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I am hormonal

 
 
Lilith Myth
17:43 / 30.05.03
Every month, at a certain time, the tiniest slight can reduce me to tears in seconds. A late train, a dirty look, a perceived diss, and I'm deeply, often destructuvely, sad. Every month, about two days later, I'm deeply surprised when my period arrives. (Aside: I'd be interested in a thread on "time of the month" metaphors).

My sister's even worse: she calls up (we live in different cities) every month and says unspeakably outrageous things that hurt me. Two days later, she calls and apologises, profusely. Every month, I am also surprised.

Do men notice these things? How do other women handle it? Am I averagely bad/worse/don't know I'm born? Spill.
 
 
pomegranate
18:13 / 30.05.03
er, no offense meant, but you do seem worse than most women i know.
there are things you can do. all month, take calcium and other vitamins especially b vitamins, and drink lots of water. the week before yr period, treat yrself well by having fun and relaxing and getting a lot of rest.
it's an interesting thing, cycles; one that can be used to yr advantage, believe it or not. a lot of times yr in touch w/a deeper (if more melancholy) you while pms-ing, and journaling/thinking can help you realize where yr dissatisfied w/yr life.
and do you get outrageously horny when you ovulate? i do. it makes me want to fuck strangers.
a study was done that found that women wear more revealing clothes around ovulation. female waitresses report higher tips.
see all that's lost if yr on the pill?
 
 
netbanshee
18:16 / 30.05.03
Do men notice these things?

Well... as u know, we're not too detail oriented of a bunch, but I think we get the general feel that something wicked is happening to our much loved female counterparts. I tend to notice it more (obviously) in the ladyfriend, but it too often catches me by surprise. You tend to deal with it when it's here and hope to forget about it when it's not.

That said, I think i'm in the doghouse at the moment since I wasn't the kind, young and sensitive man I was supposed to be... with hormones being my first goto explaination for the recent heightening in her sensitivity. Let's hope we can all figure this out cause I'd like to see women doing better and I need my bowl filled...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:24 / 30.05.03
You sound worse than av., Lilith. That sounds absolutely wretched for you. praying mantis' tips are all good, tho' vits'n'calcium tend to help the physical symptoms more than the emotional ones. Your doctor may be able to offer you something to help, or you could look into herbal remedies. Above all, keep track of where you are in your cycle so that the tearful days come as less of a shock. You'll be better able to deal with those feelings if you can say to yourself "Oh, this is just a hormone glitch-- I'll feel better in a couple of days."

My experience is a bit different. I don't get blue before my period, I just spend a week or so feeling murderously angry. The thing that's helped me most is being aware of what's happening and why; knowing myself well enough to understand that it's okay to have those feelings-- I'm not going to act on them, they aren't dangerous to anyone else, and they'll pass eventually. Now I kind of like going all Ginger Snaps once a month. I can channel the feelings into writing rants or scary stories, or just physical excercise.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
23:08 / 30.05.03
I vary- sometimes angry and sometimes unbearably sad but mostly my emotions get erratic. One minute I'm crying and the next I'm howling with laughter but I always know what's making me behave badly. I eat chocolate, masses of chocolate and I smoke more, it makes me feel happier. I find it best to avoid other people for two days and just hide because my ability to speak reasonably just wanders off. Some months I can carry on as normal but invariably my body turns against me. I usually get a three hour period of time when I can't move because I cramp up badly but it's dealable with and three hours a month isn't much. My pms is bad but it could be worse... I ignore it as much as I can and roll my eyes when I have to lie down and let the pain wash. It's not nice but I'm used to it and it feels kind of healthy even when it really hurts.
 
 
w1rebaby
01:04 / 31.05.03
I used to share a flat with four women. I definitely noticed that, around once a month, I would start to get more agitated, depressed and argumentative for no apparent reason. This turned out to be the appropriate time of the month for the ladies concerned.

Now, I could theorise on the basis that whatever mechanism that causes women to synchronise periods was affecting me as well, but I think it's more likely that I was subconsciously picking up on and being affected by their changed behaviour; I'm pretty sensitive to the mood of those around me and tend to mirror it.

Nowadays I have such mood swings myself that I don't really notice other people's much.
 
 
Sax
07:30 / 03.06.03
Cheer up, Ms Myth, it could be worse.
 
 
illmatic
08:45 / 03.06.03
There's a great book called The Wise Wound by Penelope Shuttle and Peter Redgrove which is about the psychology and biology of menstration and it's cultural treatment/suppresion. I kind of feel completely out of place commenting on this book, as it's about something I've never experienced - have any of the women here read it? If so, what's your opinion?
 
 
mellom
17:27 / 03.06.03
I am not sad when it happens - but filled with rage. it is like going through puberty with all its horror in one week.

you do sound a little bit more troubled than the average woman.
nightlightoil. it takes about 3 months from you start on it before you notice any change - but it will help.
 
 
gingerbop
14:42 / 04.06.03
I prefer to be around people then, not on my own. Cos when im on my own then, i tend to cry about things like not being able to find a lip-balm, or the top i wanted to wear still being in the washing.

The worst thing when on th blob are fucking gymnastix competitions, and they allllwwayyyss seem to be at the wrong time. Nowt worse than having to wear a leotard. Then i usually winge about it for hours and hours.

I think on th whole, guys tend to step back if they see a wifey stressin, probably not so much to give her room, but to stay out of it. So they probably know.

And chocolate. Thankyou, dear chocolate...
 
 
alas
03:51 / 05.06.03
Massive anxiety attacks about 48 hours before. Convinced all is going to hell in a handbasket and it's all my fault.

Then I think, like Mord@nt: I will be better. And when I get the damn thing, I feel immediately better.

strange thing, this whole monthly cycle. I like the suggestions, here.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
09:57 / 05.06.03
I usually get pretty moody and concerned about something, and possibly easily teary, also I want crisps and it's the only time I ever am tempted by chocolate.

I find that whatever I'm worried about at this time is actually quite important, so I use it as an "emotional gage" somewhat...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
19:04 / 15.06.03
I like it when external stresses muck up your cycle and leave you wondering whether you're going off your rocker - I've been all over the place all weekend and it's been quite worrying, but I think a tell-tale cramp has just put me right on that score. Usually, even with the extra emotional susceptibility, I find the whole thing deeply tedious - I suppose this at least removes that aspect of the wretched business.
 
 
gingerbop
18:49 / 29.06.03
Today I nearly cried when my mum told me that the paint on a vase i was doing was uneven.

I think i'll go raid the cupboard, in search of chocolate. But if i dont find any, i really will cry.
 
 
Lilith Myth
19:01 / 29.06.03
Lavender oil in a bath, helps (me, anyway) Gingerbop.

I cried today when I couldn't get the aerial on my TV to work.

I just realised that I felt shit, and when I saw this at the top, realised also that I started this thread a month ago. I sense a pattern emerging.

I hate to be all anti-men, and I'm not really, but I can't help feeling that men (and women who don't have bad PMT) don't know what it's like.
 
 
gingerbop
19:05 / 29.06.03
ooo lavender oil- very cunning.

Actually, after the paint incident, it was the same TV ariel thing that stressed me.

I count myself particuarly unfortunate, that i used to have a 2 and a half week cycle, which sorted itself out, but seemingly only for a year, and has now reverted to being 3 weeks. ARGH
 
 
Servalan Queen of the Universe
18:50 / 30.06.03
I find hormonal chaos so fascinating- probably because it has invaded so much of my life and I often find myself wondering if it has dictated the pattern of some of my jobs/relationships. this is because while in hormonal chaos I really believe that my rage, despair etc are completely caused by the obstacles in my life and responsibility generally ends up at the door of anyone I spend a lot of time with (usually longsuffering partner, who learned simply to run away at first signs, since fighting back would lead to nuclear consequences)

My own PMS before I got pregnant (and more about that below if you can face it) was at least as severe as the person's who started this thread. I also got striking physical symptoms- a funny kind of enhancement of the senses (food etc tasted better, but I would get hungrier too), intense physical irritability and restless mania. I get anxiety, paranoia, uncontrollable screaming fits...One one particularly bad pre period day I became convinced that my workmates, not the friendliest lot, were all talking about me and felt compelled to spill this manically to the only person in the office who had previously considered me to be sane.

Late pregnancy for those of you who have yet to experience it is a rather different type of hormonal chaos involving a fluffy feeling in the brain and a lot of intense sadness about the state of the world (this seems to be common to everyone in my antenatal class, as are multiple weeping fits)- however it is MUCH harder to sustain fits of temper (possibly just the lack of energy from feeling huge, but I suspect high progesterone levels may have something to do with it- because isn't the progesterone drop before menstruation implicated in PMS and post natal depression (looking forward to that one)...
 
 
Char Aina
00:12 / 03.07.03
i have nothing to say, so i offer flowers.


 
 
Lurid Archive
08:31 / 03.07.03
I hate to be all anti-men, and I'm not really, but I can't help feeling that men (and women who don't have bad PMT) don't know what it's like. - Lilith Myth

Thats not anti men at all. We don't know what it is like. Even seeing someone go through this isn't really understanding, and you all have my sympathies. (That said, I do remember reading somewhere about a males hormonal cycle. Nowhere near as severe, of course, but interesting nonethless.)

To answer the questions in the abstract, however, I can say that I can probably notice something going on if a woman close to me is feeling fragile. I won't necessarily connect it with hormones, however and I confess that I can be a little insensitive if I don't make that connection.

Servalan: You make pregnancy sound even more difficult than I thought it was. It sounds almost scary, being subject to hormones in such a strong way, though I realise that that is probably an incomplete picture. What do you do to deal with that specifically? Is it like a severe version of PMS, in that sense?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
11:04 / 03.07.03
For whatever it's worth:

A year or so ago I took myself off to the doctor because I was feeling exhausted the entire time, had no interest in anything, and was basically permanently evil. My blood tests showed a level of androgens (boy hormones) roughly equivalent to that of a ninety-year-old, which is obviously just plain wrong in a bloke of thirty, not to mention a deficiency in about twenty other things the male body ought to make scads of, but in my case has elected to dispense with for reasons which would probably make sense in fourteenth century Poland or thirty-second century Malaysia, but don't do me any favours in the here and now.

I was prescribed assorted exciting drugs (supplements, mostly), and for about three weeks I felt like a teenager and was unbearable, and then I calmed down and became a normal human being.

Now, the thing is that the body's a wee bit more complicated than just a couple of pills at each end of the day; there's a cycle to androgen production, and it can be affected by stress, exercise (or lack thereof) and diet, so I've had to learn a few things.

All of which is prologue to the few bits of information I can offer about dealing with hormones:

Know what you should be eating - and when - and eat it. Even if you really aren't interested in eating. Don't let yourself get into a cycle where you feel down and grumpy so you eat foods which increase that mood. Large quantities of wheat don't help, nor - alas - does chocolate; it makes you feel better in the short term, then brings you down later and makes you sad.

Do go out of your way to make yourself look good when you feel bad. I tend to 'forget' to shave, wear the same clothes repeatedly, and generally not take care of myself around once a month (the male cycle is approximately 25 days, I think). You don't have to look perfect, just good enough that it doesn't make you feel worse.

Exercise. I don't know the relationship between exercise and female hormones, but in men, exercise is linked to testosterone production; since women do make testosterone, and it is linked in you to mood and drives, I'd assume there's a link there, too. Swimming is a good all-round pick-me-up for me, but I try to do some light weights and cardio as well. Understand, this is something which, when I'm low, I really, really don't want to do, and it exhausts me much quicker. But it also makes me feel better both phsyically and emotionally. I'm not suggesting that, like those funny women in the tampon ads who go hangliding and rollerblading whenever they come on, you should go crazy with this, but when you can manage it physically, you may want to try it even if you really don't feel like it.

Get outside. Or get a SAD lamp. Again, I don't know what the interactions are, but melatonin, the hormone which governs sleep/waking cycles, has a downer effect on some people (me) and in winter especially it can be hard to get enough light to stop production of melatonin and wake up and feel sprightly. More, your body must have sunlight or something very like it to produce other good things it needs to get along. Finally, some kinds of electric light - notably the fluourescents used in many offices - produce negative effects (if I recall, fluourescents put out light in a purple/green spectrum, and flicker at just the right rate to make you feel ill).

For interest, I think hormonal wobbles in men are underestimated. There's a male cycle of production, but because there's no equivalent to menstruation, and because it's supposed to be more subtle, people tend to dismiss it. I have to say that I think quite a lot of men cruise around blissfully unaware of why they're being such a pain in the ass once every twenty five days, and wondering why their spot cream works three weeks in four, but seems to make no difference the rest of the time. And the effect of the tailing-off of testosterone production between twenty five and forty probably accounts for any number of idiot aspects of male behaviour coming under the heading of 'midlife crisis' - it's like being a teenager, only in reverse: much more scary and depressing.
 
 
pomegranate
14:04 / 03.07.03
i just want to say that i am hormonal right now, but not PMS-y. i'm ovulating, and i'm fucking horny as all hell, and also my face is greasier than normal. and i'm starving (i've read that some women burn 500 extra calories per day while they're ovulating.)
i know you all wanted to know that.
IIRC, i read that testosterone for males peaks in october for some reason. i wonder if it's the same in the other hemisphere, though. and of course testosterone also peaks in the morning, which = morning wood.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:45 / 03.07.03
Testosterone production peaks at approximately five a.m. for the average man (whoever the hell he is), leading, as you rightly say, to morning erections. However, as I've said above, there are numerous factors which can influence production of this and other related chemicals in the body.
 
 
gingerbop
17:16 / 03.07.03
(That said, I do remember reading somewhere about a males hormonal cycle. Nowhere near as severe, of course, but interesting nonethless.)

I do know one guy, who has moodswings at least as bad as most women. Most of the time he's fine with me/my friends, but then about once a month he's calling us slags and minks and any other particuarly intelligent insult he can find, then pretends not to know us.

But do guys get tearful/upset around then, or are they just insolent little fuckers? (apologies in advance; thats what that guy is).

Eugh. I hate to think that chocolate doesnt help, long(ish) term. Burning lavendar oil doesnt seem to fully replace my usual chocolatey goodness. But thats good about the 500 extra calorie-burnings: Shall remind myself in a week or two, and can add a little more chocolatey goodness to my day.
 
 
Servalan Queen of the Universe
18:40 / 04.07.03
nick, that is very interesting about your testosterone- I have never heard of any (young) men bothering to get tested for such matters. Its' as if men think they don't have hormones, or that they can't be going 'wrong' unless they can't get it up...

I have recently read some research about insulin and hormones which backs up the warnings here about wheat/chocolate: basically if you are the type who gets hungry every 2-4 hours and craves stodge, sweets etc you are more likely to get PMT, polycystic ovaries, etc etc because you are prone to a pattern of raised insulin in response to blood sugar crashes. I wonder if this also applies to hormone imbalances in men. Increased androgen production in women (hairiness, spots, infertility) has been implicated in this kind of carb syndrome. Its' trendy to talk about protein diets being the best but when I looked at my lifestyle after years of increasing hormonal chaos, I realised that all I ever wanted to eat was carbs, the only protein I ever got was from ice cream basically, and I was absolutely hooked on coffee, which boosts blood sugar. I had symptoms of hypoglycaemia, plus acne which only came on in my late 20s (mystified me completely), lengthening menstrual cycle etc. And I used to get pre ovulation tension as well (not fair)

As to pregnancy, hope I didn't make it sound that bad, it's better than PMT I assure you except for the huge lump in front of you and not being able to sleep/bend over etc heh heh. But I have really noticed the weepiness attacks in myself and other pg women, plus in the last month, which I am in now, weird sensations of 'hormone surge' in which you lose your mind and go into a trance. I also slept for 3 hours in the afternoon today which really isn't like me.
I wonder if low progesterone is connected with the anger attacks and severe/manic depression of PMT and post natal depression...
 
 
cusm
19:20 / 04.07.03
After my wife had the kids and was back on the pill, she started having severe issues every month for the usual 3 days. Anger, complete loss of patience, irrational behavior, the works. Turns out she had a bad reaction to that particular hormone soup she was taking, so the docs switched her to a different pill. By the third one we'd found a match she (and I ) could live with. So, for the ladies on the pill, that's one to consider. If your PMS is particularly bad, you might be better with a different pill.
 
 
cusm
22:17 / 06.07.03
The other thing with pregnacy is that you are no longer first in line for getting O2 to the brain. This was especially an issue with my wife while she was carrying twins, putting her third in line. She had no memory to speak of whatsoever, and really couldn't be relied upon for anything rational, especially towards the end of it. This combined at certain points with the hormonal periods of benevolent maternal bliss (when she wasn't tearing up the foyer in fits of nesting instinct that I'm still making repairs on) resulted in a new house rule against making important decisions ("you seem a nice girl, of course you can stay with us for a couple of months") while pregnant. This being an extension to the old rule against making decisions while drunk or on drugs, for much the same reasons.
 
  
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