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Help: The name of Christmas changed?

 
 
ephemerat
11:47 / 07.09.01
Heard a story in the pub last night that Bradford City Council had 'changed the name of Christmas' to appease ethnic minorities who apparently found it offensive.

Sounds like bullshit right-wing propaganda to me, but I'd like to know my facts. Anyone know anything about this?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
12:16 / 07.09.01
I remember something about this... didn't they change the name to 'Winterval'? Or, at least, that may have been the proposition. I suspect it was blown out of all proportion during the silly season last year, that's usually what happens with these things.

Or perhaps it originated in America?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:20 / 07.09.01
Birmingham. And it's true, but bear in mind that's from '98. May have changed since.
 
 
ephemerat
12:30 / 07.09.01
Thanks, guys. Ya did me proud.

Here's the press release.

Looks like the tabloids had a field day on what basically amounts to non-news.

How uncharacteristic.

[ 07-09-2001: Message edited by: ephemerat ]
 
 
nul
15:07 / 07.09.01
I think you owe the right-wing an apology for calling their propaganda bullshit, bucko.
 
 
Little Miss Anthropy
05:32 / 09.09.01
Ah... no. Read the link, fucko.
 
 
nul
05:56 / 09.09.01
You went to the trouble of italicizing the word "fucko." I imagine this to mean you were spoofing bucko, and felt that the extra panache would add some prestige to the brilliance of "fucko." Well, your daring attempt at cleverness has succeeded beyond my wildest expectations. Congratulations and please keep up the good work.

As for your less than subtle attempt to get me to "read the link," I have done so. It said "true" and the word turned red and became underlined when I placed my cursor over it. The link itself went to the URL http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_210000/210672.stm. I find nothing about this link which would require me to retract my statement. However, as you seem to feel otherwise, I challenge you to point out the specific letters in the word true or symbols in the URL which would entice me to remove my request for an apology to the right-wing for unjustly slandering their propaganda campaign. It would be very much appreciated.
 
 
PingPangPong
19:12 / 09.09.01
Changing the name of Christmas to appease ethnic religions is ridiculous. When in Rome do as the Romans do! The ethnic religions don't even celebrate Christmas, so why bother to change the name. What, are we going to call "A Christmas carol", "A Winter Carol"?
Or is that fine book banned in Birmingham?
 
 
Spatula Clarke
23:33 / 09.09.01
quote:Originally posted by PingPangPong:
Changing the name of Christmas to appease ethnic religions is ridiculous.


Don't tell me - it's political correctness gone mad.

quote:When in Rome do as the Romans do!

Commit incest? Abuse the serving boys?

[ 10-09-2001: Message edited by: E. Randy Dupre ]
 
 
Rev. Jesse
03:35 / 10.09.01
Fuck christmas.

Fuck it up the ass.

We don't need it, nor do we need Kwansi or any other look-alike holiday.

I am sick of stressing about buying gifts to celebrate the birth of some homeless kid.

Sucides go up over the "holiday season."

Christmas totally stresses kids who's folks can't buy them gift.

It is a total marketing ploy to make people spend and go into debt.

And it doesn't help any that my birthday is the 23rd and people try to get away with giving me only one gift.

Get rid of the damn thing.

-Jesse
 
 
mondo a-go-go
09:03 / 11.09.01
my birthday is the 24th, and everyone takes great pleasure in pointing out that it was almost the 25th, being that i was born at four minutes to midnight.

i agree that it sucks, because nobody actually remembers when my birthday is. and everybody should be celebrating my birthday!

still, could be worse. could've been born on new year's day.

or february 29th.
 
 
ephemerat
14:24 / 12.09.01
quote:Originally posted by Brenden Simpson:
I think you owe the right-wing an apology for calling their propaganda bullshit, bucko.


Please carefully read the links, a search under the term 'winterval' will produce a lot more material as well, note which pertain to primary or secondary source material. At no point were Birmingham City Council talking about actually changing the name of Christmas itself. Winterval was an in-house term produced to describe a period of organised festivities running from November through to January. This was previously called The Christmas Period. The Council, recognising the inadequacy of this term in describing a period that included entirely secular festivals like Bonfire Night and New Year's Eve, as well as a whole host of non-Christian festivals, decided that the term should be altered to something less exclusive, something open to the full range of festivities offered.

The right-wing press (most notably our old, favourite, shit-slingers, the Daily Mail) waged a war on the basis that they were trying to 'ban' and 'change the name' of Christmas. Bishops, priests, reverends, pundits and politicians got on board, all happy to revel in the media hyperbole and confusion. It was indeed used as an example of 'political correctness gone mad', that ethnic minorities were coming over to our country and trying to change our traditions, that all city councils were clearly run by black, disabled, lesbian, feminist fanatics, that the very fabric of British life was threatened. All in the face of evidence that clearly pointed to the opposite.

And all this time Birmingham City Council was still quietly going about its business; arranging for Christmas trees to be set up in the city centre, for carol singers and church-based events, for people to be able to send free Christmas e-cards from their website and for Christmas lights to be strung through the trees.

Of course this in no way prevented villification by a nation not even in possession of the facts. So they folded. They changed the name back. And one more attempt to make the world a better, more inclusive place for everyone in some small way was snuffed out. What makes it especially difficult to bear is the fact that this story was repeated to me so recently in the 'ethnic minorities trying to take over' style as if it was gospel news. By someone I quite like. That this bit of non-news is still being repeated three years after its cancellation as evidence of the cultural siege that white, Anglo-Saxon Britain is undergoing. As an excuse for more intolerance, more racism, more poorly directed anger.

It makes me unutterably depressed and coldly furious.
 
 
deletia
12:06 / 13.09.01
Although one might point out that, although bullshit in the sense of being dishonest and untrue, the right wing propaganda was not bullshit in the sense of being bad or inept. As propaganda, it has done pretty well.
 
  
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