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Racism in football: Becks speaks out

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
18:15 / 06.06.03
"Racism, violence, and definitely people jumping onto the pitch has got to be put out of our game."

You have to love the England captain. He tries his best to deal with the issues as he sees them.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:28 / 06.06.03
He does. And more strength to his right calf muscle, say I. Your tone is rather dismissive, Nick, which entirely fits the popular perception of him as a dullard. He's a footballer and not a social scientist, so I guess he would have trouble with the language and choice of "sticky" slogan but he could certainly afford some advice from some skilled advertising men.

I would rather commend him for trying to do a valuable thing here. I think much of the racism that comes from the terraces is unthinking and he may be able to use his star status to promote a little more thought about the issue. He's not feeding into that and public expressions of combative xenophobia are sufficiently ingrained in footie fan culture that some inventive approaches are warranted to begin to shift the paradigm.

But I am partial to the boy, so may be more forgiving than some.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
18:38 / 06.06.03
He puts a point across with his limited vocal abilities. Beckham finds public speaking difficult, that's quite clear from his response to interviewers, but give him something for trying. Football is his job and the most important thing for him is what happens on the pitch so people invading the space is always going to be the worst crime to him.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:14 / 06.06.03
And the other thing, of course, is that he is talking about the very specific problem of pitch invasions, which is what might prevent England being allowed to travel to international events.

So, Becksy is saying that racism must be put out of football, and that violence must be put out of football, and that people jumping onto the pitch must be put out of football. Now, if one wrongly believed definitely to be merely an intensitive, a means of bringing forward the third part of the triad as the most important, his declaration would be open to mockery.

However, the primary meaning of definite is "clearly defined, with clear limits" - definitely to mean "certainly, very much" is a misuse that has gained legitimacy over time. But our Becksy is a linguistic purist.

So, he is saying that the general elements of racism and violence must be put out of football. But, specifically, the tightly defined process of pitch invasion must also be put out of football.

He's a clever boy, Becksy.
 
 
sTe
23:42 / 06.06.03
and especially people on the pitch falling over and rolling around like they've been knifed when really they've just niftily jumped over someone's outstretched boot in a Private Ryan manner (not that no-ome else does mind you - still I've seen it lately on the under 12's pitch and it's not reallt in "the spirit of the game" if you know what I mean).

Apologies for changing the subject somewhat, I am glad that the England fans at Leicster managed not boo the national anthem of the opposition but sadly I can't see it lasting to the next game.
 
 
Ganesh
04:56 / 07.06.03
As the UK's most famous black man, I'd say he knows what he's talking about.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:56 / 07.06.03
I've actually given up taking the piss out of Beckham. For many reasons-
a) he seems like a decent enough guy
b) there's not really a crime in being stupid
c) okay, so he's got shitloads of money and I'm envious, but he's got it from being good at something he loves and making a lot of people happy, so I can't really begrudge him that
d) he has to put up with that harridan
and, of course,
e) there's no real challenge to it.

That and the fact that I know sweet FA (see what I did there? eh? eh?) about football, so any Beckham piss-taking session always reaches a point where it goes over my head totally.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:46 / 07.06.03
Hey, listen, all credit to him for coming down firmly against racism and doing it loudly, clearly, and in public. It was just that pitch invasions (in context a linked issue) were clearly really bugging him, and he just sort of tacked them on the end there as another bad thing people really, really needed to stop doing.

And Haus, whilst I accept his mastery of the football field, and his tactical acumen, the notion that Becks is a High Priest of English of a like unseen since W.C. Minor taxes my imagination somewhat.
 
 
Sax
17:51 / 07.06.03
Nick's right. It was Victoria what told him what to say.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:47 / 07.06.03
Seems to me that "Racism, violence, and definitely people jumping onto the pitch" are all symptoms of (mostly) men in crowds behaving disinhibitedly in a primitive, quasi-tribal way, so I can see the connection in Beckham's head without having to stretch my imagination much at all.

Shame there's nobody up in Scotland of his calibre trying to tackle the pernicious and persistent religious bigotry that dogs the Old Firm games there.
 
 
Fist Fun
22:04 / 07.06.03
That is a bit harsh. He's right.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:29 / 07.06.03
Nick, dude, I *know* you don;t have much respect for Baliol, but his English degree still involved at least a modicum of study. And he was using "definitely" correctly, by accident or design.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
23:44 / 08.06.03
This is "Justin Timberlake on his gay fanbase" all over again, isn't it?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
09:54 / 09.06.03
Nick, dude, I *know* you don;t have much respect for Baliol, but his English degree still involved at least a modicum of study.

David Beckham is the Crown Prince of Hell?

Beliol went to Oxford?

A fairer person lost not Heaven; he seemed
For dignity composed and high exploit:
But all was false and hollow; though his tongue
Dropped manna, and could make the worse appear
The better reason, to perplex and dash
Maturest counsels: for his thoughts were low;
To vice industrious, but to noble deeds
Timorous and slothful.
(Milton)

Weird. He's changed, man.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:19 / 09.06.03
That's *Belial*, you big silly.
 
 
Quantum
10:26 / 09.06.03
Who's the better speaker, Becks or Bush? I am torn...
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:39 / 09.06.03
One Becks in my hand is worth two from the Bush
 
 
Hugh_DeMann
16:59 / 09.06.03
b) there's not really a crime in being stupid - to quote Maominstoat

exactly right. he may be stupid but no-one says, oooh that Stephen Hawking he's shite at football. Do they?

If the overpaid blow-dryed ponces of today when they scored a goal, just raised their index finger (a la Dennis Law, George Best and myself) to acknowledge the fact that that is what they are paid to do and then went back to kick off and got on with the game, pitch invasions of the kind seen against Turkey recently can be stopped.

Instead, every outfield player feels the need to swamp the scorer of the fabulous tap-in from 3 yards, over by the corner flag, thus encouraging the numb-nutted minority that attend such matches the opportunity to get involved in such a monumental achievement. The fact that said goalscorer also has some humourous message written on his vest is equally disturbing. RUN AROUND A BIT MORE MATE, YOU WON'T NEED A POXY VEST!

Bring back fences and get the corporate tossers out of their boxes to make space for real football fans.
 
  
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