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The Reveal: How Public is Private?

 
 
Lilith Myth
06:48 / 30.05.03
So I've had a weblog for a couple of years. To start with, no-one read it, no-one knew who I was. It was very personal. Angsty dear-diary stuff. Then, I told a couple of friends, which I wanted to. I wrote less angst, but was still personal. Then, I ended up in the Guardian (newspaper), and people I hadn't heard from for years got in touch. So I wrote less private stuff. I've been semi-stalked by an old college friend who appears to have become utterly obsessed with me.

Obviously, it's up to me what exactly I say. No-one's standing over me with a whip (more's the pity), so I have total personal choice. The grey area between personal/private and political/public is what interests me anyway. How public are our personas on the web? Is my web persona the same as the real me? What's a secret, exactly? How intimate can you be online? Is there a value in a "fictionalised reality"?

Of course lots of what I write on my weblog is what I think of cinema/theatre/books/new web technology, so it's not all worthy philosphy, believe me.

Last summer, long story, but I ended up telling my family about the weblog, which was the right thing to do. My siblings became a little obsessed with it, for a short while, but my parents only got wired in the last few months (my blog being a prime motivator), and now they read it every day.

Last week, a friend of my parents, who is also the aunt of an old college friend of mine, and the biggest gossip known to the twentyfirst century, was at a large social gathering of my family's, and told everyone (and I mean everyone) there about my weblog in about twenty minutes flat.

My traffic's gone up, but I haven't written anything for a week. Sure, I choose to write and share and publish, but somehow, now it feels like
everyone in the place I grew up, and everyone I've ever met, is reading it, and not in a good way. They're reading it because they think I'm a little bohemian/strange and they want proof.

As I once heard Lawrence Llewelyn Bowen say about those horrid house changing programmes and what motivates the audience: "it's all in the reveal".

People want personal. Gossip. Celebrity lives (not that I have one). But why do I feel strange now all my parents' friends have asked me about it? Knowing that online anyone can find you, why do I mind 50 or so middle-aged northerners reading? And why do I suddenly feel shy?

What do you think?

This thread idea brought to you, taking the lead from Flowers, on something I amy or may not have once said...
 
 
Sax
06:54 / 30.05.03
Well... as a journalist I'm of the opinion that if you're publishing, which as the writer of a weblog which will be read by a third person you are doing, then you've got to expect to be read.

I'm not really up to speed on blogging etiquette, but it seems to me that if you are going to post personal stuff on the internet which has the potential to open up your work to millions of people, then you can't really complain about other people reading it.

The issue, probably, is whether you want people to link your on-line persona with the "in real life" you. Which is why on Barbelith I use a fiction-suit and don't really advertise who I really am. Because as the Home Secretary David Blunkett, I wouldn't really want to be linked to a radical anarcho-prankster comic geek website, would I?

So the options would seem to me to be... either write a diary and stick it under your pillow or start a new weblog under a pseudonym.
 
 
Lilith Myth
07:03 / 30.05.03
I'm not complaining - everything you say is true, Sax.

I'm more interested in what people think about the seeming increasing desire or people to publish - anonymously or not - stuff about themselves on the web. Why is that?

And I too have no link online beween my "fictionsuit" here and who I really am. Because it's just not Maggie, is it...
 
 
Mr Messy
07:35 / 30.05.03
Hello.
I have no weblog, but your story interests me.
You said,

I'm more interested in what people think about the seeming increasing desire or people to publish - anonymously or not - stuff about themselves on the web. Why is that?

This made me think about my own recent history. In January I broke up with someone - well they dumped me, and I felt utterly devastated. I wanted to say so many things to him, but I felt a letter couldn't possibly contain all of the different feelings I possessed. Out of this grew my idea to write a short story. I had a flash of inspiration of how I could tell this story and that it would contain the essence and complexity of all I felt. I was then going to send the story to him.

I began to ask myself why. Why did I feel such a great desire to impart this information to the git. Well, I felt that I wanted to be known, really known. That if I managed to do this then he would love me again. And also I would feel reassured about myself too.

I then realised that this desire to be known and understood stretched back throughout my life. I believe its something we all crave to some degree. And maybe the weblogging is just a new method for people to try and meet that need. The technology, the level of access just hasn't been there.

I'm struck by your ambivalence over your weblog. I imagine it is quite scarey to reveal these aspects of yourself to such an audience, because of the fear of rejection or bemusement or whatever. At least being anonymous reduces the impact of rejection if it does happen.
 
 
Sax
07:51 / 30.05.03
LM - I didn't mean to imply you personally were complaining, I was using the term "you" generically for web-loggers, really.

I tend to kick it old skool myself - I have a weekly newspaper column in which I ramble on about my own life and views, but I tend not to go too personal, really, as my name and photo are at the top of it. If I wrote an anonymous column would I bare my soul more? Probably.
 
 
Jub
10:11 / 30.05.03
If I wrote an anonymous column would I bare my soul more? Probably.

Reminds me of that Russian show called, I think: `The Mask', based on Oscar Wilde's observation that if you "give a man a mask, he'll tell you the truth" - or something like that. Each week they'd give a mask to an unsavory character (drug dealer, pimp, sex offender etc) and invite the audience to ask questions about their motivations etc.

There is a third option from Sax's two LM; you could just say fuck it and carry on. I don't know what kinda stuff you're writing though and who's reading it so I don't know how prudent this would be.

I recommend you read dooce.com as the person that runs it has had issues like this which she goes into in some depth. She managed to lose her job and alienate her family because of her blog, which is incidentally a great read. More info on Dooce
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
12:53 / 30.05.03
Fuck Dooce. I've been fired because of weblogging, and I'm a Barbelither. My mind is that if you're publishing online and you think you're owed some kind of privacy, you're really missing the point. Publishing is just that: broadcasting yourself to people you will never, usually know, for their edification. If you don't want something to be made public, put it in a Moleskine somewhere and never let it anywhere near an FTP program.

Webloggers frequently make the mistake that nobody reads. Bullshit. Google reads. Which means that your boss, should they do a websearch on their employee, will find your blog if you've used anything even remotely close to real life in it. They will know, and there's no point - as people seem to think (and I don't think you do, LM, am just saying) - in thinking tha tit's private or that they won't know. People will find out - it's what happens. I haven't posted about my affairs with other barbelithers or my seeing of Real Live Tigers because I don't especially want people to know - if it's on there, it's fair game. Simple as that. You're worried about public opinion? Withold. That's all you can do.

The upshot is: a weblog is an act of revealing. But most bloggers haven't learned that it's the dance of the seven veils, rather than the money shot, that's the best modus operandi.
 
 
Jub
13:14 / 30.05.03
so, why did you get fired Rothkoid?
I think it's a travesty btw. Even though I concur that if you want it private don't blog it; I think it's a complete pisstake to fire someone over what they publish - as long as they do their job, what's the problem?
 
 
Sax
14:17 / 30.05.03
I suppose that depends on whether you're publishing the opinion that the company you work for is shite and your boss would benefit greatly from being thrown over his desk and buggered by a gang of grizzly bears who had just foraged a bag of Viagra from a pickernick basket.
 
 
alas
14:28 / 30.05.03
there's no point - as people seem to think . . . - in thinking tha tit's private

I never think tha tit's private. Semi-private. Or semi-detached, come to think of it. Damn tits.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:18 / 30.05.03
For me, it's all about the revelation. (There now follows a bunch of annoying autobiographical crap. Feel free to pop out for a slash.)

As you're all sick of hearing, I was homeschooled from an early age. I grew up in an atmosphere of nagging paranoia, because it's not a good idea for a homeschooling family to draw attention to itself. You're under constant pressure to conform, to give in and put the kids back into school, and the Powers That Be will use any weapon they can lay their hands on to make you toe the line. If you're a home-ed kid and you piss off your neighbours by riding your bike across their lawn or making too much noise, you don't just risk a bollocking. Your folks could end up in court.

So there was this huge emphasis on hiding, concealment: keeping your head down, staying quiet, not making trouble, limiting your interactions with the world as much as possible. And, as formative experiences do, it kinda stuck. Weblogging is the two fingers I hold up to the part of me. Yeah, I get pretty personal sometimes, because not being personal seems somehow... dishonest. I'm still pretty careful not to disclose anything I can't afford to have people know.
 
 
Spaniel
08:00 / 31.05.03
So there was this huge emphasis on hiding, concealment: keeping your head down, staying quiet, not making trouble, limiting your interactions with the world as much as possible.

Sorry, Mordant, but that sounds bloody awful, not to mention damaging.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:14 / 31.05.03
It wasn't terrible, just... odd. And not something you want to carry over into adulthood.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:26 / 02.06.03
Came across this blog which is written pretty much entirely about the personal, she puts in stuff about the people close to her so much that I wonder whether her relationships would survive if they ever actually read it (todays entry is all about not being sure how long her relationship with her girlfriend will last and how she pisses her off).
 
 
grim reader
11:48 / 03.06.03
Blogging has kind of taken off among my mates, we've currently got a pretty healthy 'blogverse' going, of which my mate Nick is kind of the hub; he started his blog first, and the rest of us followed. Re: a fictional blog, we've also started up a joint blog called the Fictionverse. And while I'm shamelessly plugging the blogverse, my blog is here.

This thread has got me thinking about my own reasons for blogging. Primarily, I basically wanted somewhere to put my opinions, have them photonically immortalised on a handful of screens, mostly just friends, but that could change. I'm also using it as a place to store ideas and opinions so I can come back, work them into some sort of shape, and try to get some finished pieces done, because while I'm a pretty good writer I'm also pretty crap at the process of forming stuff into finished work. If I didn;t have the blog, a lot of my ideas would just get lost in my personal version of the magic mirror. As for writing personal stuff, I wouldn't publish anything I don't feel I could defend or bullshit my way out of in Meatspace. I've mentioned my blog to my family, and they've shown no interest, haven't asked for a url or anything, but I still don't publish anything that might upset them - not concerning them, anyway. I've been fairly open about criticising my school and education on the blog, just because I feel at home enough here to feel this is 'my' city, and that I've got valid opinions that should be shared with the other people around me of my age. I'm hoping that my web-presence will flower into a proper website, with commentary on this city (Newcastle), politics, arts (mainly film and comics), academic stuff, and a bit of shamanism, because I like to think of myself as a sort of half-arsed wannabe urban shaman.

The fact that all my friends are blogging means we can stay close even though we're scattered over the country because of university and stuff. I also hope it will help wean people off the newspapers and other media, because people who get paid to write tend to write a lot of awful shite, while people who are doing it for pleasure often come out with great stuff, often because they're not doing it to fill in column inches, but because they want to.

Since I've shamelessly advertised my own little region of the blogverse, does anyone fancy sharing theirs? I think posts should be far more link-heavy, but then i am an information-fiend.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:34 / 03.06.03
Try here.
 
  
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