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Private Messages and Moderation

 
 
grant
13:47 / 03.06.03
An issue has been raised over in another thread, now locked. You know, this one.

The problem, as I see it, is this:

What are moderators supposed to do about things that take place in Private Messages?

It's a pretty good question, I thought, and one all of us ought to think over a few times. Especially as regards accusations of abuse.

On the public board, it's pretty easy to identify an exchange that's getting unproductively aggressive, and for mods to start selectively deleting posts and replies. It happens -- not frequently, generally fairly smoothly, and leaves little trace. Discussing the problems in private seems to help.

But when something similar happens via private messaging, what should moderators do? What can moderators do?

I think it's important to point out that moderators here, as I see 'em, are not cops. Some folks might think they should be, some folks don't see why we should have any. Their primary mission (as I see it) is to keep discussions on topic, not keep the peace.

Not only are they not cops, but they're also visible and publicly accountable, supposedly. That's part of the idea of having this Policy forum available to the whole forum (most boards have a moderator-only forum that regular users can't even see). That's part of the foundation of the "distributed moderation" model -- making each moderation decision subject at least to the approval (and disapproval) of all the other mods.


The private workings of the board have traditionally been the province of Tom and Tom alone.

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So what to do about keeping the peace in private?

One solution was brought up here, which I had frankly forgotten about. I'm not sure I'd recommend it, but still, it deserves a mention. (The link goes to a Barbelith thread from a time in mid 2001 when Tom turned off the PM function, just to see what would happen.)

This would be the most extreme option, and seems unmerited.

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Another solution: the ability to block PMs from a particular user. Y'know, like an email filter.

We don't have the technology for that now.

So, Tom (or Cal, if you're reading this), is this possible? It'd be a perfect option from where I sit because it puts the power back in the hands of the individual user, not the cops.

Also, it seems like it'd be possible (correct me if I'm wrong) to design a message blocker so that it'd count the number of blocked messages sent from a particular user, or track levels of blockage in some other way.

I'd like to know if this is possible.

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Any other ideas? Any other relevant concerns I'm not addressing?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
20:08 / 03.06.03
In principle providing the ability to block messages is a sound idea. One argument I'd have to put forwards against it is that it'd reduce the possibility of animosity between parties involved ever being addressed - one could be attempting to solve the problem via PM, only for those messages to be blocked, or each may block the other, increasing the likelihood that the arguments take place instead in public and contradicting the entire point of PMs.

But then, it's the best solution I've seen so far.

I don't like the idea of tracking numbers of blocked messages, by the way. A similar suggestion was put forwards for tracking the number of posters ignoring any one suit and the argument against that stands here; just because a number of people are blocking any one person's messages doesn't necessarily mean that that one person is doing anything wrong.
 
 
Tom Coates
21:25 / 03.06.03
All of that stuff is completely possible and I've implemented a version of it on UpMyStreet Conversations (which incidentally uses some of the distributed moderation models we developed here). This doesn't seem to be a particular brain-stretch, although Cal is really busy. One change that IS coming up is likely to cause quite a lot of unrest, so maybe I should get Cal to build this in first. Hmm...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:40 / 04.06.03
The "strip to post" function? I'm not sure I agree with that entirely, Tom...

On numbers of blocked messages - I think this would have a slightly different purpose to the "number of people ignoring this poster" function - the aim would presumably be to make it clear if somebody was barraging or deluging somebody with PMs or not. One way around this might be just to extend the ignore button functionality to PMs (I don't thinkl it functions on PMs, does it? I tried it with Randy (nothing personal) and it didn't seem to work. Since one of the stated functions of the ignore button is to prevent people from getting riled by somebody they are finding annoying at the time's private message *right then* - when I use the ignore function (whioch is probably not enough*, it is to take somebody who I might react to adversely out of the view for a bit - I rarely use the function for mor than half an hour or so.

This would also mean that people could not "get around" being put on ignore by PMing their post to the person who is ignoring them, as has, IIRC, happened on at least one occasion.

That way, somebody could see that somebody was PMIng them and then return to them when they felt able to deal with possibly adverse content, or delete them unread, and would be able to say to a moderator "ze PMed me five times without my responding in 2 hours" if ze felt that the situation was seriosu enough to justify it...
 
 
Tom Coates
15:57 / 04.06.03
Haus - the rectal probing was your idea.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:41 / 04.06.03
Yes, but I wanted it with pants *on*.

"If there's cloth in the wound, you'll lose your arse."
 
  
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