are willing to provide their fingerprints for a new permanent security card that would be carried at all times and shown to police on request, a Globe and Mail/CTV/Ipsos-Reid poll indicates."

I'm not usually quick to anger. But now that I've just been stabbed in the back by my own, I'd just like to say that if anyone tries to check my ID while I'm just walking down the street, they're going to be carrying their teeth home in a brown paper bag.

17:12 / 14.10.01

In my youth I was somewhat dishonest, and fairly deeply involved in drugs stuff as well, and always carried ID around with me, choosing the identity I could be identified in to suit the occasion.

Getting a spare driving licence in particular was always very useful. I suppose the current technology means only the really dangerous or successful criminal will be able to get hold of effective false ID. I feel so much safer.

Oh; but wasn't Throbbing Gristles 'Discipline'a very fine song.

[ 14-10-2001: Message edited by: Luke Wing ]

tom-karika nukes it from orbit

21:04 / 14.10.01

I don't even see that ID cards could necessarily help. I have seen this situation written somewhere:
A policeman told to be on the lookout for terrorists comes across three men, and asks them for their ID cards:
One is a law abiding citizen of Britain of Arab descent, who has left his ID card at home.
The next is a known criminal with a real ID card. Finally, the last man is an international terrorist on his way to the airport to hijack a plane. He is carrying a good forgery of an ID card, which would be readily available to but on the black market.
(It is technically impossible to make an unforgeable object. The only barrier is cost.)

The policeman can only arrest one man. Who does he arrest?

Pin

21:28 / 14.10.01

How easy would these things be to forge though?

We're The Great Old Ones Now

10:15 / 15.10.01

Rule of thumb: what can be built can be cracked.

11:40 / 15.10.01

quote: The policeman can only arrest one man. Who does he arrest?

He calls for backup and arrests all three.

13:09 / 15.10.01

In NYC the cop would probably shoot them all and get away with it. Why waste time?

14:39 / 15.10.01

quote: • The right to monitor email;

• The admission as court evidence of transcripts of telephone conversations bugged by MI5;

• Rules to compel banks to release confidential details of accounts and transactions of suspected terrorist financiers;

• A fast-track extradition system based on a common "euro arrest warrant";

Haven't these been in place for some time now?
Emails have always been monitored. By private companies and government.

The bugging of telephones is admissable as evidence, with the ruling of the trial judge in specific cases, including terrorism.

Banking details have always been easily accessible for investigative authorities. Particularly on the grounds of prevention of terrorism or frauds (money laundering, etc).

And Europe has always had a 'Euro-Warrant' style extradition between the member states.

These potential breaches of human rights have always been there.