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Smiths special in NME

 
 
Sax
10:34 / 04.06.03
Run, don't walk, to your newsagents and buy the new NME out today.

Remove plastic bag covering the magazine.

Throw NME into a bin.

Keep 20th anniversary souvenir supplement devoted to THE SMITHS.

It's pretty shite, but it's the Smiths, innit.
 
 
Ganesh
11:11 / 04.06.03
Mmmm...

Did you see the Morrissey interview in this month's 'Word'?
 
 
Sax
11:38 / 04.06.03
Not yet, but saw it on the stands today.

Did you know there's a lovely big juicy Morrissey TV interview on either BBC3 or BBC4 next Sunday?

Double mmmm.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:12 / 04.06.03
There was a Morrisey interview in the Guide on Saturday which claimed that he'd accurately predicted in 1987 or thereabouts that the death of pop music would occur in a couple of years time. It also claimed that Morrisey had been hugely "ill-treated" by the UK (shorthand for the UK music press? record buyers? the whole nation? who knows...).

What a ****** inspiring **** of ******* *****.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
15:20 / 04.06.03
Sax. Sunday. Channel 4. The Importance of being Morrissey, I believe.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
15:27 / 04.06.03
Oh yeah, 11.15pm, boyo.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:59 / 04.06.03
'Dagenham Dave'. Who needs versus and choruses when you just repeat the title for the entire length of the song? Still, the man was a librarian once, so he gets cheers for that.
 
 
arcboi
17:05 / 04.06.03
The NME? Didn't they once falsely accuse Moz of being a racist so they could sell more copies? Is it still going? Couldn't they make up a story about Chris Martin being a racist? or that he molests cuttle-fish? Then he could spend the next 10 years trying to get out of it

Best quote from that Word interview:

Did you hear TATU's version of How Soon Is Now?

Moz: Yes, it was magnificent. Absolutely. Again, I don't know much about them

They're the teenage Russian lesbians

Well, aren't we all?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:06 / 05.06.03
Much as it pains me to stand up for the NME, no, they didn't. What they *did* do was ask him fopr an explanation as to why he was parading a Union Jack at gigs and using certain subjects as lyrical material. He refused to give a reason, which they then - quite rightly, IMO - said they found pretty worrying.

Yes, it was done primarily to sell issues, but that doesn't mean they were wrong to pose the question in the first place.
 
 
arcboi
22:46 / 05.06.03
No, they attempted to string together a convenient number of issues to "suggest" he was a racist, while appearing to defend him from the very same claim they were making.

One of the finest moments is when they stated that "certain writers" at the NME branded Morrissey a racist because of the lyrical content of Panic, regarding the song as an "all-out attack on dance music and therefore black people". Eh?

From then onwards it was purely a matter of gunning for any lyric or song title that mentioned the words "National Front", "Asian" or "Bengali".

But hey, Andrew Collins (one of the writers of the article) admits this: "the week we decided to "expose" Morrissey as a racist gave us all a buzz in the office"

Funnily enough, they never saw the irony of Morrissey being bottled off stage at Finsbury Park by, what they claimed, were the very skinhead element that his "racist" ideas should appeal to.

Also, they didn't ask Morrissey for his input, they forewarned him of the "gist" of the article and if he was prepared to do an interview. His response (as reported by the NME) was "My lawyers are poised. NME have been trying to end my career for four years and year after year they fail. This year they will also fail"
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:42 / 05.06.03
So you don't think that somebody being offered an interview is being asked for their input? How odd.

I still think that they were reporting something that needed to be reported. They've done the same thing every time an artist has decided to start playing with nationalistic and/or racist imagery. That more time and space was devoted to Morrissey's actions was, as I've already said, undoubtedly due to the fact that they knew a controversy would shift issues (if memory serves, the week the furore started saw Kylie - who was enjoying her first massive wave of post-novelty popularity - bumped off the cover in favour of *that* photo), but there were a number of times during that period when they reported frsh attempts to gain interviews with Morrissey about the issue and he turned them down. All it would have taken for them to ease off was an explanation as to what point he was trying to make.

I've no great love for the NME, but that makes the continuing arguments about it as much his fault as theirs. The "trying to end my career for four years" quote showed a selective memory and a petulant inability to accept critiscism.
 
 
arcboi
09:31 / 06.06.03
It was purely a tabloid-style attack on Morrissey by the NME in which by asking him for an interview he's immediately put in the position of defending himself. Why should anyone be forced to defend themselves on the basis of a poor argument merely designed to sell newspapers?

If Moz had opted to engage them in a dialogue then they would have had fuel to continue the 'debate' for a long time. Instead he chose the more dignified response IMHO.

Draping yourself in a union jack doesn't make you a racist. Strange how the arrival of 'Britpop' made the union jack suddenly 'alright' in the eyes of the NME.

But hey, there's nothing new about this - Joy Division/New Order had to be put through the mill for flirting with fascist imagery. But I was never convinced that Ian Curtis was a nazi.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
16:04 / 06.06.03
From then onwards it was purely a matter of gunning for any lyric or song title that mentioned the words "National Front", "Asian" or "Bengali".

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha fuck's sake.

%No-one ever calls Asian Dub Foundation racist, do they? And they have the word Asian in the band name! What a double standard...%
 
 
suds
09:48 / 07.06.03
i'm replying really late to this topic but i wanted to say that this is the first time in fucking ages where the nme has done something useful. i started listening to the smiths after being recommended to when i was in america a couple of years ago.
i like the music but i didn't really know about the hoo-ha surrounding the band or anything about morrissey. nme covered it all! & now i can follow this thread without being confused.
 
 
arcboi
10:38 / 07.06.03
No-one ever calls Asian Dub Foundation racist, do they? And they have the word Asian in the band name! What a double standard...

I think the NME were only doing 'M' that week and were perhaps working backwards towards 'A' But, indeed, that's how silly it got.

Incidently, in the same article, the writers were trying to suggest that both The Jam and The Who were also worthy of investigation but then noted that perhaps The Jam were OK as they claimed they were trying to rescue this imagery from the far right. Apparently, there was no input from members of The Who arguing their position.

On the same evidence that hung dear old Moz, doesn't this suggest that The Who were all racists too?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:18 / 08.06.03
No. Because to my knowledge The Who never displayed a worryingly ambiguous and arguably romanticising obsession with the bully boys of the far right, whilst at the same time tackling the issue of race with such sensitive lyrics as "life is hard enough when you belong here".

My point, which you seem to have missed first time round, is that you don't have to do much "gunning" to find Morrisey's relationship to race and Nationalism worrying. The NME were by no means the only people to do so. You still haven't satisfactorily addressed the question of how Morrisey refusing to explain himself despite multiple invitations to do so over the years can be reconciled with the idea that this is a vicious and one-sided attack on a poor defenceless soul... Perhaps he has the artist's "never explain, never apologise" excuse, but if so then he must surely be prepared to accept the consequences (ie, controversy), rather than complain to the extent of building conspiracy theories regarding a national music press (including but not limited to the NME) which has deified and mollycoddled him as often as it has done the reverse.

Oh, and a lot of people had the same problem with certain bands' (who could be defined as part of Britpop) use of the Union Jack and again dubious relationship with nationalism and national identity, myself included.
 
 
arcboi
15:56 / 08.06.03
Well first off, it was apparently those same "bully boys of the far right" (who, at the time, appeared to be a worrying regular presence at Madness concerts) who actually drove Morrissey off stage at Finsbury Park. Maybe they hadn't listened to the lyrics closely enough.

Secondly Flyboy, you are accepting that attacks of this nature are a good thing and that it's down to the person being attacked to defend themselves, regardless of how weak the argument actually is and of any hidden agenda (or in this case, not so hidden) that the paper might have to kick off with.

OK, you wish to believe that (and correct me if I'm wrong) Morrissey is hiding something nastier and that his use of a flag or of addressing topics of culture in his lyrics suggests something very dubious in his agenda. I disagree. And I disagree because the NME failed to convince me with their tabloid approach and I disagree because I have the records that are being used as "proof" and I see no such suggestion hidden or otherwise.

And here's an ironic postscript - Morrissey has now signed up with the resurrected reggae label Attack. But perhaps "devious, truculent" Moz is only doing this to cover his secret racist agenda.
 
 
Ganesh
18:52 / 08.06.03
Bumped to remind all Barbe-Morrissettes: tonight, Channel 4, 11.14pm.
 
 
Ignatz_Mouse
09:24 / 17.06.03
The idea that Morrissey has any sort of hidden racist agenda is preposterous, at least as far as his artistic output has demonstrated. The central message of his work has always been compassion and affection for the outsider. Though he certainly has a romantic love of a mythical, dying England, to equate this sort of nationalistic nostalgia with racism seems to me peculiar, and a bit of a double standard, as we don't likewise condemn bands who perform drapped in an American or Jamaican flag. As far as Morrissey's strange fascination with the sort of young tough figure, I think this owes much more to his long term love affair with James Dean, and that sort of figure, and his subsequent attraction to that sort of romantic hoodlum ("He killed a policeman when he was thirteen, and for some reason this really impressed me")then from any sort of sympathy with their ideology.
 
 
arcboi
12:57 / 17.06.03
Also, anyone who picked up a copy of The Smiths And Beyond - a collection of Smiths photos by photographer Kevin Cummins will have been treated to a gushing intro to the book by a self-proclaimed Smiths' fan.

"I knew him first, and I knew him well"
The intro was penned by Danny Kelly - NME's then-editor back in 1992 and also responsible for contributing to the lengthy character assassination in the August 92 issue Did I say 'character assassination'? I apologise at once. I meant of course 'responsible well-researched journalism'

Oh, the plans they weave
Incidently, that article also attempted to blame Morrissey for the fact that Glastonbury is expensive. Given enough time I'm sure they would have found evidence that proved Moz was responsible for the death of Ian Curtis, keeping the price of CD's so high and penning a fair amount of The Smiths' songs (as opposed to Mike Joyce who in fact wrote all of them).

Re-issue ! Re-package ! Re-package !
All this in a mag that also featured a full page ad for The Smiths Best.. compilation too. Excellent.
 
  
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