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I think it's time for new magical systems

 
  

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Spyder Todd 2008
17:12 / 26.05.03
Crazy: But what is beyond Chaos Magick/Sorcery, the final admittance to a complete lack of deities and full 'other than' conscious responsibility?

Enlightenment? I had sort of hoped to say something big and important before I depart for London for a couple weeks, but I really have no idea. The only thing I can think of is Buddhistic enlightenment, maybe...
 
 
The Fetch
19:43 / 26.05.03
First - I agree with the sentiments of the original posting, although it is equally quite difficult to create something "so new" considering the limited tooks we have to work with in such a confined (terrestial) realm.

But I see that such is possible.

The first step that I did in creating the Isisian System is first to research the Ancients to understand if there were any energetical links to the systems in play and if so, could they be united into a comprehensive system predicated on the Letters of English solely. To this end, we see a growing sea of "English Qaballists" rising to fill this void. What I dont see in most studies in this "metaphysical science" is a framework upon which to build.

In the earliest days of my research, what made sense to me was that the Alphabet should be framework for any "new" system. This belief is not without precedent. Masonic (Initiated Order) information has already secreted the formula's of

ISIS = 9+19+9+19 = 19+16+5+5+3+8 = SPEECH
and
OSIRIS = 15+19+9+18+9+19 = 89 = 18+5+12+9+7+9+15+14 = RELIGION

This concept of there being a religion predicated on the esoterics of Speech, wherein "spoken word traditions" would be equated with Isis, who sign is that of the Air, as represented by the SWORD (S-WORD = Spoken Word), and that of Religion, or the WRITTEN Word, as symbolised by the Penis, or the Pen, and Osiris.

The palindrome of WRITTEN is NETTIRW, or the Egyptian concept of the Neteru, which means "eternit(Y)", which itself can be spun "magically in an invokation" into the word ETERNIT = NETERU in an anagrammic formula. So through a focused study of Letters, we can, it is presumed, master the concept of concious spell creation using ancient formulas with a modern concious awareness, and the system would be predicated wholly and soley on English Letters/Alphabet, and effecting a series of transposition codes as needed to keep our system in absolute mathematical balance on a concious level.

There is precedent to attack the problem in such a mental framework, for the power of a magicial lies in the power of his spells and concious focus to project them. In doing this, we need to, again, study the Ancients. Thoth is said to have created the Letters and taught them to Isis (Speech). Thus there is an implication that the letters existed before speech, and that speech (ISIS) is derived from THOTH, wherein the silent letters to THOTH is the idea of G-T, or the word THO(UGH)T.

As we study the ancients, there is, indeed, many clear channels regarding this idea of Letters as an esoteric science interspersed with the Written Word. In the work "Infancy Gospel of Thomas", written around CE 140-170, we have an interesting passage about another "magicial", that known in history as Jesus, which writes of the period of Jesus youth. The following story highlights the essence of the Letters as an esoteric doctrine, wherein this encounter is said to have occured when Jesus was 5 years old.

"VI. 1 Now a certain teacher, Zacchaeus by name, stood there and he heard in part when Jesus said these things to his father and he marvelled greatly that being a young child he spake such matters. 2 And after a few days he came near unto Joseph and said unto him: Thou hast a wise child, and he hath understanding. Come, deliver him to me that he may learn letters. And I will teach him with the letters all knowledge and that he salute all the elders and honour them as grandfathers and fathers, and love them of his own years. 3 And he told him all the letters from Alpha even to Omega clearly, with much questioning. But Jesus looked upon Zacchaeus the teacher and saith unto him: Thou that knowest not the Alpha according to its nature, how canst thou teach others the Beta? thou hypocrite, first, if thou knowest it, teach the Alpha, and then will we believe thee concerning the Beta. Then began he to confound the mouth of the teacher concerning the first letter, and he could not prevail to answer him."

This story highlights the importance that the various Initiated Orders have and continue to place in alphabets, being that alphabets are the initial archetypical symbols that enable mind to be frozen (written) in time. Letters as a process of spell casting are equally the chief means through which a magician within the Isisian arts effects his/her power.

To this end, we have worked to bring the Isisian Codes to a layer interest among a few interested in developing their own systems. They act, in a computer sense, as a "developers tool", and as far as I can see, the variations as to what can ultimately developed lies soley with the creativity of the crafter who has mastered the Letters.

The Fetch
 
 
Who's your Tzaddi?
19:30 / 27.05.03
The Sacred Pantheon of the 20th century
 
 
C.Elseware
08:21 / 28.05.03
Gods from the media. Characters representing archetypes which we understand far better than the "old gods".

I recently had a long chat with 'rat' about an idea for a new trio of archetypes. We tried to relate them to tarot but it didn't really work as they're not the same(!).

The honourable leader. On a mission. Self righteous. Self-sacrificing. (Kirk, Blake, Buffy, Gandalf, Duncan, Dylan Hunt)

The cynical companion. Self serving. Claims to be disinterested and only interested in doing what is most beneficial to them/most "rational", but their actions often bely this. The most powerful, but hard to convince to do anything outside their chosen path. (Spock, Avon, Spike, Aragorn, Methos, Tyr)

The flawed genius. Horribly specialised. The best in their chosen field but with huge flaws such as physical disabilities, cowardice and addicitions. Also the most "human" and a balance for the fanatacism of the leader and the cynacism of the other. (Bones, Vila, Xander, Pippen, Joe, Trance).

Of course not all the examples work 100%, but enough to give a concept of these archetypes.

A different way of pulling from the media; if ever I feel the urge to do a "quick paranoid banishing", that is to say, make sure that the space I'm in's nice and relaxed so I can watch TV in comfort, I usually use spooky:



He is a thing what squeeks.
 
 
Professor Silly
15:48 / 28.05.03
You know, it's all really quite simple. We can measure the success of any magical system by the length of time it survives. Likewise with the power of any particular magician--the longer their work influences further generations, the more powerful said magician was.

So anyone can knock Crowley, or the Jews, or even the Egyptians...but the fact we still mention them only goes to show how powerful they were.

So knock yourselves out, ye Lovers of Chaos!!! The proof is in the pudding--and if people still talk about your work and contributions to the science of magick after your death...then you'll know you succeeded. If noone ever cares and your work goes unnoticed by the rest of the world...then you'll know you are a failure, and most like stark raving mad.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
20:08 / 28.05.03
First off: I WANT A SPOOKY!!!!

Secondly: I'm afraid I disagree with years of fame equalling quality of system. The best system is the system that works. And if a system works people aren't going to share it too readily. It will be secret and will probably die out when the one or two disciples of the great secret die out or are burnt as witches. IF I wanted fame then that would be a way of judging if I had the best system for being famous not the best system of magick. What do I care for a system that gets me famous when I'm dead how is that going to help me now?
 
 
Phex: Dorset Doom
20:32 / 28.05.03
"I once invoked William S. Burroughs, my favorite writer, to help me get over writer's block. It must have worked because he appeared to me in a dream that night and told me a great story idea."
Okay, so I'm a latecomer to the thread, so sue me.
How exactly was this ritual done? I remember Grant Morrison talking about the Lennon-summoning ritual in 'Comic Book writers on Comics Book writing', he would play Tommorow Never Knows on his guitar and drop acid. I suppose the Burroughs variant would be to listen to Jazz and shoot smack, which is only half appealing. Is it specifically Burroughs you're targeting or one of his alter-egos and aliases, Fiction suits, I should say, e.g Bill Lee, El Hombre Invisble, Clem Snide?
I've always had a slight problem with celebrity summoning - is it done the same way as you'd summon Baphomet/Ganesh or does it have more a seyance vibe - contacting the 'ghost' of a dead idol (admittedly, trancing yourself into the hallucination of contact) Are there any risks involved, such as summoning somebody who died miserable, like Ian Curtis or Kurt Cobain?
 
 
cusm
20:52 / 28.05.03
and I wonder how many people actually DID cut out that demons of stupidity panel and placed it on their computer.

I've got the 12" cardboard cutout of St. Dogbert still on my workstation at work, actually.

On modern pantheons, I like the Justice League, for similar reasons as the loony toons. Better, as they are directly translatable into classic mythic figures. Superman and Wonderwoman as the chief god and goddess, flash as mercury, batman as the immoral potential of mankind's aspiration to progress, etc.

But if we're about saying Fuck This and that, and trying to build new systems, why are we still using the same systems as everyone else ever did? Why not Fuck Gods altogether? The realization and achievement of the magician is the understanding of his own divinity. Immanence (InManEssence). We exist as a part of God and as sentient creatures aware of the divinity within ourselves are in fact God aware of hirself.

I strugle with the idea of using gods at all, that this practice is itself a trap keeping one from enlightenment. Yet they're so handy... I think my use of dieties should be more to emulate and become that diety, expressing those elements they represent myself in my actions in life. Like Ms. Monroe, actually. I think if we are to progress into something new, we have to find the way to move beyond these ancient structures of parental god figures, and grow up ourselves as our own dieties.
 
 
Professor Silly
14:45 / 31.05.03
No, seriously.

If a system doesn't work, it will die out...quickly. If a system does work, it will survive longer and be spread person to person and become a historical entity on it's own.

For example, Christianity probably boasts more mystics than any other system. Specifically in Christian Monostaries, where the monks used a very effective system to alter their consciousness, many mystics successfully contacted the "godhead." Their names are known to most of us: St. Francis of Assisi, St. Augustus, St. Augustana,. Now, the fact that this system allowed enough people to successfully duplicate the experiences of the Christ ensured the survival of Christianity.

On the flip side of the coin, those people in the past that did not successfully create a new system have never entered the historical record, and we therefore don't know of them. I think the three generation rule, as discussed by R.A. Wilson (in regards to scientific development) can be applied here. If someone's system sticks around for three generations, then they obviously had some level of success. So today we have lots of different folk trying different things, and even if each of them stand up yelling "Success! I have achieved oneness with the universe and have a message for mankind" we can not initially judge the validity of each at that moment. Fast forward fifty years of more and one will have a much better idea of who was really successful.

...'cause after all, what's the point of reaching Nirvana if one can't teach someone else to do the same?
 
 
—| x |—
15:00 / 31.05.03
"The realization and achievement of the magician is the understanding of his own divinity. Immanence (InManEssence). We exist as a part of God and as sentient creatures aware of the divinity within ourselves are in fact God aware of hirself."

Amen, brother!

"I strugle with the idea of using gods at all, that this practice is itself a trap keeping one from enlightenment."

This is the approach I take: I don't work with any deities. To me, it's more about how I work within the relation of Self and Other.
 
 
cusm
17:24 / 31.05.03
"Success! I have achieved oneness with the universe and have a message for mankind"

Even if someone did, nobody would care. The message has been the same one for thousands of years for each person who gets it. We don't need a messiah to tell us to be good to each other, understand that we are a part of something larger, and that we should try to be happy. We already know that. Enlightenment is pop. It just isn't sexy anymore when the message isn't a new one. So there really isn't any need for a new system to tell us the same thing. The market is flooded already.

Maybe what we need to do is refine it to where at age 18 the process can be reduced to filling your head with acid and stuffing the procedure into you so everyone can go through their moment of enlightenment right out of school and get it over with early. Maybe then we can stop being so preoccupied with it and move on to making it work.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
19:31 / 31.05.03
dAb you are right. But I don't agree with you. A system that works for everyone needs to survive three generations. I only need one that works for me and it only needs to survive until i make a better one.
 
 
Rev. Wright
22:58 / 31.05.03
'Being in the presense'
 
 
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23:43 / 31.05.03
The Burroughs thing? That was freestyling, it was my first ritual, I didn't even know much about what I was doing. I made a circle around me of all the Burroughs books I had... in the center was an alter made up of gay porn magazines... there were pictures of naked men all around me. A boombox behind me was playing his cut-up experiments... on the alter was a cat statue (Burroughs loved cats), the first Burroughs book I ever got, "naked lunch" (anointed with semen in this case), a typewriter (as Burroughs was a writer)Re/Search's book on Burroughs, and a tape recorder (Burroughs had an obsession with those things). For a wand and a sword I used a pen and pencil (come to think of it I did the same thing with that Pan thing I did). I guess it was kinda a traditional ritual in the fact I had the 4 elements involved also. I tried to dress up reasonably fashionable and I was wearing a pair of glasses. I read the spell (which had been cut up in the Gysin style) and I recited it in my Burroughs impersonation. that was pretty much it. No big fire works, except the dream I had later on that night.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
00:35 / 01.06.03
That sounds like an excellent ritual.
 
 
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02:04 / 01.06.03
I will admit it was partially ripped off from Morrison's Lennon thing.

Come to think of it, drugs and guns would of added to the whole thing too, seeing Burroughs liked those two things quite a bit. But I hate guns and don't do drugs, so that was out. Still, I do want to try DMT one day. I want to see machine elves with my own eyes rather then just read about 'em.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
23:20 / 10.06.03
Well, this is certainly a different place then where I left. That's good though, change is what this is about.

Cusm, I agree with you, no one really cares much about enlightenment these days(a shame, really). I don't know if we should even bother with trying to reach it and get others to reach it; it's inside of you, so only you can reach it.
 
 
Salamander
02:52 / 11.06.03
Enlightenments alright, just as long as you don't share it, like sharing the details of an amazingly fetishistic night of sex, not everyone wants to hear about it. Magick these days is at the poit were any system is only of utility if it works, and if it fits the taste of the magician. I've thought about starting a websight that would publish works and recountings of rituals like a science journal publishes the results of experiments, would anyone be interested in that, if so then I'll look into it.
 
 
illmatic
07:24 / 11.06.03
no one really cares much about enlightenment these days

Don't know about that myself - are you sure your not just generalisng out from people on the Choas Magick "scene"? I get much more out of reading (say) Tantic Buddhism than I do out of most Western magickal texts.

And to go back to Cusm's comments:
So there really isn't any need for a new system to tell us the same thing.

I agree totally, we might as well try and understand the systems we've got. This is why I'm a bit wary of the whole "I can invent my own system in an afternoon" approach. I'm mean sure you can, and 10/10 for creativity, but won't you just be repeating what you've read in the standard magickal texts about sigils, servitors and gods but just giving 'em new names? The people who kicked off Chaos Magick had made a study of the traditonal forms and found them wanting - ie. they knew what they were reacting against.
 
 
Quantum
09:41 / 11.06.03
I care about enlightenment, and in fact I don't see how anyone can use magic and not. The Path you follow, the magick, leads towrds something- that thing is enlightenment. Magick is a means to an end and enlightenment is that end.

On Gods, any god you make up is going to be a pansy compared to the ones millions of people have believed in for thousands of years, fought killed and died for, worshipped feared and loved. Mr Penguin is not comparable to Wotan, say.

I've thought about starting a websight that would publish works and recountings of rituals like a science journal publishes the results of experiments, would anyone be interested in that, if so then I'll look into it. HN
That would be wicked!
 
 
Professor Silly
16:56 / 11.06.03
From my reading I've come to the conclusion that any magick done without eventual enlightment in mind constitutes black magick.

Not that I'm saying "it's wrong" to go that route...as a friend of mine would say: "Do what thou wilt...just do over there."

I'm in this for enlightment, so I can turn around and make the world a better place (as Jack Frost said, "I'll fix it! Let me fix it...I want to fix it all...I want to make it all right...it's horrible...just let me fix it..." and Barbelith's response: "then fix yourself.") Until I read through this thread, I didn't realize that there were magicians out there who were in this art/science for other reasons! Just goes to show, I tend to assume the best about everyone, and am often surprised by individual choices.
 
 
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18:04 / 11.06.03
When I was younger I thought I could change the world (as did my parents). However, now I'm a little more jaded. I don't think I myself can make any big changes.

However, there was one issue of Transmetropolitan where Spider Jerusalem said that he couldn't change anything, but if he could at least influence the people who can make changes, then he'd have done something. That's pretty much my attitude, for the most part. As an artist, hopefully I'll be able to at least cause some minute changes.

As for black magic, that's mostly opinion anyway. Why should magic just be for enlightenment? I mean, I use it to help out with the daily annoyances I deal with 24/7, and there's nothing enlightening about that, in those cases it's just a helpful set of techniques. The most enlightening things I've ever read include The Invisibles, various science books and gnostic texts. Some magic can be enlightening, yes, but in some cases it's just an ordinary part of my day.

As for the initial start of this thread, in retrospect it may have been a knee-jerk reaction to that "May warning" thread and all the people going on there about the Mayan calendar and what not. Anyway, don't take anything I say too seriously.
 
 
Aertho
19:31 / 11.06.03
So perhaps, what Sypha and others are pondering is the establishment of a new integral yellow-meme methodology to magickal study? We seem to be beating our heads against the roof, and it's simple that it's not a new house we need, but perhaps another level upstairs?
 
 
Seth
19:38 / 11.06.03
I hate the term *enlightenment.*

You get older. Sometimes you might think of stuff, maybe realise things. You go through hard times and sometimes learn from them. Some people like to learn about things, find out stuff. There are sometimes moments when life makes more sense that it does at others. Hopefully these things might constitute some kind of trend that leads towards an increasing understanding of yourself and the world. Maybe you might find that you're increasingly more at peace, you're capable of living your life the way you want to. You may even have an epiphany, or epiphanies.

*Enlightenment* has all these elitist, priviledged initiate connotations that make my skin crawl. It's suggestive of attaining stage of development that signals an end to further progression. It has the same self-righteous exclusivity as terms like *saved.* It implies the existence of those who are *unenlightened* - you're either in or you're out. As a primarily mystic term it haughtily reserves wisdom and insight for the spiritually inclined, as opposed to recognising the value in anyone's self-discovery, mystic or not. It essentially means *one who has seen the light,* which has an uncomfortable ring of absolutism.

OK, point made. I kinda prefer the term individuation (which is better but not perfect).
 
 
Quantum
11:01 / 12.06.03
Weird, I don't get that sense of absolutism from it- individuation sounds too much like Psych talk to me, like 'empowerment' and 'closure'. I agree about the use of it as a state to aim at being bad, but I see enlightenment as a path, you become gradually more enlightened as you go through the life experiences Reflect describes.

I like enlightenment as a term because it invokes the Light metaphor, so it reminds me of Flashes of inspiration, the Dawning of understanding, an Illuminating epiphany, Shining truth etc. The association of Light and Knowledge/Understanding is traditional (the Hermit in the Tarot has a lantern for example). Also because I have a strong Bhuddist bias and they use it all the time.

Life is the process of enlightenment, it's not a binary have it/don't have it distinction IMO but more a matter of how enlightened you feel. What I object to (whatever term is used) is the 'more enlightened than thou' attitude, as Reflect says, self righteous exclusivity is a sign that someone is living in the dark.
 
 
Rev. Wright
14:31 / 12.06.03
Extracted from Liber Kaos by Peter J Carroll

Transcendental philosophies are basically religious and manifest in a spectrum stretching from the fringes of primitive spiritism through pagan polytheism to the monotheism of the Judaeo-Christian- Islamic traditions and the theoretical non-theistic systems of Buddhism and Taoism. In each case it is believed that some form of consciousness or spirit created and maintains the universe and that humans, other living organisms, contain some fragment of this consciousness or spirit which underlies the veil or illusion of matter. The essence of Transcendentalism is belief in spiritual beings greater than oneself or states of spiritual being superior to that which currently one enjoys. Earthly life is frequently seen merely as a form of dialoque between oneself and one's deity or deities, or perhaps some impersonal form of higher force. The material world is a theatre for the spirit or soul or consciousness that created it. Spirit is the ultimate reality to the transcendentalist.

In the Materialist paradigm the universe is believed to consist fundamentally and entirely of matter. Energy is but a form of matter and together they subtend space and time within which all change occurs strictly on the basis of cause and effect. Human behaviour is reducible to biology, biology is reducible to chemistry, chemistry is reducible to physics and physics is reducible to mathematics. Mind and consciousness are thus merely electrochemical events in the brain and spirit is a word without objective content. The causes of some events are likely to remain obscure perhaps indefinitely, but there is an underlying faith that sufficient material cause must exist for any event. All human acts can be categorized as serving some biological need or as expressions of previously applied conditioning or merely as malfunction. The goal of materialist who eschews suicide is the pursuit of personal satisfaction including altruistic satisfactions if desired.

The main difficulty in recognizing and describing the pure Magical Paradigm is that of insufficient vocabulary. Magical philosophy is only recently recovering from a heavy adulteration with transcendental theory. The word aether will be used to describe the fundamental reality of the magical paradigm. It is more or less equivalent to the idea of Mana used in oceanic shamanism. Aether in materialistic descriptions is information which structures matter and which all matter is capable of emitting and receiving. In transcendental terms aether is a sort of "life force" present in some degree in all things. It carries both knowledge about events and the ability to influence similar or sympathetic events. Events either arise sponataneously out of themselves or are encouraged to follow certain paths by influence of patterns in the aether. As all things have an aetheric part they can be considered to be alive in some sense. Thus all things happen by magic, the large scale features of the universe have a very strong aetheric pattern which makes them fairly predictable but difficult to influence by the aetheric patterns created by thought. Magicians see themselves as participating in nature. Transcendentalists like to think they are somehow above it. Materialists like to try and manipulate it.

 
 
cusm
16:41 / 12.06.03
In each case it is believed that some form of consciousness or spirit created and maintains the universe

Spirit giving rise to matter, which is ultimately an illusion. The materialist inverse being Matter giving rise to an illusion of spirit. The third alternative being that both are an intrinscic part of the other, that neither is above the other, and each are dependent upon the other for survival. Thus the only illusion is the idea of one side of this duality being more important than the other, or that there is a duality at all.

I do love Carroll, but my he can be wordy at times.
 
 
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04:10 / 13.06.03
especially with all that math nonsense.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
23:33 / 13.06.03
You know, I've noticed I'm really bad at saying what I mean.

I've thought about starting a websight that would publish works and recountings of rituals like a science journal publishes the results of experiments, would anyone be interested in that, if so then I'll look into it.
Hermes, that would be really cool.

we might as well try and understand the systems we've got
Personally, I don’t really want to understand it. I don’t understand how microprocessors and telephone wires allow me to send this message around the world, but they do. I just accept that it works and use magic as I need to.

I care about enlightenment, and in fact I don't see how anyone can use magic and not
This and all the other comments about caring about enlightenment: Sorry, I wrote that poorly. What I meant was that many people don’t care at all, which is what it is. I know my zen studying is bleeding through a bet, but you can’t teach people to become enlightened. People are already enlightened, they’re just asleep. Enlightenment is waking up. But not everyone wants to wake up, and I personally am against forcing it down their throats. I meant that if people don’t want it, don’t give it to them (not that we can give it to them anyway). Maybe my interpretation on what Cusm said was bad. I was really tried, and on rereading it, I don’t know how I got what I originally got from it. We don’t need messiahs, though, that’s for sure. If you need one, be it yourself. Become your own personal Jesus Christ. And then see what happens.
However, everything is magick, to me at least. Magic is about changing things, and everything is always changing, so everything is magick. If you want enlightenment or awakening or what ever, go for it. If not, don’t. Just live your life and enjoy it.
 
 
Quantum
13:44 / 16.06.03
"Enlightenment is waking up."
So true!
"But not everyone wants to wake up, and I personally am against forcing it down their throats"
Agreed
"Just live your life and enjoy it."
Absolutely

We don’t need messiahs, though, that’s for sure.
I don't agree. Some people want to be saved by someone else, and if that's their choice then let them. Also some people's magical paths are about humility and service of others, let them do that. If someone's got something valuable to tell the world I don't mind them telling me, even if I think they're wrong.
Sometimes the world needs shaking up out of it's stupour, not to force awakening on people but to give them the opportunity to wake themselves up.

If you need one, be it yourself. Become your own personal Jesus Christ. And then see what happens.
Sound advice, but not for everybody. Look at David Icke...
 
 
C.Elseware
14:23 / 16.06.03

I've thought about starting a websight that would publish works and recountings of rituals like a science journal publishes the results of experiments, would anyone be interested in that, if so then I'll look into it.
Hermes, that would be really cool.


I've been toying with an idea based on the work Quntum, cusm, myself and others have been doing (c.f. Hypersigil wiki thread) and also my PhD research into Scholarly Communication (how researchers get stuff from one of their brains to another, and also how they filter it).

I keep coming back to the idea of something which I could best term a communal wiki-of-shadows. A hypertext encylopedia which could be added and changed and indexed by anyone who cares.

Genesis P. may have used cassettes but the communication landscape has already changed again since he said that.

Also part of me thinks it's a very bad idea. But I usually feel that way about getting up in the morning so, hey.

Maybe you could take it further, and have private/public blog functions etc. for magickal diaries, which can be cross referenced with the things they refer to, so you could, for example, read peoples postings which refer to "Four of Cups" etc.

Hmmm. If there's any interest in the subject I'll start a thread.
 
 
Spyder Todd 2008
23:02 / 16.06.03
I think the problem that comes from a messiah type figure is that people start stupidly following them. For example, the movie "Life of Brian". A funny movie, yes, but it makes some good points about mobs and messiahs. Also, look at the last 17 hundred years of christianity and the hypocrisy that it has left. Messiahs are fine as long as the people who follow them aren't stupid. The problem is, that the bigger a group of people are, the stupider they collectively get.
 
 
Quantum
09:38 / 17.06.03
Spyder- true! Stupidity breeds in large groups, like a virus.
Elseware- wiki-of-shadows-patrol-go! start that thread, g'wan
 
 
arachnephorm23
12:52 / 26.06.03
Of course, people can experiment with whatever 'current' they want, who cares at the end of the day? Some of the old currents/archetypes some people can't get to grips with. The cartoon archetype-system, if anything radicalizes the whole concept. Bloody hillarious!!! The aeon of Bugs Bunny hath arrived!!!! At the end of the day, however you can obtain gnosis, "fake it 'til you make it!", blah..... People should stop conforming to the status-quo of all this stuffy psudo-intellectualism. Ha ha (LOL)!!! What really matters is obtaining a more direct experience of our internal & external relities. So next time you watch the Valium TV get impressed with the blatant mythos of "Battle of The Planets" and start doing the Keyops invocation and make sure yer pantacles point the rite way!!!!! Swamp Thing as the Green Man, tee hee..... Loadsa peopla accept the Lovecraftian Mythos, so do what thou wilt...... I expect some guru will launch a new paradigm for us all to blindly follow - No Gods, No Masters..... Paradigms, available at your local belief-system commodity supermarket, they've sadly turned into spectres of The Spectacle. Let's face it folks, good cottage-industry turnover what with copies of books that have ran out of print, going for £200 ( "The Voudoun Gnostic Workbook") - most of us can't afford shite like that!!!
Steal you archetypes from TV, books, whatever,etc... because your childhood imprinting was part of your Kia. How many of you can visualise what an Old God/Goddess looks like when you've seen such archetypes through TVs & films - look at Dr.Who or Tomorrow's People, something that showed us a little bit of a Gnostic Terror???? Food for Thought..........
 
 
arachnephorm23
13:11 / 26.06.03
LET'S ALL COLLATE ALL OUR NEW PARADIGMS TOGETHER AND COMPILE A HUGE BOOK AND RETAIL IT IN LTD.EDITION AND SELL IT FOR £666 (AND THE NEXT ONE FOR £156!!!!!!!!
 
  

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