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The Importance of Being Morrissey

 
 
Never or Now!
22:09 / 08.06.03
Hmm. I'm not sure. He kinda reminds me of Eminem, in that he seems to be an idiot who happens to be extremely fucking talented. All of the interview/documentary bits are just urrrrrrrrr. All of the song/concert clips are just so Wow.
 
 
Ganesh
22:23 / 08.06.03
He's anything but an idiot...
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
22:33 / 08.06.03
Well, that was just great. And you know, I don't really have anything else I'd like to add to that. Good.
 
 
arcboi
22:39 / 08.06.03
It was longer than you expected and yet seemed to fly by... A very interesting insight into 21st Century Moz which seemed to cover all bases although I was surprised that the court case was glossed over so quickly. I was under the impression that Morrissey has mellowed somewhat over the years and he seemed a lot more open, yet that engimatic something has still been preserved.

If I had any issues with the programme it could probably be wrapped up into two points: 1) November Spawned A Monster is a rotten song, so enough of that please 2) Bono: Why?

Now all we need is a new album - there just wasn't enough teasers in that show IMHO
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:29 / 08.06.03
I take it this thread is for talking about the documentary itself, and we can use the one that's gone all Moz-shaped in the Music forum to discuss the man and his music?

I think it did a very good job of what these documentaries tend to be aiming for (unless they're complete character assassinations): it made him seem ultimately endearing without appearing to gloss over the things that make him infuriating, tiresome, etc (eating meat is morally equivalent to child abuse now, eh Stephen?). And it had a pretty good selection of talking heads (Will Self is always better when he's talking about something he has an actual interest in or knowledge of; Miranda Sawyer is always good value; even the Potter-spawner was okay; Noel however needs euthanasia).

The concert footage was something of a revelation, and something you're not going to see anywhere else. Some great little moments: "All I said was 'bring me the head of Elton John...'" being my favourite.

And a great choice of closing tune...
 
 
Ganesh
23:29 / 08.06.03
I loved it. It felt luxurious somehow, to indulge in that much unashamed Mozzery. Yes, it was affectionate/uncritical to a fault, but it didn't seem short on analysis - if nothing startlingly new. The 'portrait' bits seemed to indicate a somewhat happier, more mellow Morrissey, and the 'talking heads' were a notch or two classier than is usual for this sort of documentary (lugubrious old Will Self, in particular, impressed me). In many ways, it was a lighter, fluffier companion piece to the recent 'Word' interview.

One thing I did detect (and which surprised me a little) was a slight bias in favour of, for want of a better term, heteronormativity - not in the explicit discussion of Morrissey's (powerfully homoerotic) sexual charisma, but in the contrived-looking LA girlie bar scenes and particularly in the footage of stage invasions at his concerts. Anyone who's been to a Morrissey gig will confirm that the male:female ratio of emotionally overwhelmed fans struggling to be near La Moz is around 10:1. Why, then, were we shown rather unrepresentative scenes of predominantly female ecstatics? It made me wonder whether 'The Importance of Being Morrissey' had been produced with one eye to repackaging him for newer, possibly less 'outsidery' audiences...

The 'behind the scenes' bit before last September's Royal Albert Hall gig brought back extremely pleasant memories of seeing him there with (absent friend) Bengali.

Favourite bits included the gobbet of bitchery about Elton John's head on a plate being the one time "meat wouldn't be murder", the self-styling of The Quiff and Alan Bennett's rather plangent Jimmy Clitheroe anecdote. Wondered about James O'Brien, the distinctly Mozular 'friend'... and wondered what became of Jake the Skinhead, Morrissey's last 'friend' (on the payroll).

All in all, it was nice to see Morrissey apparently happier and more relaxed than he's been before (if just as flawed in terms of his inability to 'do' human relationships). Best thing, though, was hearing all the songs again - even 'November'. Especially 'November'.

As far as new albums go, the 'Word' interview (which is probably more up-to-date than the TV documentary) claims he's "three dotted i's away" from signing a record deal with the Sanctuary Music Group, and he's starting to record the new album, 'Irish Blood, English Heart' this summer...
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:42 / 08.06.03
Why, then, were we shown rather unrepresentative scenes of predominantly female ecstatics?

Ah, but we were *told* by Miranda Sawyer that it's mostly men who hurl themselves at him - I did notice that this didn't seem to be what was being *shown*, though.

Another thing I wanted to add: I think the doc did a very good job of demonstrating that he *is* an icon, that he does warrant that kind of semi-mythical status. Not sure I'd go so far as those who think he's *uniquely* an icon (there's one along every minute in pop), but that's another matter...
 
 
Ganesh
23:52 / 08.06.03
We were actually told by the man himself that the majority of stage-invaders were male (something about it being unlike any other "heterosexual archetype" he's encountered) and Will Self rather incisively describing Morrissey as appealing to "the homosexual part of every heterosexual". My beef's more with the skewed visuals.

According to 'Word', there's gonna be an odd compilation-type thang along shortly, 'Under The Influence', which collects a load of Morrissey's favourite songs - some predictable stuff like Sparks, The New York Dolls, T Rex, but also the likes of, erm, Diana Dors.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
23:57 / 08.06.03
Ganesh, just so you know:

"MORRISSEY SIGNS TO SANCTUARY RECORDS

Sanctuary Records Group and Morrissey have announced that they have resurrected the Attack label to release the forthcoming new album by Morrissey.

The label will be distributed via BMG in the US, Pinnacle in the UK and Sanctuary Records Group's various distribution partners in the rest of the world. The deal was signed on the 20th of May and Morrissey will begin recording his first album since 1997's Maladjusted immediately.

The Attack label - part of the legendary Trojan Records family - released records by The Pioneers, Gregory Isaacs, The Upsetters, Big Youth and I Roy amongst many others between 1969 and 1980.

The Sanctuary Group Inc Chief Executive Officer Merck Mercuriadis commented, "Morrissey is one of the most important artists of the last 20 years and we are delighted that he has given us the opportunity to lead the charge on this significant next phase of his career with a deal that is as innovative as his music. Early on in our discussions Morrissey proved himself to be a connoisseur of our Trojan Records catalogue and expressed an interest in using the Attack label for the release of his records much as he did the HMV label when he was with EMI. We are very pleased to accommodate and hope that he will also find new artists to release on Attack. Attack Records will be a reflection of his creative vision and his exclusive domain. "
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
00:01 / 09.06.03
And also; that "Under the Influence" thing is out. I considered purchase before realising I probably have most of the songs it contains, but I hear it's good. Good.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:04 / 09.06.03
Suedehead: interesting. I'd heard the Sanctuary thing rumoured a couple of months ago but didn't know that it'd actually been inked.

Did anyone tape it/can do me a copy? UK system is fine, down here in the netherworld.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
01:07 / 09.06.03
So would this be a good introduction to Morrisey? Is there any inside stuff that will fly over the non Morrisey fan's heads? And what's the format? An overview of his career, or life, or both?
 
 
Cherry Bomb
07:43 / 09.06.03
*sigh*

THOROUGHLY enjoyed that. Favorite bit other than "Bring Me the Head of Elton John" was the clip of David Bowie looking totally obnoxious and Morrissey dismissing him as an important artist in 1971, 72 "but now?" No.."

Bono was pretty annoying - I kept wondering how did *HE* get invited to this?

Also 'Nesh I thought they did have clips of males rushing the stage at one point... on the other hand I think I need my glasses when I watch TV sometimes. Also I thought Morrissey looked utterly uncomfortable at that strip club - at the very least it surely didn't look like he was enjoying himself.
 
 
Ganesh
08:34 / 09.06.03
Oh yeah, they did show at least some footage of males rushing the stage during (I think) one of Morrissey's US gigs. There was a disproportionate visual emphasis on the female stage-divers, though, and it seemed to me that whoever compiled the clips must've done a fair bit of trawling - which made me wonder why.
 
 
Smoothly
09:33 / 09.06.03
I took the strip-club stuff, the female stage invaders to be an attempt to balance out the 'homonormativity' of traditional Mozology. That the love of his hetero male fan-base borders on the sexual is such a standard, that I thought it was reasonable to show that it's not only men who will launch themselves at the stage in a desparate bid to kiss the Pope's ring. That women might fancy Moz and Moz might fancy women, struck me as a point worth making.

My favourite lines were without doubt "I wish nothing but bad things for Joyce....for the rest of his life", and his reply to the fan who thanked him for all the pleasure he had given her over the years: "I didn't mean to."

I grinned from ear to ear throughout the whole thing.
 
 
Cat Chant
09:19 / 11.06.03
(1) Rothkoid, I taped it expressly to bring to the netherworld but can do you a copy and send it over in advance. Might take me a little while to get round to it, but. PM me your address if no-one else has offered.

(2) What Smoothly said, basically. I know I am usually clamorously squicked by the imperialism of representations of m/f desire, but in this case I kind of liked it: the female fan they interviewed early on looked like a butch lesbian to my admittedly biassed eyes, which already started to render Moz's particular involvement in m/f along non-traditional lines. And the deliciousness of Moz is partly that he isn't gay in any simple way: I think showing him in the strip club watching the laydeez helped to complicate the ways his sexuality circulates in the world, rather than going "Oh, well, if he won't deny it then he must be gay" and being comforted by the thought that now we've managed to confine him to a straightforward category. I like the way homosexuality and heterosexuality start contaminating each other in the figure of Moz, and the way that no identity category is ever brought in to unify, back up and legitimate his expressions of desire and sexuality. (I recently started identifying as "Morrisseysexual", which is fun.)

Nice to be reminded of what a wonderfully evil little bastard he is, as well (the line about Joyce was fab), but I think my favourite line was the uncharacteristically philanthropic "Not everyone is absolutely stupid".

Would have liked to see more on the racism allegations, though: I haven't heard the two infamous songs and don't know much of the history, though I suppose it would have been a bit pointless to rake it all up again now.

I'm fascinated also by, firstly, the way this boy who I have always thought of as singing, basically, about specifically white British experience (though not in a Fascist way) has been taken up with such adoration by the Latino population of California and, secondly, the way I am (and I think, from the tone of the doco, a lot of other people are) baffled and fascinated by that. What's going on there? Why does it seem so counterintuitive that Moz would have a Latino following? (My complete ignorance of Californian Latino culture probably has something to do with this, I will admit.) What sorts of racial (not racist) fantasies are circulating in, emitted by, and/or projected onto Moz?
 
 
gertrude
16:02 / 20.06.03
From the outset this doc made me hug myself with glee, a lump of sweet remembrance rising in my throat…ok it gave us an insight into what a bitch Morrissey is and his mature years in L.A. but for the concert footage alone I adored it. It was worth it to recall the heady days of yearning & youthful romanticism wrapped up in a true respect for the music and his exquisite lyrics … for me it brought back the sweetest memories and was worth staying up way passed my bedtime for!
 
  
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