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Books and sites on Emergence

 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
07:02 / 19.05.03
Anyone got any recommendations? I'm just such a fan of Slime Mold these days. And is there a counter-current? Does anyone think emergence is a just this year's scientific 'new black', shortly to be replaced by 'informational spontaneity' or 'quantum spaghetti alignment'?
 
 
Lurid Archive
07:21 / 19.05.03
Emergence? I don't think I even know what it is. Emergence as in emergent properties to do with intelligence and consciousness? Or emergent order in chaos theory?
 
 
Lurid Archive
07:26 / 19.05.03
Or are you thinking of (Wolfram's use of) cellular automata which produce complex patterns from simple rules?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
11:38 / 19.05.03
All of the above.
 
 
Lurid Archive
11:50 / 19.05.03
They are quite different concepts, Nick.

For the first go for relevant philosophy, neurobiology, AI and evolutionary psychology, perhaps. FWIW, Pinker's How the mind works, might offer a good mix of ideas.

For the second, chaos theory (although this might be frustrating, given the way you are asking the question) - other people can probably reccommend books here.

For the third, Wolfram's book, A New kind of science, IIRC.
 
 
Quantum
13:10 / 19.05.03
I heard/read that the concept of emergent properties (philosophically) had been recently discredited but it could have been misinformation...
 
 
Panic
16:00 / 19.05.03
Can I just say that "quantum spaghetti alignment" is the most groundbreaking concept of the 21st century?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
16:34 / 19.05.03
Lurid: I'm not sure about that - or rather, they may be from separate disciplines, but there seems to be a relationship. See 'Emergence' and 'Small World'.

I haven't looked at 'Tipping Point' yet.

I'm also seeing some parallels with Kuhn, which might in turn lead me to Wilson's 'Consilience'. I've also go to revisit Gleick's Chaos.

Further links to get things going:

Wired

Emergence.org - some kind of social science and management journal I have yet to peruse

Irrational Software

Amazon linkpage which collects various tomes of similar nature.

Anyone got anything helpful on this?
 
 
Salamander
17:34 / 19.05.03
I've been thinking about a HOLON concept I read on another post, can't remember which, but say the universe is made up of HOLONs that are like the cellular autonamies of that little program. They not only reflect the whole in the parts, but microcosmic developements would depend on interations going on between positionally related HOLONs, each iteration cycling back to some macrocosmic pattern which allows for randomality and causality without violating freechoice. That might fit in with the chaos theory, or it may be just thread rot
 
 
—| x |—
20:49 / 19.05.03
Aren't HOLONs Wilber's concept?
 
 
—| x |—
21:38 / 19.05.03
Less of source recommendations and more of thoughts on the subject:

I think emergence is an interesting concept, but it seems to me that it does emerge (h’yuck-yuck) from our typical ways of ordering spatial, but more importantly, temporal phenomena. The Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy identifies two types of emergence:

1) explanatory emergence: the laws of more complex situations of a system are not deducible by way of any composition laws or laws of coexistence from the laws of the simpler or simplest situation(s).

2) descriptive emergence: the thesis that there are properties of “wholes” (or more complex situations) that cannot be defined through the properties of the parts (or simpler situations).

I myself an more interested in the second type of emergence than the first. It seems that we could have the first type of emergence without the second, but not vice-versa. Now to get back to what I was initially saying: with regard to the second type of emergence, the idea is totally dependent upon a foundation of linear time. For example, at t0 we have some system containing some number of atomic bits. As time progresses the relationships amongst those bits give rise to the occurrence of new properties that were not present at t0, but only emerged from the interactions of the atomics over time. Thus, at some future time, we recognize new properties beyond those that were initially present in the atomics. However, if we annul time and examine the system as a four-dimensional structure (where we are taking the fourth dimension to be the system’s extension in time—its “word line”), then there is no emergence whatsoever, but only the entirety of the properties of the system as they are present over the whole of the system’s existence. Put differently, the system becomes the atomic.

I think that emergence is a topic in metaphysical philosophies that are framed within the context of atomics as dispositions. New properties can emerge from the composition of existing dispositions such that none of the dispositions possessed the property previous to their partnering. The emergent property was in no way predictable or recognizable from what was present in the initial dispositions, but it is through their partnering (composition) that the property comes into being. Again, there is something to this, but only as it is tracked over time in a linear fashion. Taken as a singular structure, any complex dispositional system will necessarily have the properties it does and the phenomena of emergence vanishes without reference to dispositional interactions over time.

Can I ask what it is that you are thinking about, Nick? What’s your modus operandi here?
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
22:03 / 19.05.03
I started looking at 'small worlds' theory - the so-called 'six degrees of separation'. Now I've been drawn into emergence. There are several applications of the idea which I'm interested in, but I don't yet know enough to set limits to the inquiry. Since they're either speculative and theoretical, in which case I'd rather not sink them into Barbelith's acid-bath of criticism yet, or creative, in which case I'm going to make money from them... I'm unwilling to be too specific.
 
 
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23:44 / 19.05.03
Ah, so a little hush-hush that can ney be avoided, hmm?

Ya' know there were a couple threads in the Headshop about related topics last year:

Tipping Point

Six Small Degrees

Hey-Zeus—back in the day when I was still only modfive!
 
  
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