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Drug Testing in schools doesn't work

 
 
Salamander
13:00 / 17.05.03
This means that drug testing in schools now only violates rights and demeans the underage, comments?
 
 
sleazenation
17:25 / 17.05.03
ummm - that link doesn't work - can you post the url?
 
 
Outlaw
19:41 / 17.05.03
So what, the rest of the eductation system screws up the kids so much it realy doesnt matter if the drug testing does anything. The schools are prisons, which is why we see the occasional prison riot where the kids kill eachother.

Outlaw
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:47 / 17.05.03
Story here.

(Should work, but it's a long link and they tend to be a bit dicey.)

From the article...


The United States Supreme Court has twice empowered schools to test for drugs first among student athletes in 1995, then for those in other extracurricular activities last year. Both times, it cited the role that screening plays in combating substance abuse as a rationale for impinging on whatever privacy rights students might have.


But the new federally financed study of 76,000 students nationwide, by far the largest to date, found that drug use is just as common in schools with testing as in those without it.


Kell surpreez. Not.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
20:38 / 17.05.03
This is nothing really new. Actually this seems to be part of a trend of decreased civil liberties (and yes also out in the rest of the US but we're talking schools) for students in schools. This has especially taken off post-Colombine.
 
 
gingerbop
13:08 / 18.05.03
They once threatened random testing within our year, after catchin some kids with a few Js round th back of the leisure centre. Everyone kacked thenselves. No-one stopped doing whatever they were doing tho.
 
 
Salamander
14:57 / 18.05.03
Yes sorry about the link, the URL was dicey. I wondering about the affect lower civil liberties is having on these kids, they are becoming habituated toward not having rights, that disturbs me.
 
 
Jrod
18:26 / 18.05.03
Indeed. Let's face it, if a kid doesn't mind supplying a cup of his/her own piss, on demand at random intervals, just to play basketball, then that kid's gonna piss for any authority figure who demands it.

"Want to keep your job? Piss here, please. Would you like a driver's license? Here's the cup, bathroom's down the hall on the right. Bruno here will accompany you so he can stare intently at your genitals as you urinate. We can't be too careful, you know. Say, do you need food stamps? We have to chemically examine your pee, just routine procedure. You don't have anything to hide, do you?"

Let's not forget that these tests aren't particularly accurate. Most are about 90-95% accurate, if memory serves. Even a hardcore straight-edger could produce a false positive, but a bigger problem (from the tester's POV, anyway) lies with positives caused by legal foodstuff, like poppy seeds or hemp-oil. If memory serves again, the U.S. military solved that little problem by prohibiting the foods that caused the false positives, which is just the sort of bass-ackwards thing us Americans have come to expect from our gov't. This solution wouldn't work in schools, however... most likely a school will just pretend false positives don't happen. Hopefully there's a high school student or parent here who can elaborate on the actual process.

Chances are that many kids avoid the whole testing issue the same way I did, by simply not participating in extra-curriculars.

Here's another thought: don't all these "hyperactive" kids test positive for amphetamines? Ritalin and Adderol and the like are just fancy names for speed, after all. Of course, a school would know if a kid was prescribed to ritalin, so they'd allow that kid on the forensics team despite his/her daily amphetamine use.

Meanwhile, the kid who ate a poppy-seed bagel is offered a choice: enroll in an expensive, mind-rotting "treatment" program, or get expelled! Ah well, some sacrifices must be made to ensure that the marching band isn't smoking devil weed in their spare time.

Granted, the above scenario may only happen rarely, but that's still more than enough to make me sick! Beside that, forcing anyone to piss in a cup is simply degrading... like thay say, it's what's inside that counts - what's inside your bladder, that is...
 
 
Outlaw
03:03 / 19.05.03
This may need to become a thread of its own, I leave that decision to the powers that be, or are...

Drug testing is a symptom of a greater ill in our society. The elimination of personal responcibility. People dont want to think they are responcible for something as complex as their own actions, so the abdicate that responcibility. Drug testing is one of the many stops along that road.

Instead of simply dealing with the harmfull actions that someone may possible do while on various chemicals we demand they prove they are not on such chemicals before they are allowed to participate in something that COULD be bad if they were on those chemicals.

Ok, not a record for a run on sentance, but close.

Of course, this does demonstrate another problem in our culture. Sports are as important as flying passenger jets to our society since we piss test both groups.

Talk about your out of wack priorities.

Outlaw
 
 
Jrod
08:32 / 20.05.03
Outlaw said:
People dont want to think they are responcible for something as complex as their own actions, so the abdicate that responcibility. Drug testing is one of the many stops along that road.

That's absolutely correct. Personal responsibility has almost become a joke, at least here in the U.S. Of course, our gov't is more than happy to take any responsibility the population doesn't want. In some cases, this really isn't a bad thing: public education and socialized heath care, for a few opinionated examples. Even harm from substance abuse could be greatly reduced through gov't action, but not by arresting and punishing users in their thousands.

In the end, this is why drug testing doesn't work. Everyone taking a test knows that they will be punished severely in some way if they fail. In most cases (but certainly not ALL), a person's drug use won't interfere with school or work, making the whole process rather arbitrary. This is why there's a big business in helping people cheat on these tests, and thank god for that!

Then Outlaw said:
Of course, this does demonstrate another problem in our culture. Sports are as important as flying passenger jets to our society since we piss test both groups.

Heh. Then again, atheletes are also tested for performance enhancing drugs, in interest of keeping things "fair". And it's really not fair for a high school QB to face a defensive line of 'roid raging giants.

Once they become pros, however...
 
  
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