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I still dream of Organon

 
 
Ganesh
22:44 / 19.05.03
Recent mentions of orgone and 'character armour' in some of the Conversation's sex-related threads have reignited my previous (rather passing) interest in the theories of Wilhelm Reich. I'd first come across his work when, as an earnest teen, I 'read around' the lyrics of Kate Bush's 'Cloudbusting', then there was Pat Mills' short-lived 'Sex Warriors' strip in the UK's 'Toxic' comic - and I learned a little about orgone therapy as a footnote to my postgraduate psychiatry degree.

So... fairly disparate reference points - and, of course, I didn't have the benefit of the Internet back then. The Internet's a mixed blessing, though, particularly given the slew of conflicting viewpoints (and apparently poisonous personal rivalries) within those who've gone on to develop Reich's theories.

I'd be grateful if any Barbeloids can help me out here:

1) I've read that, when Reich's experiments were replicated using modern measuring devices, the results were all explicable by classical Physics. Does anyone know where I'd find reports on these replicated experiments? (My Google-fu has failed me).

2) Can any more knowledgeable Reichian type (and I'm looking at you, Illmatic) cut through some of the obfuscatory bitchslapping and give me a quick rundown of the politics within the Orgonomy movement?

3) Anyone tried building a Cloudbuster? Did it work?
 
 
Linus Dunce
22:52 / 19.05.03
3) I did once. It was, wow, unbelievable.
 
 
Ganesh
23:03 / 19.05.03
Unbelievable in what way, Ignatius?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
11:52 / 20.05.03
I'd be highly suspicious of research into Reich's work - he's still such a taboo topic that it's probably still at the 'debunk the devil' stage. Having said that, I'm skeptical about some of the more outlandish claims made about his work - many of which he himself never made. There's a bio called Fury On Earth which I read a while back, may even have discussed here.

I tend to think that he was pretty much doomed because he - a lefty jewish european - tried to tell rightish protestant Americans about SEX.

The 'character armour' and 'emotional plague' aspects of his work - which spanned several careers, each of which ended in some kind of banishment and a new start - appeal to me immensely. I also can't help but notice that the various disciplines he engaged with each give different dates for when he went off the rails - basically, as soon as he challenges an orthodoxy within a discipline, he gets shunted to the next one as a loon.

Which he may have been.

Be very interested in anything you find.
 
 
Linus Dunce
19:49 / 20.05.03
Well, it was out on the wiley, windy moors ...
 
 
illmatic
09:09 / 21.05.03
Lovely thread title, btw.

1) I think Nick’s right, Fury on Earth by Myron Sharaf is the best place to start. You’ll find a lot of the information you’re looking for in there. Sharaf (who passed away recently, I think) was a pupil of Reich’s back in the 50’s and was unofficially appointed as the “historian” of orgonomy. He later had some fallings out with Reich (detailed in the book) but this didn’t stop him from producing the definitive biography. It’s a real labour of love, and a vital reference for anyone interested in Reich’s work. He covers Reich’s life chronologically, giving separate chapters to Reich’s personal and social life, his political/psychiatric work and his scientific work (including his contact with Einstein!). I think he’s very fair handed in the science chapters, and provides details of Reich’s claims, criticism and experiments purporting to disprove these, and in turn, Reich’s response to his critics. Sharaf isn’t on a hard sell “this-is-the-truth” trip with Reich, he remains quite critical of some of his ideas, but what does come through is that a lot of “lazy science” and prejudice were in evidence when some of Reich’s claims were under investigation.

For instance, with regard to Reich’s invention, the orgone accumulator, experimental trials were only carried out once or twice, and not under the conditions Reich specified. The “proof” against this idea isn’t conclusive, as Sharaf presents it. (I’m going from memory here so I might be wrong, will post a correction later if need be). Sharaf uses Reich as an example of a “paradigm shift”, following Thomas Kuhn. Reich’s workis a unified whole, but comes from a completely different headspace (“paradigm”) than that of “normal” science, with fundamentally different baseline assumptions, so it’s no wonder it’s disbelieved and subject to ridicule. I’d like to be proved wrong, but I doubt if there are any experiments conclusively disproving any aspects of his work, I supect most of the people who say this are still trading off the FDA experiments carried out in the 50’s which Sharaf criticises. This is what I mean by “lazy science” – it’s the kind of notion that passes from book to book with (as far as I know) precious little evidence. After all – why would you investigate something that you know is wrong?

Sharaf states in his introduction that little work has done to repeat Reich’s experiments. This was back in ’83, and I think things have changed a lot since them.
James DeMeo’s site is probably a good place to start. DeMeo mentions a list of over 400 or so citations that he has published (not on the net, as far a I can tell), alongside a number of other positives references to orgonomy in this essay.

2) I can’t really answer this one, I’m afraid, I’m not up on the coming and goings of the orgomic community. One reason for avoiding it is the conflicts that you mentioned.

My main source of info on Reich’s stuff is a friend who I met while writing my dissertation (which was on Reich), who trained with Ola Raknes (a student of Reich’s back in the 40’s).He has an incomplete website up somewhere, listing his publications which I will post as soon as I can remember the bloody URL! In the meantime, if you fancy a read of some of this stuff, drop me a PM. May bring some to the next Barb meet

3) Never used a cloudbuster, but I have used an orgone accumulator. It was pretty amazing stuff. I didn’t even have to sit inside it. I could feel a “cloud” of energy, similar to static electricity, coming from inside the box. The sensation was as clear as putting my hand in a bath of water. I’m aware this makes me sound like a candidate for the loony bin, but that was my experience. It’s like a lot of Reich’s work, it sounds so fantastical that only direct experience will give it any credence. Of course, this doesn’t verify all of Reich’s work – there may well be an alternative explanation for this phenomena, but only more experimentation will verify this one way or the other.

I’ve also had a lot confirming experience of Reich’s therapeutic ideas, working on my own “character armour” mostly using the exercises in this book which are pretty amazing. I’m not saying this “armour” has gone, all I can say is that at least I’m a lot more aware of it, which is a start.

Even if you think this is all bullshit, it’s worth reading about Reich – if all his work is a delusion, it’s certainly an amazingly grandiose one. He had a pretty incredible life even though it ended so tragically.
 
 
illmatic
09:16 / 21.05.03
I got those links wrong somehow - they are

www.orgonelab.org

www.orgonelab.org/gardner.htm

The book is Chris Hyatt's "Undoing yourself with Energised Meditation".
 
 
illmatic
16:12 / 21.05.03
Having a google, I found this which I thought was of interest, from an interview with Kate Bush:

Q: The boxed set rarities include Cloudbusting's so-called 'Organon mix'. The song was based on A Book Of Dreams, Peter Reich's memoirs of his father, Wilhelm Reich, who held that sexual energy could be transformed into what he called 'orgone' energy. Yes?

"If I've got this right, he believed that sexual energy was positive, usable energy, that he tied in with this concept of orgone energy. He upset a lot of people when he started selling orgone boxes, saying they could cure cancer and stuff. He ended up being arrested and put in prison.
I knew nothing about Wilhelm when I read the book, which was his son's experience of all this, written from a child's point of view with a tremendous innocence and sadness. Years ago, I just went into a shop and picked it off the shelf, and really liked the title and the picture on the front. I'd never bought a book before which I hadn't known anything about; I just felt I'd found something really special. And nine, 10 years later, I re-read it and it turned into a song. When it was finished, I wrote a letter to Peter Reich saying what I'd done. It was important to me in some way to have a sense of his blessing because his book really moved me. He sent back such a lovely letter. It was an incredible feeling of returning something he'd given to me."


I must get a copy of that book, I've read a few chapters and it's brilliant. Kate's not totally got her facts right, but, I'll let it go before I sound like a curmudgeonly old Reichian granddad.

I was going to add as well, having had a deeper look at James DeMeo's site listed above, all this stuff he lists isn't necessarily to be found in Reich's work (I'm sure he'd say there's a natural progression though). I linked it because of all the research he's got listed. He sounds like ya man for cloudbusting though.

Somewhat histronic and defensive tone to the site as well, I thought, the rivalries etc coming out as Ganesh mentions above. Bit of topic, but I wonder why these sort of conflicts always seem to manifest in marginal groups, especially the "inheritors" of tradition. Perhaps the small size of the moevements involved leads to territory being fought over, everyone striving to be the "one true voice"?
 
 
cusm
18:30 / 21.05.03
I could feel a “cloud” of energy, similar to static electricity, coming from inside the box. The sensation was as clear as putting my hand in a bath of water.

I had the opportunity to stick my hand in front of one of these once as well. About the same reaction. Felt a bit like a cool breeze. Hard to describe, but certainly something. Haven't really had the chance to mess with the stuff much since, though I note I've felt similar reactions to folks practicing Reiki.
 
 
Ganesh
21:45 / 13.09.04
Rediscovered this thread when Illmatic linked to it from a Temple thread - and finally got around to ordering 'Fury on Earth'.

May yet get round to making that orgone accumulator...
 
 
Lionheart
14:10 / 16.09.04
It's been a while since I've read anything Reichian so please refresh my memory:

Is an orgone accumulator a box with metal on the outside and organic material on the inside? Or the opposite? And can I make one out of a loaf of bread and aluminium foil?
 
 
The Knights Templar Boogie Machine
22:53 / 16.09.04
I'm going to build up a jar with the relevant materials as detailed in the other thread and try the test. Reichs work has interested me for a long time, but i've never had chance to test out his ideas. Infuriatingly, access to a full size accumulator is'nt exactly easy, unless i travel afar or i purchase one for some stupid amount from www.orgonics.com .
 
 
Lord Morgue
08:42 / 17.09.04
I think the chamber was multilayered. And he had a helmet! Stuffed with straw!
Ooh, I just remembered Phillip José Farmer used Orgone in his Kilgore Trout ghostfic Venus on the Half Shell- sexually energising blue radiation that was soaked up by organic matter.
Does anyone recall his theory of atomic structure? Something to do with certain particles being hard to analyse because they hide each other?
 
 
eye landed
11:12 / 20.10.04
how to build an orgone accumulator
 
 
grant
17:42 / 21.10.04
going back to the original post: I learned a little about orgone therapy as a footnote to my postgraduate psychiatry degree.


Eh?
 
 
Ganesh
18:05 / 21.10.04
Well, we learned about Reich's reasonably well-respected psychotherapeutic theories of 'character armour' and so on - which led on to the stuff about orgone.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
11:17 / 23.10.04
be careful with the accumulators

mt experience was that I ignored the warnings that an ORAC should not be used near overhead electric power lines

DeMeo suggests, that you should be several miles away from these or other strong Electro magnetic sources and tens of miles away from nuclear power plants etc

mine was a shooter....small accumulator, that had a steel funnel that directed the orgone energy. Definately felt sensayion as i pointed it to a rash on my arm......sadly the rash spread buy i entirely blame my over eager ignoring of the safety measures in DeMeo's book

i was stupid

forgive the poor typing, i have broken a finger and reduced to one handed typing (and clapping but i can't hear anything)

be careful with ORAC's and definately do not take your mobile/cell in with you
 
 
Bill Posters
15:43 / 23.10.04
If you can get it, Colin Wilson's biography of Reich is worth reading (if rather annoying).

I really don't know, there are so many different aspects to Reich's work, ranging from the psychoanalytic through to the bio-physical, meteorological and astronomical. In turn these are all subject to potential interpretations couched in terms of worldviews which range from mainstream scientific right through to flagrantly magickal. IMHO, agnosticism is the only way to study the fellow and stay sane. So apart from my confusion, all I have to add to this thread is that William Burroughs used to say that when he sat in an Orgone Accumulator, he came in his pants.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
19:48 / 23.10.04
I seem to remember that a lady reporter who had asked Reich to treat her (he refused) was the person who brought the accusations against Reich that eventually led to his troubles and eventual imprisonment

again, if memory serves me correctly, one of te accusations was that Reich had professed his orgone accumulators could cure cancer and relieve frigidity and impotence

Reich denied this and said that whilst warm and pleasrable and whilst the use of an ORAC might indeed break down a tumour or cyst or produce sexual feelings/pleasure......this was not a panacea and without
accompanying therapeutic interventions, the problem was likely to return

Burroughs , probably (and i have little knowledge of the man) was pretty healthy or at least happy with his psyche, so it is concievable that as Reich admitted, sexual feelings could have been stirred (sorry if i am way off with my guess here....besides cut ups, i have no experience of the man or his work....let alone his personality)

'......Ganesh'......I suppose as a psychiatrist, it must be frustrating if you have any faith in the methodology Reich employed in his bodywork, not to see it more widely accepted (IF indeed you do see any merit in his psychiatric/therapeutic work....i am hoping that you will comment upon your opinion on this)

I have heard that his methods and similar work by Alexander Lowen are more widely accepted and practiced in Germany
 
 
Querelle
18:24 / 18.11.04
Has anyone besides Joe had any experience using these relatively near overhead power lines or other electromagnetic sources? I've had DeMeo's "Orgone Accumulator Handbook" for years, and have wanted to build one, but it seems like you basically have to live in the deep woods to be free of interference. I mean, where on earth are you going to be miles away from power lines? Even in the country, power lines run along most roads.
 
 
Joetheneophyte
19:11 / 18.11.04
I suspect that that is why my own experience was that my rash actually worsened.

I remember conversing with a guy in the South of England who had a friend who lived in a pretty rural area and well away from electric powerlines (I seem to remember it was somewhere in Oxfordshire)

Anyway, he and I did agree that it is virtually impossible in England to get 5 or more miles away from overhead powerlines. A lot of Cumrbria is out due to the Nuclear power plant (Seascale or whatever it is called)
I seem to remember that in the Orgone Accumulator handbook, Demeo insists that you need to be at least 40 miles away from such structures

Scotland is probably your best bet but with the weather, you are probably only going to get a couple of months a year where conditions favour the use of an ORAC (ie no rain)

The guy in Oxfordshire:
He successfully cured himself of a testicular cyst using an ORAC

BUT I don't know whether I would risk such a thing unless absolutely desperate as from my own experience, there might be a worsening of the condition and in such an ermmm' private and embarrassing place

I believe DeMeo actually sells or at least puts you in touch with companies that sell Electromagnetic and nuclear detection devices. Presumably he would be happy if you were to send him the money, to give you advice about the lower levels permissable for safe Orgone work. The nuclear detection advice was from memory quite expensive



I found DeMeo quite curt and to the point when I have spoken and emailed him but his literature is good and I am sure he would point you in the right direction. I am a bit of a waffler so I probably bored him to death with my questions and my tendency to go off topic


Why don't you try the Bion Packs, Demeo suggests. Again from memory, I seem to remember that these are less influenced by ambient EM and nucler pollution (be careful and don't use the microwave to heat it up!)

Sorry if that sounded patronising but I am working from memory not having read that book for a few years. Let me know how you get on


Joe
 
 
Alex's Grandma
18:15 / 22.11.04
Burroughs, probably... was pretty healthy or happy with his psyche

Well it's possible I suppose - he doesn't exactly fit into the tortured artist pardigm, he's generally speaking a bit stranger than that, but, at the same time, if he was using an orgone accumulator over an extended period, I'd doubt it.

If you've got the spare time Joe, I'd recommend virtually anything by William Burroughs, but in particular Naked Lunch, Queer, Exterminator and The Western Lands trilogy, and also the biography Literary Outlaw by Ted Morgan. And if you're anywhere near a decent video shop, the film Commissioner Of Sewers is well worth a go. He was a great man, Uncle Bill, and not having him in your life is an oversight you should definitely think about correcting as soon as humanly possible, if not sooner.
 
 
pornotaxi
20:07 / 30.11.04
He was a great man, Uncle Bill, and not having him in your life is an oversight you should definitely think about correcting as soon as humanly possible

how eloquently put, alex. nice one. i'm raising my glass to your toast.
 
  
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