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Artist create work which kills goldfish

 
 
rakehell
23:49 / 19.05.03
From Melbourne's The Age newspaper.

Director acquitted in liquefied goldfish case
May 20 2003

A museum director in Denmark was yesterday acquitted of charges of cruelty to animals for a controversial exhibit in which goldfish were liquidised in a blender to test visitors' sense of right and wrong.

The exhibit at the Trapholt modern art museum in 2000 featured live goldfish swimming in a blender.

Visitors were given the possibility of pressing the button to transform the fish into a runny liquid.

Artist Marco Evaristti, the Chilean-born bad boy of the Danish art scene, said at the time that he wanted to force people to "do battle with their conscience".

Two goldfish died after two visitors pressed the button, and the Danish association Friends of Animals filed a complaint against the artist as well as the director of the museum, Peter Meyer, for cruelty to animals.

Only Meyer was taken to court over the affair, after he refused to pay a 2,000-kroner ($A478) fine for failing to respect an injunction to cut the blenders' electricity so that visitors would not be tempted to kill the goldfish.

But the director refused to pay the fine in the name of artistic freedom, leaving police no option but to haul him into court.

"It's a question of principle. An artist has the right to create works which defy our concept of what is right and what is wrong," he told the court in Kolding.

The court acquitted Meyer after a technician employed by the blender manufacturer and a veterinarian both testified that the fish did not experience any suffering due to the blenders' high speed, and said they were "killed painlessly".


What I would like to focus on is Meyer's statement that "an artist has the right to create works which defy our concept of what is right and what is wrong".

If this is the case, how far should an artist be allowed to go? Animal cruelty is obviously against the law in Denmark - as in a lot of other countries - what other laws should an artists be allowed to break when defying our concepts of right/wrong?

I was thinking about performance art which features cruelty to humans and realised that in those case the participants are willing - please correct me if this is not the case. What about a piece which uses someone forced to participate against their will, say a kidnap victim at whom people can throw darts.

Is Meyer's statement valid, or a handy quip to try and avoid a fine and/or some jail time?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:40 / 20.05.03
Is Meyer's statement valid, or a handy quip to try and avoid a fine and/or some jail time?

I'm sure that Meyer believed that his statement was true but that should not determine its validity. I think this was wrong and the whole notion of suffering should be put aside. How anyone could be aware of the feelings of a sentient fish being sliced up is quite beyond me but even if they couldn't feel a thing this is pretty abhorrent. Goldfish should not be killed in the name of art because they're worth a little bit more than human debate over guilt and the conscience. It reeks of selfish humanity and it's pretty damn sick to put the life of any animal in the hands of people who might press a button.

what other laws should an artists be allowed to break when defying our concepts of right/wrong?

Artists should not be allowed to break laws any more than the rest of the population. He should have been charged because this kind of crime is serious, not only on an individual basis, it resonates through the press. The concepts of right and wrong have not been defied. All that's happened is some poor old goldfish have died and I've come to the conclusion that Meyer and Evaristti are wrong, wrong, wrong bastards (with god complexes).
 
 
lord nuneaton savage
11:52 / 20.05.03
Can you imagine his reaction on being hauled off to the cell? "But...But...I'm an artist!" Prick.

I used to know people like that at art college, their the entire reason I left. The sense of superiority they feel over the likes of you and me makes me wish he'd put himself in the fucking blender. That would be a far better test of "what is right and wrong". plus you'd be able to laugh at his smug face as you mashed him.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:28 / 20.05.03
Well, now, let's be clear: the artist didn't kill the goldfish. It was the gallery patron who did that. The artist simply provided the means to do so.

I think the animal cruelty angle here is, you'll pardon the pun, a bit of a red herring.

This is an installation designed to raise questions, and it does—but not, apparently, the ones the artist intended. He meant for it to force people to battle with the consciences: but, in practical effect, it becomes a question of an artist's complicity in misdeeds inspired or enabled by his work.

If some nutjob torches a synagogue using a batch of napalm mixed according to the recipe in Fight Club, is Chuck Palahniuk responsible for the damage?

Some years ago, Paladin Press (who do books for the Soldier of Fortune/Guns & Ammo set) published an alleged guidebook on how to be a hitman. The book seems to have been written with tongue in cheek: but two guys who read it thought it was s solid business plan, and were later arrested for murder. Paladin Press was named party to a wrongful-death suit. Is this justified?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:09 / 20.05.03
I'm absolutely fascinated that no one hauled the bastard button-pusher in for cruelty. Going after the artist and the museum, but not the person who simply couldn't resist the opportunity to blend a goldfish?

Fucksakes.
 
 
gingerbop
14:51 / 20.05.03
Nah, it was probably wee kids, and if offered the opportunity- well, you can do what you like, either ways fine- then... i dunno. Otherwise, if it wasnt kids, then theyl rot in hell anyways.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
16:24 / 20.05.03
Well, the artist and the gallery probably had some sort of accessory function - making it possible for somebody to blend goldfishes, creating a context in which it seemed acceptable to blend goldfish, something of that nature - but it does seem a little strange. Perhaps the closest comparison I can think of offhand is Marina Abramovic, who on at least one occasion invited visitors to an art gallery to act upon her body with a series of provided props. I think the gallery called the performance to a halt when it looked like somebody might actually be in danger of shooting her; point being that the lens of art had rendered the situation outwith standard codes of action.

This sounds similar. But, ultimately, although the gallery might be seen as irresponsible, or the artist as obvious, it sounds like the responsibility should rest with the guy who blended the goldfish. After all, isn't that the point of the work?
 
 
Persephone
17:03 / 20.05.03
Don't you think that the artist had already negotiated in his head the cost that would be incurred in the case of someone actually pushing the button, since it was left entirely open as a possibility? I mean the life of the goldfish, not fines or other punishments. It just seems that the value of the goldfish's life was already calculated as expendable. So how much tension is there really? It hardly defies anything. People buy goldfish to feed their pet pirhanas without a second thought. So that kind of makes the work less interesting right off the bat, apart from the goldfish looking pretty swimming in the blender. It's supposed to be a work about transgression, but it's really just about staying in a predetermined safe zone. (For the artist, obviously. Not the fish.)
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:56 / 20.05.03
It certainly doesn't seem terribly transgressive, although the Danish authorities seem to disagree. Then again, rats are purchased to feed to snakes, but presumably sticking one in a blender would still be considered a very different way to be responsible for ending the life of the rat, yes? The question then has to be if art is as valid a reason to put a goldfish in a position of mortal peril as the desire to own a healthy and well-fed piranha.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
19:02 / 20.05.03
Clearly, the button-pusher was led astray by this "artist". I say we cut all arts funding. Er.

I'm sure there's a well-defined difference between having the right to do something, and the legal right to do something, isn't there? (I guess this is related to the ethics of civil disobedience?) I mean, the artist could have said that artists have the right (perhaps the responsibility) to create works which defy etc. etc., and happily gone off to jail to prove his point. The attempt to use "it's art!" as a reason not to pay the fine undercuts his claim, I think.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
02:50 / 21.05.03
I think there's a distinct difference between feeding a goldfish to another animal and squishing it in a blender but that would lead this thread entirely off topic and really goes in to the big moral questions that surround animal rights.

The point is that blending a living fish is the action of a tosser but concieving of the blending of a fish is derived from an episode of 2 point 4 children and that's just... *speechless*
 
 
Smoothly
11:15 / 21.05.03
I'd have thought that blending a goldfish is no more cruel than dragging one around its neighbourhood with a hook in its face. But maybe that's just me.

Didn't Damien Hirst win the Turner Prize for killing thousands of flies? Did anyone raise the cruelty issue then, or are flies a completely different kettle of water?
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:12 / 22.05.03
Does it matter that this is really, really bad "art," if it even deserves to be called such? I would fucking throw the bastard in jail for aesthetic assualt and battery, for advancing this z-grade pysch experiment as "art."

Maybe if the goldfish were in a Phillipe Starck blender from Target, then it would be art.

Perhaps we should start a thread about conceptual art*, and what type of conceptual projects deserve to be called art and what type don't. The thread would naturally devolve into some sort of mushy "what is art/art is undefinable" type thing, but I think it would be interesting to read a thread about such a contentious subject in which people actually took positions based on their personal aesthetic preferences rather than adopting the role of a "disinterested" interlocuter.

(* I'd do it but I'm going away for a week and wouldn't be able to look after it.)
 
 
Jack Fear
16:25 / 22.05.03
...but I think it would be interesting to read a thread about such a contentious subject in which people actually took positions based on their personal aesthetic preferences rather than adopting the role of a "disinterested" interlocuter.

D'you think so? Because I hear bold sweeping proclamations about what is and isn't "art," based on nothing but the speakers personal prejudices, all the fucking time—on message boards, on call-in shows, in letters-to-the-editor.

I don't see what interest or value a thread of such screeds could have: it would be needlessly divisive, and would ultimately settle nothing, serving rather to reinforce, rather than shatter, the notion that there's no accounting for taste.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:41 / 22.05.03
As opposed to the value this kind of knee-jerk response has?

You're an idiot.

First, you equate personal opinion ("taste") with screeds, divisiveness, and talk radio. Have you no concept of informed opinion? Do you not read criticism at all?

Second, you apparently think that the only purpose of a discussion of art is to "settle" an issue.

Third, you're a fucking idiot.

Fourth, if you have no interest in where (educated) people other than yourself (arbitrarily) draw aesthetic boundaries, what could you possibly have to offer anyone artistically or critically?

Five, the fact that you think the issue boils down to "there's no accounting for taste" and that as such, is not worth talking about different types of taste is only evidence that you're a clapped-out, closed-minded old fart.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:59 / 22.05.03
Thanks for making my point for me.
 
 
C.Elseware
10:19 / 02.06.03
It is an artists job (maybe) to make people think, to challenge boundries and take risks.

If they wish to push the boundries of public decency then they will be punished by society. That's part and parcel.

If you push society it'll push back. Real hard. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be a rebel, just that you should accept the consequencies.

I read an article by Christopher S. Hyatt in a book called "Rebels and Devils" http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1561841536 which discussed how society needs a small percentage of "social deviants". If society is ready to be changed then it will be. If not then the deviants will fall by the way, forgotten. Like random mutations in genes you keep pushing in random directions until something works. But for every Galileo and Socrates you have to realise that there will be a million jerks. The problem is that you can only tell retrospecively.

If you ask me, the artist is one of those jerks. But he did try.

Now, what I'd have done is wired the switch on the blender to a small electric shock generator. Enough to be unpleasant.

OR

Put a button which took about 5 minutes to pop out again, and tell people that it would take a certain pre-selected number of pushes to kill the fish, so any single person wouldn't be responsible. That would generate a more interesting dicussion, or require 10 buttons to be held down at once, so that 10 people had to be complicit.
 
 
Jack Fear
12:50 / 02.06.03
I read somehwre that it's traditional for one rifle in a firing squad to be loaded with blanks. Traditional, and perhaps necessary for the psychological well-being of the executioners.
 
 
C.Elseware
13:56 / 02.06.03
I heard the equal-opposite; that all but one rifle was loaded with blanks.
 
  
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